Would a cougar growl if horses got too close to it? At camp last weekend when we were night riding we heard a deep growl which made my hair stand up. It was close to the horse trail on the right side. The horses did look to their right (night lights were on) but didn't spook. There was a creek along the left side of the wooded trail and on the right side was an incline bankment of sorts which was wooded and had low brush......Trying to figure out if it indeed was a cougar. I do know there have been quite a few sightings in MI. but the DNR denies it. I like night riding but that kind of made me a little hesitant of going again.
Posted 2010-07-08 3:13 PM (#122055 - in reply to #122053) Subject: RE: Cougar?
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I think you could be right. We have them here in Iowa too, same thing, DNR denies it. But, had one a couple years ago, sleeping up in a tree, in TOWN in South Sioux City, mom takin her kids to school saw it's tail hanging down(they lived on the edge of town)So, I would believe it. They have "transplanted" them here to cut down on the deer population, yeah right. We have way too many deer for a cougar to handle, just in my 80 acres of timber...30-40 deer at a time. They have them in Southern Illinois too, down by Shawnee, I heard from locals they are around a lot! Think if you make noise, they will run off, but ya just never know! But I love to ride at nite too, when it' s a full moon.....just "think" a little more about it now...
Posted 2010-07-08 4:10 PM (#122062 - in reply to #122053) Subject: RE: Cougar?
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Where were you? I suspect anywhere there are plenty of deer you may find cougar. You said the horses looked but did they tense up? Wouldn't the horses react if it was a cougar?
Posted 2010-07-08 9:02 PM (#122068 - in reply to #122053) Subject: RE: Cougar?
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I would think if the horses could smell it they would react, what way the wind was blowing? I am from the UP of Michigan, this spring in the Local News Paper they ran an article that the DNR agreed Cougar's Confirmed in the UP over by Manistee area. So many people have pictures of them on their night time web cams they set up to see what size bucks are eating at their bait piles at night. I saw a young cougar kitten - July of 1991 I thought it was a bobcat until it got up and the tail was twice as long as it's cute little body. I was only 25 yards from it middle of the day.
Posted 2010-07-08 10:50 PM (#122075 - in reply to #122053) Subject: RE: Cougar?
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Most cougars want nothing to do with people. There are lots of cougars in Utah, I see their kills fequently, But I rarely see a cat unless we are chasing it with dogs. And we frequently use the horses to keep up with the dogs, They don't see too worried about the prey we are chasing. So I'm not sure that the smell alone would trigger a spook in the horses. But then my horses have seen and packed a lot of crazy stuff. So maybe they are not a good example of normal horse reactions.
I hiked trails during hunting season in fresh snow. Only to return 30 minutes later and find cougar tracks on top of my tracks in the snow. So I know they have followed me out of curiosity to see what I was. But they very rearely show themselves.
Posted 2010-07-09 1:55 PM (#122123 - in reply to #122053) Subject: RE: Cougar?
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A couple weeks ago we were trail riding in northern WI and rode up on black bears twice. The first bear was gone before our horses could see it at around 30 yds. The second bear crossed the horse trail less then a 100 yds from us in plain sight. In both cases we got no reaction from our horses. We even rode over the trail where the second bear crossed. I doubt our horses have ever seen or smelled a bear before so unless one were to suddenly appear very close would they even know to be concerned? Could the same be true with a cougar?
Posted 2010-07-10 1:45 PM (#122162 - in reply to #122053) Subject: RE: Cougar?
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interesting thoughts regarding whether or not a horse reacts to the smell of wildlife (like big cats, bears, etc.) i would have thought there would definitely be a reaction to the bears if there was visual contact made, and/or the horses could smell the bears or big cat.
years ago, i was trail riding (by myself...wouldn't do that today) in texas hill country when my horse absolutely refused to go forward. i tried everything but had to give up and go all the way back around to get to the barn. was later told there had been sightings of a cougar in the area where my horse decided to stop.
so my suggestion is that if your horse DOES have an unusual reaction on the trail, even if you can't see or smell anything, listen to your horse's instincts. (while it is doubtful a big cat would ever attack a horse and rider, why take the chance of your horse spooking, you falling off and getting injured?) hopefully we haven't bred the common sense out of our horses so they don't even recognize their natural enemies anymore?
Posted 2010-07-11 2:40 PM (#122210 - in reply to #122053) Subject: RE: Cougar?
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Here in Utah we have areas with a lot of Badgers, I found out while fishing one day that they make a growl noise as a warning when you get too close. They are really mean so just back away if you come upon one while hiking, riding, fishing, etc.
Posted 2010-07-15 11:29 AM (#122417 - in reply to #122053) Subject: RE: Cougar?
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Add Wisconsin to the list of cougar sightings and incidents. The Madison channel had a news story about an older arthritic horse that was attacked twice in one month by a cougar near Wonewoc. It was confirmed as a cougar attack. A cougar was also seen twice very near the Town of Palmyra just prior to the Memorial Day weekend..... close to the edge of the Southern Kettle Moraine State Forest. It probably moved on as I have not heard of recent sightings. Years ago when camping at Palmyra Horserider's Campground...we would hear Bobcats scream at night. Now its pretty much just the coyote's howling. It depends on who you talk to in the DNR...they don't like to admitt we have them here either.
Posted 2010-07-16 9:28 AM (#122449 - in reply to #122053) Subject: RE: Cougar?
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I was camping and riding by myself in Bandera, TX back in April (before it got too hot) and was coming down a rugged fairly steep rocky area.. Heard a slight rustle and looked up in time to see a long ropey-looking thing disappear into the brush on the opposite slope. It looked to be as thick as maybe someones wrist . The "thing" made a little sepentine movement as it disappeared.. My mare didn't react, other that to look toward the rustling noise. I dont remember if the wind was blowing to or from us... I have gone over and over it in my mind's eye.. It looked like the tail of a cougar. My initial thought was that it was the hind leg of a deer jumping into cover but the movement wasn't right and I never hear any other noise but that initial slight rustle. no jumps or anything else. I continued on, but was on pins and needles for the remainder of the (long) ride.. My head stayed on a swivel until we reached camp. All i could think about was all of the stories I'd read about cougars following along until they decided to jump.. My mare, who is usually ultra-vigilant was not more so than her norm..I told the rangers at the park office when we made it back to camp hours later.. They said that the area was in "cougar territory" and that there had been sightings in the general area YEARS ago, but none in a very long time. i will certainly keep bear spray on me when I ride from now on..
Posted 2010-07-17 8:14 PM (#122509 - in reply to #122449) Subject: RE: Cougar?
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Haven't been to Bandera in years but we used to see them there and our horses never acted up. I would hazzard a guess that the horses in the cougar areas (who have never been attacked) are used to the smell and aren't afraid because nothing has ever happened to connect the sent to trigger a danger response.
Never assume they won't attack a rider/horse. If they have lost their fear of humans they can and will if hungry enough. There was a family (4or5 people) hiking up around Albuquerque awhile back and a cougar attacked and grabbed one of the kids by the head and tried to drag him off. The family managed to keep hold till the cat gave up but the boy had deep puncture wounds in his head. There have also been a couple of hikers killed by big cats. Right now they are having problems with bear attacks.
Posted 2010-08-01 11:49 AM (#123069 - in reply to #122053) Subject: RE: Cougar?
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Have ever heard a Bobcat screem? They are more likely the source. A Bobcat is more likely to be close than a Cougar. Cougars don't like being close unless they are very hungry. And that's lot very like with the deer population you have around there.