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milliecat
Reg. Aug 2005
Posted 2006-02-20 5:58 AM (#37524)
Subject: surgery for enterolith


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Hi

My horse recently had emergency surgery to remove an enterolith. (about a 5lb calcium/mineral "rock" formed around twine)  Has anyone gone thru a similar (scary) experience?  Max seems to be doing well.  We are slowly transitioning him from a diet of mash and alfalfa mix hay.  In 2 weeks, he'll be back to normal diet.  Also, not riding him for 1 month, tho walking alot!

I'm still nervous!  This was a frightening experience and I hear rather rare.  Can I really expect a complete recovery, anything to be nervous about?  Max didn't have a colon resection, just a slit to lift out the "rock".  Of course, no insurance!!!

thanks

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MIfarmbabe
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2006-02-20 8:51 AM (#37527 - in reply to #37524)
Subject: RE: surgery for enterolith


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Your horse should recoop fine. Even though this was a major surgery, the fact that they didn't have to remove any intestine is good, less chance for infection and scarring issues down the road. Just keep to what your veterinary hospital directed you to do and take it slow with him. If your horse was in good health and condition before the surgery chances are he will recover quicker.

Which veterinary hospital did your horse's surgery?  Did they know going into the surgery that he had an entrolith? Did they let you keep his prize? LOL!

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milliecat
Reg. Aug 2005
Posted 2006-02-20 3:59 PM (#37557 - in reply to #37524)
Subject: RE: surgery for enterolith


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We took him down to Rood+Riddle in Lexington.  They were great and what a facility!!!

Actually, the surgeon didn't know going in.  He couldn't feel it on rectal exam (must have move up on the 3hr ride down).  However, at 6am the next day, he called me and said "we're going in!"

The rock is huge!  No wonder I was having trouble moving his hind quarters! I kept the rock for a week as show and tell, then gave it to my vet here to use in his vet talks!

ps- I'm selling shares in Max's future or private viewing of the rock...need to pay off that HUGE bill! 



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krys
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2006-02-20 7:29 PM (#37571 - in reply to #37524)
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About 16 years ago my gelding had surgery for a bladder stone. The stone was almost as big as a softball. They did the proceedure by laying him on his back and opening his underside and then his bladder to take it out. The other way was to blast it into tiny pieces and then hopefully getting all the little pieces out. But if you leave 1 little granual behind, it could grow into what we had. He went down the day before the sugery and since he was doing so good afterwards, we were able to take him home 7 days after the surgery. He was stalled day/night for a month, then could get out on short walks. Took 3-4 months before I could ride him. He healed just fine and never had another one. He was also on a strict diet to prevent another one up til about 6 years ago. Due to his age, I could no longer keep it that restrictive. He is still going strong and still goes trail riding and packs out elk at the young age of 29.

My vet wanted to keep the stone since he has never seen anything so big before. I told him for $400 he could keep it. He said No thanks. My total bill 16 years ago was about $2000 and worth every penny of it. And I still have the stone!



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Dunoir
Reg. Sep 2005
Posted 2006-02-21 11:50 AM (#37620 - in reply to #37524)
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can you share the diet restrictions are?  Fla is one of the areas I have heard that these stones can form and I've also read they think that certain breeds are more predisposed than other ones, though it was awhile ago that I read the article.
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krys
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2006-02-21 11:13 PM (#37657 - in reply to #37620)
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Originally written by Dunoir on 2006-02-21 8:50 AM

can you share the diet restrictions are?  Fla is one of the areas I have heard that these stones can form and I've also read they think that certain breeds are more predisposed than other ones, though it was awhile ago that I read the article.

Who are you talking to?

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Dunoir
Reg. Sep 2005
Posted 2006-02-22 7:18 AM (#37665 - in reply to #37524)
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you (Krys)  sorry I should have addressed you in the previous posting. I'm very interested to know what the diet restrictions are for this as I have known several horses in Fla that developed them.  Thanks
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krys
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2006-02-22 11:33 PM (#37703 - in reply to #37665)
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I had him on a diet of rolled oats, grass hay and pasture only. Corn and barley were also okay to give him. Vet told be to stay away from molasses and oils. No alfalfa. No limestone and phosphates. Try and find a salt block. I did find a place that could make them for me that was about 1 hour away from me and about 3 times the cost. Bladder stones are calcium deposits. You want your diet with as little or no calcium as possible. The longer you stay away from calcium, the better the chance of not developing another one increases. When Pryde started getting older, he needed more. He was on this strict diet for about 10 years after his surgery. Then I had no choice but to feed a senior horse what he needs. It's been almost 6 years and so far so good.

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Dunoir
Reg. Sep 2005
Posted 2006-02-23 7:24 AM (#37710 - in reply to #37524)
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thanks for the info and I turns out I am already pretty much followng that diet as I feed corn, oats, & barley, and grass hay.  I use the Dynamite free choice loose minerals, so he should be fine.  whew! glad to know this info.  Thanks again.
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hconley
Reg. Feb 2005
Posted 2006-02-24 2:46 PM (#37768 - in reply to #37524)
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I disagree with the no calcium, most compositions of stones are magnesium ammonium phosphate that form around foreign objects such as string, hair, metal, and swallowed stones. Most causes of stones is to high of a protien that keeps minerals from being absorbed in the intestines and they form on these foreign objects. In certain areas of the country (most reports out of California) high levels of magnesium will cause stones. Calcium is to importance to the body to be without, cell membranes, blood clotting, nerve impulses, muscle contractions. But high calcium levels will cause kidney failure.
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krys
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2006-02-24 10:44 PM (#37781 - in reply to #37768)
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Originally written by hconley on 2006-02-24 11:46 AM

I disagree with the no calcium, most compositions of stones are magnesium ammonium phosphate that form around foreign objects such as string, hair, metal, and swallowed stones. Most causes of stones is to high of a protien that keeps minerals from being absorbed in the intestines and they form on these foreign objects. In certain areas of the country (most reports out of California) high levels of magnesium will cause stones. Calcium is to importance to the body to be without, cell membranes, blood clotting, nerve impulses, muscle contractions. But high calcium levels will cause kidney failure.

Magnesium ammonium phosphate stones account for only 10-15% of all urinary tract stones. Most are calcium oxalate crystals, which is what my horse had in his bladder. With the size and how fast the stone grew and the diet he was on, the vet hospital told me that my horses chances of developing another one were very high. He told me to cut out or drastically lower the calcium in his diet. My vet must knew what he was talking about, because with his restrictions, he NEVER did develop another one. I am not saying to lower a horses calcium intake. But if they have ever had a bladder stone or are suseptable to one, that is how you prevent them. Five years after his surgery I had the Ph tested in his urine. He was still suseptable to the stones. Unless there is a medical reason to omit certain minerals to your horses diet, don't do it.

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milliecat
Reg. Aug 2005
Posted 2006-02-25 7:24 AM (#37791 - in reply to #37524)
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Such fragile animals!  Fortunately, Max is now back on normal diet.  The mineral "rock" in his colon was very rare for an older horse according to the surgeon.  Later I learned most older horses die or are put down because of surgery cost!

The stone did form around some sort of string or twine that he probably ate years ago.  The surgeon cracked open the stone and we could actually see the string. Bizarre!

Max was on a rigid diet of bran mash with corn oil, salt and Karo syrup and mostly alfalfa hay mix with regular hay.  Over 1 week, we gradually transitioned him back to normal diet, incorporating grain and less alfalfa.

Its now been almost 1 month. I can ride him at 1 month (tho we will take this VERY easy).  His incision site is healing very well, his belly is still bare like a baby's, and he is feeling great. He's so ansy to run and buck, but we'll ease into that next week. 

"I was rich till I bought my horse" but I'm very grateful!
Susan

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hconley
Reg. Feb 2005
Posted 2006-02-25 10:32 PM (#37835 - in reply to #37524)
Subject: RE: surgery for enterolith


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What you say is true for Ureterolithiasis and Nephrolithiasis which is a renal obstruction. But I'm talking about Enterolith, these stones are formed in the digestive tract. Both types of disorders are seen in cattle at feedyards.
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