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merlinh
Reg. Jul 2005
Posted 2005-07-22 10:32 PM (#28473)
Subject: kicking in trailer


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Hi,

I have a horse that kicks terribly in the trailer.  He kicks not just when stopped, but pretty much all of the time except on the highway.  He wears kicking chains and they help a little but not very much.  He recently dented someones Titan trailer even with kicking chains on. I am considering putting hobbles on him, but most people I have talked to including the vet and trainers, said that it could be dangerous for the horse.  He could break an ankle in the trailer or fall.  Would breeding hobbles work?  That would be kind of strange on a gelding, but if they would keep him from kicking, I would try it.  At least the breeding hobbles dont tie his legs together so he wouldnt fall or break anything but I dont know how affective they are.  Any thoughts appreciated. Thanks.

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horsecrazy2
Reg. Jul 2005
Posted 2005-07-22 11:17 PM (#28475 - in reply to #28473)
Subject: RE: kicking in trailer


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Could you by chance leave the horse loose? It seems to keep them calmer if they can move around. Don't know what else would help.
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gus
Reg. Feb 2004
Posted 2005-07-23 7:55 AM (#28477 - in reply to #28473)
Subject: RE: kicking in trailer


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have you tried slaming the brakes on when he kicks it will make him want to keep all 4 feet on the floor after a few hard slams you just tap them as a reminder worked for me

good luck

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merlinh
Reg. Jul 2005
Posted 2005-07-23 12:02 PM (#28483 - in reply to #28473)
Subject: RE: kicking in trailer


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I have so far always had someone else haul him, and they usually bring other horses so he cant be allowed any more room.  I am going to buy a stock trailer for him and if I end up with the slant load I will try that.  As far as slamming on the brakes, I am also not the one driving and since there is usually other horses, I dont think they would be very willing to try that.
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MIfarmbabe
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2005-07-23 5:00 PM (#28490 - in reply to #28473)
Subject: RE: kicking in trailer


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You can try hobbles or kicking chains but the problem with those is that once you take them off they will usually start kicking again. Slamming on the brakes won't help either, and could actually cause more problems, not to mention unsafe. You might think that everytime he paws or kicks and you slam on the brakes causing him to brace himself will stop his behaviour because he will learn that if he kicks or paws, the trailer will suddenly stop. This won't work because he may start fearing being in the trailer to begin with especially if he gets hurt in the process of you slamming on the brakes!

Sounds like your horse needs to learn some better trailering etiquette. Your horse sounds alot like a horse I used to have that I sold. He drove me nuts and everyone knew I was coming by the sounds of him pawing and banging around in the trailer. I don't miss him at all!

I have heard of people putting their trailer in the paddock with the horse or up against the paddock in place of the boards, in between posts. Put their food and water in the trailer and allow them to go in and out of the trailer. If you have a slant, tie the dividers back or take them out, same with a straight load, remove the center partition. If you have an open stock trailer, even better. Pretty soon they will learn that being in the trailer isn't all that bad and may settle down.

Another problem with your horse is that maybe he hasn't learned to tie and stand still. How is he tied in the barn or to a post? He may need to be tied somewhere  by other activity and learn that it is okay to be tied and that it isn't going to kill him to be by himself.

This has been brought up before on this forum so you could do a search on here for "kicking" or "pawing".

Good luck to you! Hope you have better trailering rides with your horse!



Edited by MIfarmbabe 2005-07-23 5:11 PM
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merlinh
Reg. Jul 2005
Posted 2005-07-24 9:39 PM (#28517 - in reply to #28473)
Subject: RE: kicking in trailer


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ok, so update on the kicking...I just had his former owner come pick him up from where we had him boarded and he didn't kick at all in her trailer, just pawed once or twice, and he didnt even have kicking chains on!  He is the type of horse that bonds with one person, he really likes her and has bonded with her, and he is good with me, so far as riding and handling go, but I'm thinking maybe he feels more secure trailering with her.  I dont think he really likes change and we have used 3 different trailers with him in the last year and a half, and I know he kicked a ton with the owner before the previous owner. He does kick in his stall if he has to stay in at all during the day, he always wants to be turned out, but he is very good when cross-tied, usually just takes naps if he has to stand there for a long time.  Seems kinda weird, now I have to figure out how to get him to trailer like that with me.
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RichB
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2005-07-25 5:24 PM (#28550 - in reply to #28517)
Subject: RE: kicking in trailer



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You mentioned that you don't trailer him yourself.  Is he trailered with horses he is not familiar with or horses he doesn't get along with?  When his previous owner picked him up and he hauled well, did he trailer alone?  Maybe he doesn't like your friends trailer he is hauled in and/or he doesn't like or feel comfortable with the other horses he is hauled with.   Maybe he is kicking at the other horses and trying to establish himself (pecking order) with the other horses. 
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merlinh
Reg. Jul 2005
Posted 2005-07-25 7:28 PM (#28558 - in reply to #28550)
Subject: RE: kicking in trailer


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Hmmm... I didnt think about what horses he was hauling with.  Although the first time he was trailered in the third trailer (the one he dented), he was alone and still kicked a lot, but it was a short ride and he wasnt wearing any kicking chains.  He is never turned out with other horses, not really sure what he would do, so he goes out alone, and he wasnt familiar at all with the other horses that were in the trailer.  When he was picked up, by previous owner, he was alone.  Maybe that has something to do with it, I wouldnt have thought of that, because the dividers are in the way, but maybe they still try to establish hierarchy.
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maeclara
Reg. Apr 2004
Posted 2005-07-25 7:55 PM (#28559 - in reply to #28473)
Subject: RE: kicking in trailer


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this has to do with other horses in the trailer when I trailer my friends horse with mine I have to make sure that he can't even put his head out the window if they are dropped down and keep hi trailer tie short so he can't look over the divider as he squels and carried on with my horse, he is not socialised when turned out because of the way he behaves, so it sounds the same for your horse, even though the dividers there they still try to see each other and carry on.
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horsin around
Reg. Jun 2005
Posted 2005-07-25 9:58 PM (#28566 - in reply to #28473)
Subject: RE: kicking in trailer


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I have a horse that goes in stages.  There's times he's good and then there's times he has no patience so he starts pawing at the wall.  Sometimes I'll let him stand tied for hours to learn we can stand quiet.  Another thing I try not to do is let him out when he is pawing.  You can actually teach them to paw without knowing it.  If you let them out when they're pawing, it actually rewards their bad behaviour, so when they want out, they paw.  When I travel and stop for break, I'll open the back door for air but also to show them that just because the trailer has stopped and the door opened doesn't mean it's time to get out.  One time when he was exceptionally bad, I gave him hay and water in the trailer and he got to spend the night in there.  He's a veteran at trailering and has spent several 6-10 hours trips on the road in the trailer but there's times he's still bad.  The behaviour happens only when he's traveling alone so being alittle herd bound is an issue also so that's partially why just being tied alone is a good thing for him.

 

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Webb
Reg. Aug 2005
Posted 2005-08-27 12:11 AM (#29656 - in reply to #28473)
Subject: RE: kicking in trailer


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Tie him short about 1 1/2 foot in a trailer then run a rope thruge the bottom ring of his halter then between his legs and tie each end to a back foot. Take him for a ride. He will fix the problem of kicking all by himself in short order. Pawing is a little harder to fix.
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smashnwill
Reg. Sep 2005
Posted 2005-09-08 9:24 PM (#30109 - in reply to #28473)
Subject: RE: kicking in trailer


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 I have a mare that was a once a pawer in the trailer. I fixed the problem by taking her out for a little trailer ride everytime she pawed I hit the breaks enough for her to get the point. I know it sounds harsh and dangerous but I can tell you it works
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Reg. Dec 1899
Posted 2005-09-08 10:45 PM (#30114 - in reply to #28473)
Subject: RE: kicking in trailer




I have a kicker and need help. I have thought about this alot. I have a 7 yr old that we bought this summer he is blind in one eye a grade gelding so, I don't have much background. He is so awesome with my son. My son wants him to be his 4H horse but he won't stop kicking the trailer. He even filed his hoof so bad it was flat and almost to the band. So, we stopped trailering him of course. My son loves the horse won't look at another. He only kicks when taking off or stopping. He will kick shortly after stopping but if sitting for a moment or two he will stop. I can't have anything happen to this horse but I really need him to be a good trailorer. I have feed him in the trailor, also slammed on the brakes in our driveway but neither worked.
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Terri
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2005-09-09 11:21 AM (#30128 - in reply to #30114)
Subject: RE: kicking in trailer



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He only does it on start up and take off?  Since he is blind in one eye, he may be afraid that something is approaching him and he cant see it and then settles down when nothing scary happens.  How often has he been trailered and what type of trailer?  I used to have a blind appy, she could see shaddows, and she always had problems in the trailer.  It really scared her when traffic would pass us, so I "closed" her stall.  My trailer has stock sides (no drop downs yet!) so I put up some plywood in front of her and it really helped.  It cut down on the "whooshing" of traffic going by and she couldn't see the shaddows racing up to her.



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kat147
Reg. Sep 2005
Posted 2005-09-28 9:58 AM (#31078 - in reply to #28473)
Subject: RE: kicking in trailer


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I own a 'reformed' trailer kicker. Got her when she was six, off of the track.  Hauled her in a slant-load or in a box stall for the first year.  Didn't just kick the trailer, would blast side of the trailer as hard as she could, even before you could get the divider shut (just a little dangerous)   Kicked her right hind shoe off more times than I can count.  Dented the trailer really good in several places.  Tried pinning back the dividers in the slant so she would have a box, only resulted in her breaking the support the divider latched to...won't try that again.  I guess the box stall just gives them more room to swing (just like standing behind them

Next I tried some rubber booties on the back feet. I think mine were davis protector boots (could probaby use easy-boots too)  This kept the shoes on and the foot intact...but didn't solve the real problem.  Hauled her in a friends side-by-side (totally by random chance), and it was like getting a whole new horse.  Shoes stayed on, no broken trailer, and only an occasional half-hearted kick.  Hauled her a couple more times like this just to be sure it wasn't a fluke...and ran out and got new side-by-side trailer.              Best of luck



Edited by kat147 2005-09-28 10:00 AM
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