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Safet
Reg. May 2009
Posted 2009-08-08 1:33 AM (#109157)
Subject: floor beams


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If you look under a trailer and one or two of the I-beams under the trailer are dented/bent, how do you verify the structural integrity of the trailer? I've looked under a couple of trailers (started looking under all of them since reading this forum) and have noted dented or bent I-beams on some as if the trailers have been down back rocky mountain roads or something. Would a trailer with this type of flaw be summarily excluded from a potential purchase list? Thanks.
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Painted Horse
Reg. May 2005
Posted 2009-08-08 7:48 AM (#109158 - in reply to #109157)
Subject: RE: floor beams



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I do drag my trailers down Forest Service and BLM roads.   I have cracked a couple of holding tanks and drug the rear of the trailer over a few rough spots.

Aside from damaging the holding tanks,  (which hang down lower) The ony damage I've down was dragging the rear of the trailer through some washes and that broke the last aluminum cross member at the back of the trailer.  The dealer welded that back up in a few minutes when I took in back in for repair. So bent frames are not what I'd consider normal wear and tear for even off road trailers.

I'd think folks must be trying to drag across a pretty big rock to hit the other members that are not at the extreme rear of the trailer.

If the member is bent, then it probably has weaked the floor in that area. Most flooring will be screwed or welded to the cross members.  If the cross member has moved, then those fastners will have lost their hold. This might also show up as cracked wood planks or torn aluminum planks.

Pretty much anything can be repaired, But a bent frame is not something most welding shops are going to be real happy to work on. It's underneath the trailer where you have only 8" to 12" of clearance.  You would be laying on your back working above your face. The cross members are not only welded at the sides, but probably have some form of attachment to the floor from above, that's not accessable from below.  Trailers are big enough that most shops don't have the means to jack them up so they can walk around underneath, nor do you roll them over on their side to work on the bottom. So damage that happens underneath, usually stays damaged.

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gard
Reg. Aug 2007
Posted 2009-08-09 5:38 AM (#109170 - in reply to #109157)
Subject: RE: floor beams


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Originally written by Safet on 2009-08-08 2:33 AM

If you look under a trailer and one or two of the I-beams under the trailer are dented/bent, how do you verify the structural integrity of the trailer? Would a trailer with this type of flaw be summarily excluded from a potential purchase list? Thanks.

It depends on the type of damage. The bottom flange of the "I" beam is the most exposed part of the structure, and is the most likely area to show the results of any incidents. Aluminum framing is pretty neat stuff. Depending on the alloy, it can flex without work hardening, has a memory, and can absorb some damage without transferring the energy to others areas.

If you look at an I beam and the bottom flange is bent, but the web and top flange aren't, chances are the damage may be localized. If you were to inspect the areas around that damage, such as the welds to the flooring where they attach to the top flange, or the welds at the end of the joist, where it is attached to the perimeter frame, you may find no additional damage.

 Additional inspections can be made of the impact area to determine if there are any cracks in the extrusion. The metal can be cleaned, and a dye penetrant applied, followed up with a developer. This will specifically show any cracks.

If the welds are intact and there is no visible distortion of any structure, chances are that the frame's integrity has not been jeopardized. However, if the web is crushed, and the flooring above the damaged area is distorted, a new joist will have to be inserted at some cost. In addition, if a joist is bent where the flanges are distorted laterally in a bow shape, this is bad news. The I beam has been caught on something and has been displaced. The flooring in the weld areas will probably be torn, and the ends of the joists may be broken away from the perimeter frame. In a worse case scenario, the perimeter frame may be pulled inward in a coke bottle shape, distorting the outer shape of the trailer.

The common approval for a proper weld of any material, is that the finished joint is as strong as, or stronger than, the base material. All of the statements, "aluminum welds are brittle and will break" are bogus. If the welds are breaking, the welder should be retrained or fired, and replaced with someone who is competent. The welds near any damaged areas, should be as strong as the material itself. They should not break until the frame itself breaks.

The rear bottom frame structure of my larger trailer, has the scars and dents of many steep driveways, gravel roads, and rocky fields. Some we were aware of and heard when they happened, others went unnoticed. A visual inspection, if you suspect any damage, is warranted.

I would not be afraid to purchase a used trailer, with some damages to the bottom flanges. But I definitely would inspect further for any related damages, and reject any trailers that showed visual structural distortions.

BOL   Gard 

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laurie
Reg. Jun 2004
Posted 2009-08-09 12:38 PM (#109176 - in reply to #109157)
Subject: RE: floor beams


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I would think the only way you would no is if a frame shop measured it for squarness. You could be tweaked and not visually see it but it could cause problems towing and tire wear
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