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freeindeed
Reg. Jul 2007
Posted 2008-04-13 7:52 PM (#81829)
Subject: Horse pulling back


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We have an eight year old QH mare that occasionally pulls back when tied-she did it yesterday and managed to shift the 6x6 post (in concrete) because of soft ground around it. Needless to say this behavior is scary to all involved-and worse, afterwards yesterday she also pulled back when I asked her to back up while leading her. The person we got her from warned us about this behavior (as an "afterthought" while we were loading her to bring her home)-said she broke a porch rail she was tied to and got smacked in the chest with it and never wanted to tie after that. Her pulling back usually happens after she gets a spooky look in her eye, sometimes if I tell her "Quit!" in a firm no nonsense voice she settles-but yesterday she gave it everything she had, all 1100 lbs. of her-to break loose-I am surprised my heavy duty bungee tie held. I got behind her and whacked her in the butt about three times with a crop after telling her to "Quit!!" and she finally stopped, then I said "forward" (she knows the command for the trailer) and she stepped forward and I praised her. Then I tried to act "normal" while shaking like a leaf! I am at wits end as to what to do for her-we need her to be able to tie as my daughter is starting to show her some and I go on occasional group trail rides with her. Any suggestions?
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kershawsowner
Reg. Jan 2006
Posted 2008-04-13 9:26 PM (#81836 - in reply to #81829)
Subject: RE: Horse pulling back


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i am by no means a trainer but we also have a horse that use to pull back.. he was 3 when we bought him we tied a old tire to a tree and then tied him to the tire he did pull back put the tire gets very heavy and he finally gives up  he did this about 4 or 5 times and has not pulled back in a yr and half... it is very scary to watch  i think if he ever broke loose once when he was pulling back he may of been harder to deal with..  good luck
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Beth
Reg. Apr 2004
Posted 2008-04-13 9:49 PM (#81837 - in reply to #81829)
Subject: RE: Horse pulling back


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Hey, that tire trick sounds pretty smart! I will remember that one!  I would use that technique AND put a rope halter on the horse with a stout tie rope and double up on the bolt snap or whatever hardware is used to make sure the horse does not get loose or get hurt.
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lesliemal
Reg. Sep 2007
Posted 2008-04-13 10:24 PM (#81841 - in reply to #81829)
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I had a horse that pulled back. He broke more things than I can even describe. It is scary and dangerous. I was unable to help him learn to tie safely. I was new to horses then and we were not a good fit. I kept him two years and eventuallly had to admit defeat. I created more problems than I solved. I sold him to a much more experienced horse person. I have always thought that it would be good to teach a horse that does not tie well to stand hobbled. Maybe that would be a good solution for you since the mare has scary memories being tied. Just a thought.
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genebob
Reg. Nov 2007
Posted 2008-04-14 12:05 AM (#81851 - in reply to #81829)
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The tire method does work. You can also use an innertube. Just walk away and don't watch. I've used it on my yearlings so they respect the rope. I had a gelding that would pull if something spooked him Could just be me walking around the corner of the trailer or a noise. I bought a rope halter with the knots on the pole, much like the one Clinton Anderson sells now, only made of parachute cord. Nice and thin. Always tied him up short so he couldn't put any weight into it. Seemed to work also.
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Angelmay84
Reg. Jan 2008
Posted 2008-04-14 8:48 AM (#81865 - in reply to #81829)
Subject: RE: Horse pulling back


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I think that if a horse is pulling because of fear, try using one of those tie rings. I believe Clinton Anderson did a whole segment on one with a puller.  He purposely tried to spook the horse to make him pull back.  The more he did it with the tie ring, the less chlostrophobic the horse got because he knew he wasn't going to "hit" the end of the rope and get scared.  By the end of the segment the horse was much improved. The tie ring will allow some slack to pull through, but not for the horse to escape.  If a horse is pulling out of spite or frustration of being tied, then by all means go for a rope halter and a tire.  Ed (my hard to load QH who just keeps showing more issues that I didn't know about when I bought him) also pulls back and for no good reason.  He learned that he can get away. It's embarrassing and he breaks expensive halters.  He's getting the rope halter treatment because he knows better and he knows how to give to pressure.  If the horse has no idea how to give to pressure at the poll, no matter what halter you use, you're asking for trouble, and possibly an injured horse.  One way to work with that is to put a halter on your horse.  Take your leadrope and drape it over the horse's head.  Jerk down on the lead. What happens?  The horse will likely raise his head and pull.  That's what would happen if the horse was farting around and got the lead over his head.  Start applying poll pressure, and when the horse drops his head even a little, release.  Then repeat.  Before long you can do the leadrope over the head simulation and when you pull, his head goes down instead of up.   It could save you from some wrecks.

Amanda

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mygollygirl
Reg. Apr 2007
Posted 2008-04-14 10:19 PM (#81932 - in reply to #81829)
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Yes, Clinton Anderson did a great segment on this.  Not a follower but happend to see it on RFDTV.  My big guy used to be a puller for both fear & just because he was tired of being tied.  I bought "The Clip" (same idea as the tie ring that C.A. used) and I only use rope halters.  Long story short, a few sessions using some of the ideas that C.A. shared, The Clip, a rope halter & 22' line... no more pulling [knock on wood].  Good luck!!!

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freeindeed
Reg. Jul 2007
Posted 2008-04-15 6:25 AM (#81943 - in reply to #81829)
Subject: RE: Horse pulling back


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Thanks for all the input-I definitely think it is a fear issue for this horse-I did tie her once with a leather halter which broke immediately when she pulled back and she was much calmer than she usually is after a pulling back episode. I have seen young horses trained to tie with the innertube method-it seems to work well for the young ones who have not had a bad experience with tying, but I have been hesitant to try it for this mare-"gut instinct" tells me it probably wouldn't work for her-although it would probably be less traumatic than straight tying to a post. I am going to check out the Clinton Anderson method-I guess it is some type of special gadget you have to use for the rest of that particular horse's life? I am concerned that if she learns the tie should give, and one time it doesn't (tied normally), she will go right back to pulling. She throws her head up in fear at any poll pressure-I am going to start working with her gradually on this-I guess this will be our summer "goal"-maybe by Sept. we can tie her with the Clinton Anderson method and have her giving to poll pressure. She is a good horse in other respects-very smart but a little on the spooky side although I know she has not been mistreated (unless it happened prior to the age of 9 months, I know her two previous owners)-I guess the word for her behavior is "cautious". If necessary we will just continue to work around her inablity to tie-but I wish we didn't have to.
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heritagelanefarm
Reg. Jul 2006
Posted 2008-04-15 8:47 AM (#81959 - in reply to #81943)
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I routinely tie one of my horses with the clip. He seldom pulls back anymore, and when he does, it is no big deal. The tire and tree....my neighbor did that with a yearling......24 stitches in the front leg by rearing and hitting the tree.

Brenda

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flyinghfarm
Reg. Mar 2004
Posted 2008-04-15 10:42 AM (#81976 - in reply to #81829)
Subject: RE: Horse pulling back


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Out here in the old school world (!), we suspend a tie with inner tube from a stout living limb about 15' out from the tree.  The innertube in not left like a life preserver with an opening, but rather tied in about three places around so it is like a thick rope.  The horse is tied where he can relax with his head at a normal standing position.  When he pulls back, the tie has some give and the limb has some give, and it is hard for him to get  the full benefit of his power to pull straight back.  If he leaps forward there is nothing to hit, not being tied to the tree truck directly.  I always have a knife on me should a cut loose be needed, but this method is very useful for this type of horse, and I have yet to cut one loose from this method, altho a couple have flopped down....for a minute but they get up and think better of it then.  As always, your mileage may vary....
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TPenning
Reg. Feb 2008
Posted 2008-04-15 6:41 PM (#82023 - in reply to #81829)
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Try that Clinton Anderson clip, ring, whatever it's called, for tying horses.  I think it's less than $20 to buy one.  I had a horse that pulled back as well, and it was like he went back, and a hair second before he settled down, he would hit the end of the rope, and then he'd start fighting.  Had him literally hanging upside down in a tie stall once and had to cut him free.  I was about to buy one of the those rings because it seemed like it would give slack right at the moment this guy needed it, but I ended up selling him instead.  I told the owners all about the problem and they went out and bought the ring themselves, and they have never mentioned having a problem with him while using it.  We do keep in touch, so I'm sure I would have heard about it.

Also, I used a rope halter because I didn't want him breaking free, but be prepared to see your horse lose a lot of skin when he starts fighting it.  Make sure you tie it properly, or you'll be cutting it off when the knots tighten.  Tied properly, the knots will come loose again with a little work, tied improperly, it's just garbage.

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freeindeed
Reg. Jul 2007
Posted 2008-04-17 8:14 AM (#82163 - in reply to #81829)
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I think I'm going to order the whole Clinton Anderson horse pulling back package (with DVD)-also checked out the John Lyons one-I am going to keep working with this horse on this problem-just like people, every horse has its "quirks", and overall she is a very sensible mare and a good trail horse. I did buy a rope or "cowboy" halter but I have not tried it yet-the rope burn issue being my main concern plus all those complicated knots to figure out! If I thought her problem was attitude or stubborness related I would try the tire or innertube method-but she will actually stand fairly calmly (though a little tense) until something (fly spray, someone in her face over the fence, something like that) spooks her and then she panics. And I don't know who invented the panic snap, but it hasn't worked yet for us-I can't get to it due to the flying hooves and it doesn't give on its own! Thanks again to everyone for your advice and information.
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wendmil
Reg. Aug 2006
Posted 2008-04-19 10:07 AM (#82272 - in reply to #81829)
Subject: RE: Horse pulling back


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I found that I had "accidentally"  taught my yearling to tie using Clinton Anderson's technique.  I have mesquite trees on my property and some of the larger ones have nice heavy branches that grow out from the tree about chest to withers height.  They made a nice hitching post.  I was afraid to tie my guy so I just wrapped the rope (a heavy cotton one) around it 2 or 3 times and snugged it down.  The friction from the rough bark on the cotton put just enough tension that he didn't free himself easily (actually, he never pulled much, just enough to see that he wasn't "caught".... that will make more sense when you watch Clinton's video).  A few weeks later (when I felt comfortable that he was comfortable with being tied) I actually tied him and left him for an hour and a half.  No problem.  Of course the usual safety issues: make sure there's no pokey little branches to hurt eyes when he goes barreling forward after the pull, do it in a secured area in case they get free, knife handy....

Also, loved CA's teaching about teaching a horse to "lead by the foot".  They learn not to pull if their feet get caught.  Have a friend whose horse was taught this and got caught in barbed wire.  Stood for several hours until they came to get him out.  Just small scratches.

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whoaboy
Reg. Aug 2007
Posted 2008-05-07 8:58 AM (#83359 - in reply to #81829)
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I have a horse that pulls back when tied, found out it wasn't a tie problem at all but rather that he is cinchy. He will stand tied all day long just fine as long as there is no saddle on his back. You might try an experiment to see if this has anything to do with it. If I got him off the post fast enough, he would not pull back so I did not even know he had this problem for several months. I can watch him and he starts to spread out and move his feet a bit, adjust his position and then if you don't get him untied look out!  I second the use of the blocker tie ring or the Leader Lead rope which also has give in it. By the way, my horse is fine after he has been ridden for a while, then you can bring him back, tie him up with saddle on and no pull back. Just doesn't know what to do with the initial pressure of the cinch and even leaving the cinch very very loose does not help!
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freeindeed
Reg. Jul 2007
Posted 2008-05-07 8:32 PM (#83458 - in reply to #83359)
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This particular horse pulls back due to fear-I believe-she does not have to have a saddle on for it to happen. It appears that she just gets a "spooky thought" and then the more she thinks about it (fly spray, someone drops a brush accidentally, someone leans over the fence in front of her) the more scared she gets until she just can't take it anymore (about 30 seconds elapses) and she pulls back. I have started feeding her at the normal tying post and she does better-I groom her while she eats. I also take the feeder away if she won't stand for the fly spray, and guess what? Magic! She stands for the fly spray now most of the time-food or no food. I think a degree in horse psychology would be very helpful with this mare. Unfortunately I do not have one! Thanks for the suggestion though-sounds like your horse's issue is definitely cinch related.
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