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gus4
Reg. Jun 2005
Posted 2005-06-25 2:58 PM (#27093)
Subject: need help regrowing tail


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The year before last my gelding got a fungus in his tail and lost alot of it. I am working hard at re-growing it by using Shapley's MTG regularly and have had good luck, it is thicker and gaining some length. However as the fly season is rapidly upon us I am wanting to put it in a bag or something to help it along even more. He is in with 3 other horses and has free choice to pasture- so not stall bound. What works for you in growing tails? Because it is short still and thin at the ends, I am having a terrible time keeping a sock in it - the longest it has lasted 3 is hours! I put on the Shapleys, then a conditioner before socking it. If i am not going to sock it I MTG, conditioner and then spray it with ShowSheen to prevent tangles. Sorry for the run on message...
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gemm
Reg. Feb 2005
Posted 2005-06-25 5:39 PM (#27097 - in reply to #27093)
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Welcome to the forum! I hope you get some good answers, because I'm in the same boat. The last horse I had with a short tail took "forever" to grow out. Some jerk stole her tail...cut it off at the end of her tail bone at a slant so s/he could get as much as possible! My vet and the sheriff said people were stealing certain fine-haired (like human) tails and selling them to hair salons to weave into people's hair. Yuck! Anyway it took 2-3 years to grow back enough to look normal and do its job as fly chaser. More recently, I got a Border CollieX who likes to "ski" from the tails of my horses. I don't know why they don't kick her, but their tails are getting thin! I tried the tail bags, but they just gave the dog a better grip until she ripped them.
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huntseat
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2005-06-25 5:40 PM (#27098 - in reply to #27093)
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OK, the good news is it's growing back and you are taking great care of it.

The bad news is you've got a few YEARS ahead of you.  Nothing can take the place of time when it comes to tail growth.

I think your tail bag is falling off because the hair is too slick.  You might find more luck in trying the Arabian approach while it's short.  Arab show people take the long center sections of tail and braid it then wrap it into a tight fist sized lump by folding the braid around your hand and "rolling" it up.  They don't use rubber bands if my memory serves me.  Instead they take this "ball" and wrap it really tightly in vet-wrap.  Wrap around the ball and through the top of the braid on both divisions of the hair.  In the end it should look like a fist wrapped in colored tape and be very hard.

This method only works when you have small amounts of thick hair or large amounts of thin hair.

I don't use MTG personally, I find it greasey and thus a dirt magnet.  I shampoo, condition, and showsheen every week.  Once finished I let the hair dry then put it in a tail bag.  For tricky horses the spandex like braid-able tail bags work great!  You can put them in REALLY TIGHT and they hardly ever fall out(for me.)  I find these work for tails from just below the hock to dragging the ground.

Good luck on your newest project, let us know how things grow!

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rose
Reg. Feb 2004
Posted 2005-06-25 6:27 PM (#27102 - in reply to #27093)
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It just takes time to grow, but a biotin supplement has helped our horses manes, tails as well as hooves. 
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huntseat
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2005-06-25 9:03 PM (#27108 - in reply to #27093)
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Farrier says the best, cheapest source of biotin is powered milk.
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hav2ride
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2005-06-26 11:02 AM (#27123 - in reply to #27093)
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Ok, I am considered by my horse showing friends to be somewhat of a tail "nazi".  I make ustom tail additions for people and have tried various methods to improve natural tails.  The best way to encourage tail growth is to keep it clean and conditioned, don't brush or comb unless it is silky clean so the hairs aren't pulled out, and keep it out of bags and braids, which can get caught on things and pull out more hair.  When I first got my current horse, his tail was thick but just about hock length.  At that length, I did little to it other than keep it clean and make sure he didn't have things to get the hair caught in (even duck tape over the part of the water bucket handles that attach to the bucket!).  As it grew longer, and had potential to get caught on lower things, I started to put it in figure eight knots.  Figure eights knots are done by gathering up the shorter outside hairs of the tail and getting it out of the way using a hair clip.  Then taking the remaining longer hair and dividing, one at a time, it into sections about the thickness of your index finger and forming each section into a figure eight knot.  Each knot is then wrapped with vet wrap to keep it nice.  You end up with about 6 -10 sections of figure eight sections. Then release the shorter, clipped hair so that it covers, and protects, the sections from snagging.  This can actually be left in the tail for long periods of time with very little hair loss and tremendous tail growth.  Is it a bit of a pain? Yep.  But it does the most for tail growth with the least amount of damage. 
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farmbabe
Reg. Nov 2003
Posted 2005-06-26 1:56 PM (#27131 - in reply to #27093)
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Don't use vet wrap- use a wrap called guard tex...its  a wrap which doesn't leave sticky residue on the tail.

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hav2ride
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2005-06-26 4:11 PM (#27143 - in reply to #27131)
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Vet wrap does not leave any residue at all.  I have used it for years without any problems.  In fact, the knot under the vet wrap stays as clean as the day it was put in.  Maybe the other imitation vet wraps leave a sticky mess.
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huntseat
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2005-06-26 8:42 PM (#27164 - in reply to #27093)
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Farmbabe, you must be thinking of Co-flex or Elasticon, the pink tape with a red stripe down the center.  Vet-wrap only sticks to vet-wrap and it comes in about 20+ colors.  (Looks kinda wavy while on the roll.)

Typical wound dressing has vet-wrap center and elasticon edges to keep the bandage from "sliding" around.  Elasticon also can be used to wax your legs in a pinch, the stuff is like super-glue on hair.  While working for my vet I once got a piece flung into my hair, it wasn't pretty...I'm still emotionally scared.

Vet-wrap is the way to go!

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farmbabe
Reg. Nov 2003
Posted 2005-06-27 7:39 AM (#27174 - in reply to #27093)
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Nope I am thinking of a wrap called guard-tex since I use it. Like it better than vet wrap- its lighter, isn't as strechy, and as I have found, not sticky but it does stick to its self. You can find it at Ss tack and show horse tack.
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hav2ride
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2005-06-27 8:39 AM (#27182 - in reply to #27174)
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See, I like the Vet Wrap because it DOES stretch.  That way I can get a nice fit around the knots and it stays put.

I had to edit this becsue some of the letters that I typed didn't actually appear!  Does that ever happen to anyone else???



Edited by hav2ride 2005-06-27 8:41 AM
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equigal
Reg. Apr 2005
Posted 2005-06-27 8:45 AM (#27183 - in reply to #27097)
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I have been using MTG on my QH all winter....and a tail braid that is stretch fabric..in 3 tubes.( the 3 tubes are joined at the top). You devide the tail into 3 sections, pull each section through a tube and then braid them together.I was putting the MTG on the tail about once a month throughout the winter but have been just shampooing and conditioning now. It needs at least 1" cut off every month because it is dragging on the ground. ( I measured the tail the other day and it was 41" from the end of the tail bone, to the ground....on a 15.2 hand 3yr old horse!)Also, because the tail braid is quite long, it works well for my horse as a fly switch....So, good luck....ps...I wonder if it's the MTG or genetics??? This colt is out of an "Invitation Only" offspring and when you look at this stud's picture advertisments in the AQHA Journal, his tail is "laying " on the ground!!!
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hav2ride
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2005-06-27 8:52 AM (#27186 - in reply to #27183)
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I tried the 3 Lycra tube braid too.  Made them and sold them also.  The tail did grow in length but I always found I got a lot of falling out hair when I removed the tubes, thereby thinning out the tail.  That's when I tried the tail knot thing.  Very little, if any, hair loss and tons of growth.  Plus, no concusions from being slammed in the face by the braided tail!  I also like the fact that they can use the tail more effeciently to swat flies, althoughbeing only hock length,  their "swatter" is a bit shorter.
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Erin_CBT
Reg. Jun 2005
Posted 2005-06-27 9:14 AM (#27188 - in reply to #27093)
Subject: RE: need help regrowing tail


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I have reining horses so long manes and tails are a big thing. My mare's hair is very thin and I have been using the MTG and it's working great, but it does make the hair slick, thus making it impossible for tail bags to stay. We hardly ever braid or use bags b/c it makes it so easy to catch it on something. It just takes time, but hang in there! Eventually it will grow!
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huntseat
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2005-06-27 9:23 AM (#27190 - in reply to #27093)
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Equigal, you saw a fakey on IO.  Bless the AQHA for allowing fake tails.
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equigal
Reg. Apr 2005
Posted 2005-06-27 9:47 AM (#27193 - in reply to #27093)
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LOL*** It’s a fake tail on IO ??? Well that explains it!But, My gelding's tail would be just like that if I hadn't kept triming it!!!I was wondering how that horse would do a "back-up"....
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farmbabe
Reg. Nov 2003
Posted 2005-06-27 12:09 PM (#27210 - in reply to #27093)
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never had problems with guard-tex staying put. I simply prefer it to vet wrap...
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Terri
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2005-06-27 12:17 PM (#27212 - in reply to #27188)
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I've been using MTG on my app mare.  She had a fungus (my vet said a lot of horses were getting it last year) and the MTG got rid of it.  Nothing else did.  I haven't seen much difference in her tail, but her mane is finally growing back.  She lost most of the hair on her tail head and almost all of her mane.  She was rubbing them off because of the itching I guess.   Most apps have skimpy mane and tails I know, but this was beyond skimpy.  She had such a beautiful tail and even though her mane was very short, it was thick and black.  It's comming back in with white streaks.  Maybe some more of it will fill in again.  I can hope.
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huntseat
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2005-06-27 2:38 PM (#27231 - in reply to #27093)
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Terri, when your app lost her mane and tail did she also go through a color change?  If so she won't be getting back her mane and tail.  That's why I don't do app's anymore.  App's have a major problem, the one's that look the best and win in the ring don't have any/much color.  The association has some major work ahead of them in my opinion.
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gus4
Reg. Jun 2005
Posted 2005-06-27 3:34 PM (#27235 - in reply to #27186)
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OK - I am interested in the knot idea. I have tried the braided tube deal and it still slides out - I realize the MTG makes it slick but I need to use that to help the tail out. He has thin tail anyway and with fly season upon us I am afrid to lose any ground we've made. Could you please explian the knot thing again - unfortunately I am very visual person! Thank you for your help
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farmbabe
Reg. Nov 2003
Posted 2005-06-27 4:03 PM (#27237 - in reply to #27093)
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when you wrap a braided tail, you must run the wrap into and through the braid at the top of the tail. Otherwise, it can slip off. 
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Terri
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2005-06-27 4:05 PM (#27238 - in reply to #27231)
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No she didn't change color.    She had scabs scattered over her chest and neck and face so I took her to the vet and he said it was a fungus and told me to wash her everyday with a ioidine shampoo.  It didn't help so he recommended the shepleys because it has sulfur in it.  I don't know if it was the MTG or the move to the desert that helped, but it's gone now.   Before the scabs showed up on her face she had scratches and I wonder if she could have spread it by rubbing her feet. 

She has lots of color and placed in the top 10 in halter as a weenling, her dam who is almost solid placed top 5 in the world.  I don't know anything about the rules but I don't like showing.  It was fun as a kid but now its too complicated.

 

I added a picture of her to my profile

 



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hav2ride
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2005-06-27 4:46 PM (#27240 - in reply to #27235)
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Ok, I acaully have directions for this but, because my scanner is not working right now, I can't send them to you.  I did a search for figure eight knots and found this animated site.  Just click on it.

Figure Eight Knot

try going there.  The animation is sideways instead of vertical but you can see how it works.  The left side of the video corresponds to the top of the tail.  Turn your head sideways to the left, maybe???  BTW, put the knots in right at the tail bone, not lower than an inch or so from it.  Regular knots do not work because they are very hard to get out.  Figure eights don't tighten up like regular ones, that's why the vet wrap is good to hold them together and to keep them from getting ratty.  When the tail with figure eights in finally grows longer than the hocks, add an extra knot below the top one and vet wrap them both together.  This really works well.  Don't forget to keep the shorter, outside hairs free of the knots so they protect them even more. 



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