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dusselsus
Reg. Apr 2005
Posted 2005-04-10 5:16 AM (#23634)
Subject: Hauling with a 1/2 ton suburban


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I am buying a horse trailer and used 1/2 ton suburban to haul it (and my kids!).  I will haul on flat terrain maybe once a month.  A two horse bumper pull with 2 tb sized horses.  What should I look for on the suburban to make sure it hauls ok?
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headhunter
Reg. Oct 2004
Posted 2005-04-10 11:15 AM (#23635 - in reply to #23634)
Subject: RE: Hauling with a 1/2 ton suburban



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Any chance you would consider moving up to a 3/4T Suburban? You might check the thread on the 1/2T Truck and 3 horse gooseneck for some thoughts as to what you should be concerned with.

But a quick recap, I would check the brakes and find out the history of service, if any major work and to be sure maintence has been done on the engine and the transmission. Has the tranny fluid been changed recently? You will want to be sure to have a good hitch system on the Suburban, and LT-rated tires, not P-rated (the first letter in the tire size designates LT for light truck and P for passenger). And be sure to have the tires properly inflated. The 1/2T truck/3H gooseneck thread gives a good overview of checking weight ratios and hauling capacity too. It would be great if you had a tranny cooler but its not likely on the 1/2T and isn't a make it or break it factor.
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chadsalt
Reg. Nov 2004
Posted 2005-04-10 5:46 PM (#23643 - in reply to #23635)
Subject: RE: Hauling with a 1/2 ton suburban


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Originally written by headhunter on 2005-04-10 12:15 PM

You will want to be sure to have a good hitch system on the Suburban, and LT-rated tires, not P-rated (the first letter in the tire size designates LT for light truck and P for passenger). And be sure to have the tires properly inflated. 

now im not picking on you headhunter thats good advice, but ive seen the reference of P tires vs LT tires several times before.  this is another misconception.  granted P tires, when mounted on a truck or suv are rated, i believe at 9 or 10% less than the max weight rating stamped on the sidewall. but if the rating is appropriate why does it matter if its P or LT?  my 02 trailblazer came with P tires, the GVWR is 5550, the tires were rated at 2094 max so subtract the 10% and you get 1885 which multipiled by 4 tires is 7540..well above the max GVWR. you may also notice 3 tires are aprox the max GVWR, it is MY understanding (after talking with a tire manufaturer) this is to prevent internal damage to the 3 remaining tires in the event of a blowout.  most vechicles ive checked, and trailers for that matter, are set up with 3 tires aprox. equal to the GVWR.



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headhunter
Reg. Oct 2004
Posted 2005-04-10 6:09 PM (#23644 - in reply to #23643)
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Originally written by chadsalt on 2005-04-10 3:46 PM

now im not picking on you headhunter thats good advice, but ive seen the reference of P tires vs LT tires several times before.  this is another misconception.  granted P tires, when mounted on a truck or suv are rated, i believe at 9 or 10% less than the max weight rating stamped on the sidewall. but if the rating is appropriate why does it matter if its P or LT?  my 02 trailblazer came with P tires, the GVWR is 5550, the tires were rated at 2094 max so subtract the 10% and you get 1885 which multipiled by 4 tires is 7540..well above the max GVWR. you may also notice 3 tires are aprox the max GVWR, it is MY understanding (after talking with a tire manufaturer) this is to prevent internal damage to the 3 remaining tires in the event of a blowout.  most vechicles ive checked, and trailers for that matter, are set up with 3 tires aprox. equal to the GVWR.



I recommend the LT over P rated tires not for the hauling capacity, but for stability. Most LT tires are 2 ply heavier than a comparably-sized P rated tired. Especially with a bumper pull, it helps eliminate sway.

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chadsalt
Reg. Nov 2004
Posted 2005-04-10 7:28 PM (#23645 - in reply to #23634)
Subject: RE: Hauling with a 1/2 ton suburban


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interesting, are you refering to the physical ply or the max psi--old ply equivalent?

i just switched my worn out P OEM tires to an 8 ply equivalent BFG...car tires are just no good in the field.



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headhunter
Reg. Oct 2004
Posted 2005-04-10 7:45 PM (#23646 - in reply to #23645)
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Physical ply. But its usually referred to as "load range", which is referenced in the maximum PSI. I have two vehicles with LT-rated tires. One has Load Range D, which is the equivalent of 8 ply I think. Those tires have a maximum PSI of 65. The other has Load Range E, which is the equivalent of 10 ply, and have a maximum PSI of 80. P-rated tires I believe are 6 ply, and have a maximum PSI of 35. Don't quote me on the physical ply numbers, I would have to do some digging to verify. But I do know the Load Range E is two more plys than Load Range D, and Load Range D is at least two more plys than P-rated tires.

Yes, you do get more weight-carrying capacity out of a tire with a higher load range and corresponding maximum PSI, but the reason I recommend LT-rated tires on a towing vehicle is stability. I am sure we both agree that putting an LT-rated tire on in place of a P-rated tire doesn't increase the vehicle's maximum load or towing capacity (still have to consider transmission, brakes, suspension, etc).

Kind of a side note, its something to consider when replacing tires on an SUV or 1/2T truck. Most SUV's come with P-rated tires, its a toss up on 1/2T trucks - some come with P-rated, others with LT-rated. If its a towing vehicle, it is worth considering upgrading to LT-rated tires for the stability, the trade off is you get a more truck-like ride.
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headhunter
Reg. Oct 2004
Posted 2005-04-10 7:58 PM (#23647 - in reply to #23645)
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Originally written by chadsalt on 2005-04-10 5:28 PM

i just switched my worn out P OEM tires to an 8 ply equivalent BFG...car tires are just no good in the field.



Good call. Have you noticed a difference in how your rig handles, even without a trailer? Did you switch tire sizes too, or just go from P to LT?

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chadsalt
Reg. Nov 2004
Posted 2005-04-10 8:59 PM (#23649 - in reply to #23647)
Subject: RE: Hauling with a 1/2 ton suburban


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Originally written by headhunter on 2005-04-10 8:58 PM

Originally written by chadsalt on 2005-04-10 5:28 PM

i just switched my worn out P OEM tires to an 8 ply equivalent BFG...car tires are just no good in the field.

Good call. Have you noticed a difference in how your rig handles, even without a trailer? Did you switch tire sizes too, or just go from P to LT?

i will say it handles different, dont know if id go so far as to say it helps stop sway but i wont say it doesnt. never had much sway problem, had a 2h straight bp dont remember it ever swaying. have this 2h slant w/dress bp now, it has yet to sway.  i will say i was concerned about the noise and ride of an All Terrain tire 8 ply tire, but it turned out to ride quietly and smoothly not like the what i remembered. i kept the OEM size, just needed the all terrain tread pattern, only have 2wd w/lsd need all the bite i can get.

nice to see someone else has a firm grasp on tires.

4 ply load b 35 psi

not sure where the extra load/pressure 44 psi comes in

6 ply load c 50 psi

8 ply load d 65 psi

10 ply load e 80 psi

12 ply load f 95 psi

14 ply load g 110 psi

if im not mistaken



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MrTruck
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2005-04-10 11:53 PM (#23656 - in reply to #23634)
Subject: RE: Hauling with a 1/2 ton suburban



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From what I remember a "P" passenger tire is similar to 4 ply. When Nissan introduced the Titain and Armada last year, they had "P" rated tires on them for better handling and though I asked many times, but they never answered my question on how many ply rated they were. The GMC Denali Quadrasteer has "P" rated tires but is rated by GMC to tow the highest trailer capacity of the Quadrasteers, where the HD 1500, 2500 and Suburban 2500 Quadrsteers, have "E" 10 ply rated tires. But I've seen the Denali with heavy trailers attached and we had to over inflate the "P" tires to support the weight and not have so much sidewall flex, where the E- 10ply tires at their proper air pressure didn't flatten much. So I would conclude that under loaded conditions a LT tire would flex less, heat less and last longer than a "P" rated tire.

You're are right ratings go up by two:

C= 6 ply, D= 8, E= 10, F= 12, G= 14

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ASJ
Reg. Mar 2005
Posted 2005-04-11 2:12 AM (#23657 - in reply to #23634)
Subject: RE: Hauling with a 1/2 ton suburban



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Get a weight distribution hitch with sway control for your trailer and you should be ok. You are not hauling a freight train..... The weight of a two horse trailer should be more than ok for a 1/2 ton truck of any kind... Just make sure you have a towing package on the suburban and it is in good repair and if you are looking at a used vehicle have it checked out by your auto repair man. Or buy from a well known dealer not some side of the road used car place...

Good Luck and hope you and your have fun riding...

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huntseat
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2005-04-12 11:18 AM (#23715 - in reply to #23634)
Subject: RE: Hauling with a 1/2 ton suburban


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You should be fine with the 1/2 ton, I have several clients I have put in similar setups adn they are all fine. Get a brake controller and a trailer with electric brakes on both axles. I would see how it sets on the Suburban befoer getting the weight distributing hitch, I'm thinking you'll be fine without it due to the longer wheelbase of the suburban.

Good choice and happy hauling!
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RichB
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2005-04-12 4:38 PM (#23747 - in reply to #23715)
Subject: RE: Hauling with a 1/2 ton suburban



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The only thing I would be pay special attention to with your Suburban is the brakes.  The brakes on pre 2000 model year surburbans are barely adequate to stop the vehicle itself.  I have a '98 and eat front brake pads up about every 12k miles.  So...just make sure the trailer brakes are adjusted properly and in good working order.  
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hav2ride
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2005-04-14 2:18 PM (#23841 - in reply to #23747)
Subject: RE: Hauling with a 1/2 ton suburban


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I couldn't agree more!!  The Suburbans were terribly underbraked!  Not sure they got much better though.  I finally got rid of mine when I got a gooseneck. Loved the comfort of the 'Burb but just HATED the brakes!
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