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RichB
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2005-05-27 12:15 PM (#25755)
Subject: Challenge w/ my best horse



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Hi ya'll,

I've got a challenge with my best horses.  She is a 3y.o. QH mare who I have been working under saddle for about 6 mos now. She has always been a bit of a drama queen and can tend to over react with other people. However, her and I get along real well and she remains calm w/ me.  We have been making great progress together, until lately.    

Well around 2 weeks ago, I noticed she hadn't consumed all her feed.  Then, while I was haltering her, she was acting kinda head shy. Anyway I longed her and she did fine.  Then I tied her up and proceeded to groom and tack her up for a ride.  When I went to put the bridle on, she kept ducking away from me, this was very unusual.   She wouldn't have anything to do with it.  This is when I noticed she was very sensitive on her right side, around the muzzle.  She wouldn't let me touch her right side at all.  She was getting upset and I decided at that point to just put her away and try to figure out what was bothering her.  When I went to slide her hatler off, she reared up and away from me in her stall, as if it was causing her pain.  She would only let me inspect her front teeth. Called the vet out, found out she was sheding one of her rear molars but it was not falling out like it should've.  Anyways, he went to float it, after tranqulizing her,  and it just came right out. That was a week ago today. 

Since then, I have been rubbing her face to ensure she is getting better.  She'll let me scrach her all over and seems about back to normal. The other day I haltered her to turn her out, no problems.  But when I went to remove the halter, after undoing the buckle, right when the halter slides down the bridge of her nose, she flipped out and pulled away again until the halter came off. By the way,  I just let her go when she does this because I don't want to be pulling on her face if it hurts.

This is very disappointing! I don't want her to get head shy so I am relucntant to halter or bridle her until I have a good plan to get her over this.  Putting it on isn't the problem, seems to be a problem when I go to take it off.    I'm actally scared to bridle her, I don't want her pulling away from me  with a bridle on.    I'm worried about her stepping on the reins or something. 

Should I give her more time before I try?  She doesn't appear to be in pain anymore, and she'll let me rub her all over the face.   As far as the halter is concerned, I was thinking of putting 2 halters on her, so that if she goes to pull away I can maintain control over her and calm her down, basically desensitize her to removing the halter.  I'm thinking she is anticipating the halter hurting her and reacting before she even gives it a try to see if it indeeds hurts her.  In other words, she has associated removing the halter with the memory of it hurting her. The bridle is another whole ordeal. I don't want her to learn to avoid benig bridled or to associate it with pain. But I want to make sure she accepts it no problem before I even try.  She is smart and has a good memory. 

Do you have any advice, I'm kinda stumped here, never had this problem before. 

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MIfarmbabe
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2005-05-27 2:00 PM (#25759 - in reply to #25755)
Subject: RE: Challenge w/ my best horse


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Don't be too stumped on this one. It sounds like a tooth problem or some other problem in her mouth. Rule out physical health issues before thinking its a behavioral problem. Call your vet.
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farmbabe
Reg. Nov 2003
Posted 2005-05-27 6:22 PM (#25765 - in reply to #25755)
Subject: RE: Challenge w/ my best horse


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I'd have her rechecked too.

If thats not a problem then you have to literally retrain her. horses seem to learn everything except what we want them to know. I had a older mare that got a bumped pretty hard with a bit when i was taking her bridle off ( accidents happen) but it took many slow and gentle attempts to her to forget the incident.

 

I would try this- slowly and gently, put the halter on, then slowly unbuckle and lower it ( lower it just a bit) but don't take it off. Lower it again, then buckle it back up. give her pats and rubs. try it again. Even if she flinches,just keep talking to her but don't take it all the way off. ( I'd also have another halter around her neck with a lead rope so she can't run off. you might do this in a stall to prevent her from taking off) it will also allow you to turn her in circles if she does want to take off.

 

She has connected one ( the halter sliding off her nose) to the pain. This is a powerful association.

 

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j5mike
Reg. May 2005
Posted 2005-05-29 10:17 PM (#25813 - in reply to #25755)
Subject: RE: Challenge w/ my best horse


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Ijust bought a rope halter that I absolutely love.  It can be untied and slipped on and then retied behind ears easily.  Much easier than a traditional halter and more ground control.  It is also lighter and can be worn under the bridle which comes in handy on the trail.  I used this halter to break a 2 year old that I just bought that had no prior training.  He was very accepting using this method because I was not trying to slip it over his ears.
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huntseat
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2005-06-01 12:52 AM (#25919 - in reply to #25755)
Subject: RE: Challenge w/ my best horse


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Have you been giving her anything for pain? When my teeth hurt they hurt for a good long time and I baby them forever...your mare might be like me.
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RichB
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2005-06-01 4:38 PM (#25964 - in reply to #25755)
Subject: RE: Challenge w/ my best horse



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Hmmm, that's wierd.  I posted a follow up reply on Tuesday but just noticed it didn't post.

Anyhow, she is back to normal. I just worked with her over the weekend, rode her in a rope halter and she was good.  I'll ride her again in the rope halter and then try the snaffle again.  She seems all better.  I'm very relieved. 

Thanks for the replies.



Edited by RichB 2005-06-01 4:41 PM
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hav2ride
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2005-06-21 8:33 AM (#26849 - in reply to #25964)
Subject: RE: Challenge w/ my best horse


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Rich, glad to hear that she is back to normal.  Some horses do have a very low sensitivity to pain and can be overly dramatic but you sure don't want any bad habits developing because of it.  If she did develop the bad habit of flying up from dropping the halter or bridle, it can be fixed.  A war bridle or another halter with a longe & chain under the chin (I prefer under rather than over because it is more sensitive and won't mark the nose but I much prefer a war bridle) used under the halter or bridle will give you the control when they try to fly away.  You just drop the halter or bridle while keeping a firm hold on the training device of your choice and reprimand with a firm "whoa!" and tug/hold.  They will be quite startled at first but that's ok because you got their attention.  Rebridle/halter, walk them around a bit and do it again.  Repeat as long as it takes for them to stand quietly and, when they are quiet, praise them.  Don't pet them if they are freaking out.  Don't want to reinforce bad behavior.  I had a couple of horses try to fly away when I would put them in pasture and take their halter off.  A few lessons with this method and they would stand quietly waiting for me to give them a command telling them that they were free to go.  Made my life much easier and safer! 
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RichB
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2005-06-21 1:27 PM (#26875 - in reply to #26849)
Subject: RE: Challenge w/ my best horse



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Thanks for the advice, nothing more irritating than when they pull or fly away once they feel the halter slip away. 

I had to work on her quite a bit to get her bridled up again.  But she's good now and back to her normal self.

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