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aceliberty
Reg. Sep 2011
Posted 2012-11-21 6:09 AM (#148504 - in reply to #148314)
Subject: RE: COLORADO WILD HORSES



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Painted, Tks for sharing the information on the ranchers who lease the BLM land. Sheds a lot of light on an emotional topic.
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Phoresic
Reg. May 2010
Posted 2012-11-21 9:10 AM (#148509 - in reply to #148314)
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It would be a great idea for the horse herds to be managed (not mismanaged), and the cost of ownership of so much land includes management of that land which includes management of the wildlife on it.

In our area,the federal leases to ranchers are pretty much a thing of the past.  My rancher friends hold a large federal lease(s) but have told me that there are no more leases being given - at least in that district.  If they do not maintain their lease or if it were to lapse, they could not release and they have been leasing for decades. 

Here you can't develop a water source legally without some right to that water, so that is another problem with cattle leases.  Different states and different forestry districts have different rules, but wildlife needs to be preserved and, to me, that includes wild horse herds.  What is the point of government ownership of land?  Is it to preserve the land? for recreation? for exploitation? what?  I guess that's the first question. 

If you have 10,000 private land owners and one here or there decides that the mustangs must go, that has a smaller impact than the federal government buying 80 - 90 percent of Nevada, and deciding to implement a policy to destroy the mustangs.  The impact of the federal government is completely different and the impact of a group of property owners who act independently. 

The federal government simply does not want to maintain the land and habitats that it owns.  That's the bottom line problem.  Whether it's pine beetles or mustangs, it comes down to the government's incompetence or laziness.

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Painted Horse
Reg. May 2005
Posted 2012-11-28 8:12 AM (#148633 - in reply to #148314)
Subject: RE: COLORADO WILD HORSES



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Here is a report on the round up going on in Utah this week.

http://www.ksl.com/?sid=23151676&nid=148&title=blm-continues-controversial-horse-round-up&s_cid=featured-3

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farmbabe
Reg. Nov 2003
Posted 2012-11-30 8:40 AM (#148657 - in reply to #148457)
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Money is the BEST reason to keep the wild horses out. If the ranchers aren't making MONEY, they are not not paying taxes which is going to support such folly as the wild horses ( as well as the taxes necessary to support local and state governments) Its the MONEY they earn that buys the tractors,building supplies,food,medicines,clothing..etc that supports local communities. Its the MONEY they earn that sends kids to college. MONEY is the best reason in the world to get rid of these equine parasites.
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Marla
Reg. Mar 2008
Posted 2012-11-30 10:09 PM (#148660 - in reply to #148657)
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I agree that wild horse herds have been badly mismanaged. Federal policy makes no sense at all. It also makes no sense to obliterate all wild horse herds. there is something magical about watching wild horses galloping across the landscape, free and unfettered. Something that is just good for the soul.

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Gone
Reg. May 2005
Posted 2012-12-01 2:22 PM (#148665 - in reply to #148314)
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Equine parasites? Your horses are parasites too, you should give up your land and let the cattle feed on it.
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Phoresic
Reg. May 2010
Posted 2012-12-01 2:53 PM (#148666 - in reply to #148657)
Subject: RE: COLORADO WILD HORSES


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Originally written by farmbabe on 2012-11-30 8:40 AM

Money is the BEST reason to keep the wild horses out. If the ranchers aren't making MONEY, they are not not paying taxes which is going to support such folly as the wild horses ( as well as the taxes necessary to support local and state governments) Its the MONEY they earn that buys the tractors,building supplies,food,medicines,clothing..etc that supports local communities. Its the MONEY they earn that sends kids to college. MONEY is the best reason in the world to get rid of these equine parasites.

I will just point out that here are enormous amounts of Western land owned by the Federal government. There are no property taxes paid on these lands. Add to that, the amount of land owned by state and local governments which also pay no property tax, and it's clear that wild horses are not the problem with reduced property tax revenues. Additionally, the government-owned land is no inhabited by income tax paying individuals and businesses.  I'm not here to argue the advantages and detriments of the extensive ownership of land by governments, but I do think that it is not the wild horses that are even a key ingredient in the money issues that you point out. 

Then, if you look at the national debt and the proposed unlimited future spending, well...the horses just don't amount too much in the grand scheme of things related to the financial future of this country. 

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