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Teri
Reg. Sep 2007
Posted 2007-10-01 10:41 AM (#68660)
Subject: flipping leaf springs?


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I had someone come to purchase my old trailer Saturday, and once he looked at it, decided that it was too low for him to pull. He has a Dodge duelly 1 ton with 4X4. It set way up high - and I agreed. But I did mention that some people flip the leaf(?) springs to set it up higher, which my friend purchased one just recently that has already been done, because their truck was set up high. Is this a good thing or bad thing? I'm not sure if he'll find a used older trailer that will set up high enough for that big a truck...
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M Zap
Reg. Sep 2007
Posted 2007-10-01 11:46 AM (#68662 - in reply to #68660)
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It is easy to do, and you'll notice many RV trailers going down the road with it done. Fords and Dodges will require it with older gooseneck trailers. But there will be a huge gap between the top of the tire and the bottom edge of the fender which is unsightly and can catch a halter, foot,etc...

There are  ranchers in the west that flip the axles as they are constantly driving through creek bottoms and they don't want to drag the rear end when loaded.

If they want to keep the trailer and there is no way to adjust/modify the hitch, the only option is to flip the axles.

 

 

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PaulChristenson
Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2007-10-01 11:48 AM (#68663 - in reply to #68660)
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Originally written by Teri on 2007-10-01 11:41 AM

I had someone come to purchase my old trailer Saturday, and once he looked at it, decided that it was too low for him to pull. He has a Dodge duelly 1 ton with 4X4. It set way up high - and I agreed. But I did mention that some people flip the leaf(?) springs to set it up higher, which my friend purchased one just recently that has already been done, because their truck was set up high. Is this a good thing or bad thing? I'm not sure if he'll find a used older trailer that will set up high enough for that big a truck...

I assume this is a bumper pull??

Lower the BALL...don't raise the trailer...

He wants to buy a WD hitch assembly with the following shank...

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Description: Wt.-Dist. Shank, 14,000 lbs. (GTW), 1,400 lbs. (TW), 11" Length, Extra Drop (Use in Drop position Only)

 

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HWBar
Reg. Nov 2005
Posted 2007-10-01 11:58 AM (#68666 - in reply to #68660)
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They are talking about a gooseneck, and a leaf spring setup. Dodge has lost more than one customer about the height issues. I sold my 2004 CC Dually 4x4 for that very reason.

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Teri
Reg. Sep 2007
Posted 2007-10-01 2:54 PM (#68673 - in reply to #68660)
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Yes, it is a gooseneck. My "neck" does have an adjustment of some kind (never had to use it) to lower or raise the trailer, but he assumed that it would not raise it enough.
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PaulChristenson
Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2007-10-01 8:11 PM (#68697 - in reply to #68660)
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Geez...what's the height from the ground to the top of the pickup siderails on these Dodges???
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Terri
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2007-10-01 10:26 PM (#68710 - in reply to #68697)
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To high.  In order to have my trailer level my 03 dodge bed rails were only 4 inches from the trailer.  I came very close to hitting several times.   Traded it for an 02 and now have almost 8 inches of clearance.
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Hank
Reg. Sep 2007
Posted 2007-10-02 8:50 AM (#68727 - in reply to #68710)
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Yep, Dodges are too high.  Mine is an 02 2500 Ram 4wd with nifty stainless steel tubes mounted on the rails.  I've removed the rails, dropped the trailer to 5-1/2" inches from the tailgate to the gn frame, and I'm still too high on the trailer.  My next option is to get an offset gn ball to move the pivot point back.  I've not hit the rails or tailgate yet, but have come close.  I don't have springs on my trailer, but have heard you can raise the trailer at the axles, just not sure how to. 
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Hank
Reg. Sep 2007
Posted 2007-10-02 8:54 AM (#68728 - in reply to #68697)
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Originally written by PaulChristenson on 2007-10-01 8:11 PM

Geez...what's the height from the ground to the top of the pickup siderails on these Dodges???
Mine, before removing the Stainless bed tubes, was about 60~62 inches to the top of the rails.  Removing the rails took it down by almost 4".
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Teri
Reg. Sep 2007
Posted 2007-10-02 5:06 PM (#68745 - in reply to #68660)
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Thank you so much, but I still need to know...is flipping the springs a good thing or bad thing? Anybody??

My friend just bought a trailer that has the... whatever they're called... already flipped, making it very tall, which she really doesn't need. Should she flip them back over, does it cause weight stress, etc?

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PaulChristenson
Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2007-10-02 5:38 PM (#68746 - in reply to #68660)
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flipping RV Trailer Axle image

There is a change in the geometry of the trailer with increased lateral load vectors...probably not a problem, but what did the trailer manufacturer tell you about flipping them?

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AbbyB
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Posted 2007-10-02 9:25 PM (#68755 - in reply to #68660)
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I bought an older, used 2H GN when I was living in AZ.   It was too low for the F350 I had then, so the trailer dealership did the flip for me.  It worked fine, Teri.  The only downside was that it was a pretty high step in for the horses, but all did fine in it.  The dealership told me back then that it wouldn't cause any problems doing that. 
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Buckskinlover
Reg. Aug 2007
Posted 2007-10-06 9:21 PM (#68911 - in reply to #68660)
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Ok now I have a question ;) The Hart GN trailer we just bought doesn't sit/ride perfectly level when hooked up to the truck. It has a slight incline. We too have a Dodge 1 ton 4X4. We can't lower the hitch anymore or it will hit the bed/tail gate of the truck.

Is there any harm in that?? For the horses?? Trailer?? What can you do about it if its a problem??

The horses ride in there just fine so far. But again hooked up the truck its not perfectly level.

 

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Terri
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2007-10-06 11:59 PM (#68916 - in reply to #68911)
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That depends on how much higher the front is.  If it is just a few inches it shouldn't matter. I've seen some ranchers when I was in Tx that had almost a foot difference between the front and back and the livestock was definately standing "up hill".  That trailer was hooked to a big 4x4 and the floor looked more like a ramp.

 

I think the biggest problem would be with overloading the rear axl/tire if there was to much slant.



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PaulChristenson
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Posted 2007-10-07 3:33 AM (#68917 - in reply to #68660)
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Teri's got it right...if your trailer is slanting backward...you are loading the rear axle...how much could only be determined with a portable axle scale like the DOT carries...
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Buckskinlover
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Posted 2007-10-07 9:03 PM (#68964 - in reply to #68660)
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Thanks. I don't think its that much of an incline to hurt the axles.
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PaulChristenson
Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2007-10-08 2:31 PM (#69013 - in reply to #68964)
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Well...its not a REAL big deal to adjust your GN tube...if this is the only vehicle that tows that trailer...but if you have multiple tow vehicles and this a compromise, then I understand why you will live with it...
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Buckskinlover
Reg. Aug 2007
Posted 2007-10-08 5:11 PM (#69019 - in reply to #68660)
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Well if you are talking about lowering the coupler or what even its called LOL we can't do that or the trailer will hit the bed of the truck. It is the only truck that pulls the trailer though ;)

 

So what other solutions are out there?? Because I looked at it again today and it does have more of a incline that I thought. So we don't know what to do now. Lift the trailer?? Or lower the truck??

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PaulChristenson
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Posted 2007-10-09 10:20 AM (#69051 - in reply to #69019)
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Originally written by Buckskinlover on 2007-10-08 6:11 PM

Well if you are talking about lowering the coupler or what even its called LOL we can't do that or the trailer will hit the bed of the truck. It is the only truck that pulls the trailer though ;)

 

So what other solutions are out there?? Because I looked at it again today and it does have more of a incline that I thought. So we don't know what to do now. Lift the trailer?? Or lower the truck??

If you don't need the pickup body...then a flatbed conversion is the real trick way to go...

http://www.bradfordbuilt.com/

http://www.hillsboroindustries.com/Products/AluminumTruckbeds.aspx

http://www.hillsboroindustries.com/Products/SteelTruckbeds.aspx

http://www.mheby.com/truck/index.php

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Terri
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2007-10-09 2:35 PM (#69076 - in reply to #69051)
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I would love to have one of those.  It would make it soooo much easier to hook up the chains and lock the coupler.
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gemm
Reg. Feb 2005
Posted 2007-10-11 12:18 AM (#69200 - in reply to #68660)
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When I got my '01 Dodge 4X4 it was way too high for my '92 Featherlite gooseneck. It made the trailer ride very uphill. I got a "lowering kit" installed from the Dodge dealer, and best of all, it was free. I don't know if they still do that, but it's worth a try. In the end, even the kit didn't make the trailer ride totally level, so I had the trailer raised by blocking the axels too....Had to pay for that one.
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Teri
Reg. Sep 2007
Posted 2007-10-12 9:53 PM (#69285 - in reply to #68660)
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This is neat -  I'm the one who started this "chat", and I did wind up selling my trailer this week.  So no more worries about "flipping the springs". He might have to adjust the gooseneck level, but that'll probably be it. But I did let him know about my Q and A session here, and he agreed that it could be an option. Wow - it felt so great to really know what I was talking about!!

BTW - they had to lift the gooseneck on my new Bison in order to make it level with the truck and high enough for the plumbing. I thought it was ironic that my truck (not a 4X4) was too low for my new trailer. Plus they actually offered to flip the axles or add blocks in order to get the plumbing further from the pavement, I'm assuming free of charge. That was nice, but we didn't have to.

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