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calamityj
Reg. Jun 2005
Posted 2009-07-21 9:52 PM (#108335)
Subject: About horse shoes.... and rocky trails...


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We just got back from a very long weekend at Buffalo River (Erbie) because the weather was so cool... We met some nice folks from south Texas... brought their horses up there barefoot. None of our business, but, what do ya say to people? We sometimes pull a shoe off on those rocky trails...I think barefoot is alright if you live on sand. Riding in Arkansas and Missouri really requires a well shod horse and sometimes pads... pass it on.
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IcePonyGoddess
Reg. Nov 2006
Posted 2009-07-21 10:23 PM (#108338 - in reply to #108335)
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My Icelandic Horse has been barefoot. Not a problem on rocky terrain. I have booted him about...3-4 times, when doing a ton of riding of heavy gravel roads/trails.

I've ridden in Shawnee and MO. Also, many of the Midwest rocky trails.
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ridingarocky
Reg. Aug 2008
Posted 2009-07-22 2:04 AM (#108343 - in reply to #108335)
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As briefly mentioned in another posting,.. my rocky mare has incredibly tough feet and does rough, rocky Hill Country trails barefoot with no sorefootedness..but, i don't ride her hell-bent-for leather over them, either.. She pays attention to where she is walking and chooses her way, walking over the rough stuff and gaiting of her own free will where it is smoother.. She can cover a lot of miles in one morning, then set back out for another trip in the evening and go just as evenly and willingly during the second trip as on the first..   I have thought many times to buy her some boots for just-in-case, but so far we've done well with out them. The farrier compliments her feet every time he comes to trim them.  A rocky gelding that I used to have had been shod all of his life until I bought him..He was notorious for breaking or losing shoes, especially front ones.. He feet were what I call "shelly" and he had to have clips fitted to his shoes to help keep them on.  I pulled them all soon after he arrived.  It took him a while to toughen up and accomodate, but he negotiated the same trails with much more ease barefoot than with shoes.. 

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Painted Horse
Reg. May 2005
Posted 2009-07-22 8:36 AM (#108350 - in reply to #108335)
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I used to have shoes and went barefoot 3 years ago,  We ride some incredible stuff.  My horses can go ANYWHERE for a one day ride. I have to watch their feet if I ride 2-3-4 days in a row. So I always bring boots and put them on if the horses get kinda ouchie.  I find my horses are MUCH more sure footed on big rocks when barefoot. They seem to be able to feel where the footing is, less slipping and sliding on the rock surface. Although I do find the steel shoes dig in on sandstone slick rock better than a bare foot horse.

I think nothing of riding my horses down rocky trails like these barefoot.

 

 

My horses feet after two days of riding ( over 40 miles of rocky trails)

 

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IcePonyGoddess
Reg. Nov 2006
Posted 2009-07-22 10:11 AM (#108363 - in reply to #108350)
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Painted Horse ....I want to ride with you!!!!!
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calamityj
Reg. Jun 2005
Posted 2009-07-22 10:37 AM (#108365 - in reply to #108335)
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Me too!! By the way... Icelandic horses have notoriously great hooves. The horses I see around here barefoot are usually badly chipped out and touchy footed. It takes time to toughen them up and you can use embalming fluid to toughen them. It is a very good idea to carry boots when out. On that subject, which ones are the best??? We have Boa II and one has already ripped apart. I think I may order some Cavallos today...
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bbsmfg3
Reg. Dec 2006
Posted 2009-07-22 10:45 AM (#108368 - in reply to #108335)
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A few horses can go the rocky trails barefoot for a few days. Like Jon said, if he goes more than a few days he may need boots.

We just got back from 15 days of, day after day, riding in the Rockies.
Our horses were shod and we had drill tec on the shoes.
We rode 2 of the horses every day. Their shoes are nearly worn thru.
I'm quite sure a barefoot would never have lasted without boots.

I don't find the shod horse any more or less surefooted or less
likely to slip than a barefoot one. Surefootedness is more an
individual horse characteristic than a barefoot/shod issue.

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IcePonyGoddess
Reg. Nov 2006
Posted 2009-07-22 11:00 AM (#108370 - in reply to #108365)
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Originally written by calamityj on 2009-07-22 10:37 AM
see around here barefoot are usually badly chipped out and touchy footed


Touchy feet are due to the sole not having concavity. A barefoot trim with a mustange roll will over time encourage this. In a barefoot trim, the frog and sole is left nature. No live sole is takend.

It takes time to toughen them up and you can use embalming fluid to toughen them

I would not use embalming fluid on any of my animals. Yikes.

It is a very good idea to carry boots when out. On that subject, which ones are the best??? We have Boa II and one has already ripped apart. I think I may order some Cavallos today...

It really depends on what you want to use your boots for. Long miles, etc...I would go with Easy Care Boots. The new Glove is so darn easy to use!! But...sadly they do not fit my pony.

I use Easy Care Epics. Raven



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randemtam
Reg. Jun 2007
Posted 2009-07-22 12:01 PM (#108378 - in reply to #108365)
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I believe the embalming fluid calamityj is speaking of is Formaldehyde. Many people use this mixed with a strong tincture of Iodine to toughen their horse's feet. I don't agree with using it as it will kill any live tissue that it touches.

My horses go barefoot the majority of the time and could probably go barefoot for some rocky riding. However, I figure when I go riding in these places it is my vacation which could easily be ruined by a stone bruise. We use shoes, pads and some borium nails when we go riding in the mountains. I got tired of putting on and taking off boots. It wore me out! Shoes are much easier for a short period of daily riding on rough terrain.

 

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Painted Horse
Reg. May 2005
Posted 2009-07-22 6:43 PM (#108401 - in reply to #108335)
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For a trip like Bobs, I 'd just glue on a set of Easyboot Glu-ons and forgot about them for 15 days.  I've also applied the Vettec Sole-Guard and left it on for 15 days.  Either solution is an apply and forgot about for several weeks.  And the horse is still basically barefoot and can be returned to a barefoot status with no nail holes or side effects of a temporary shoe.

My horses have great concavity.  But no amount of concavity will bridge every rock you find in the wild. But hoof bruising has never been my problem.  I think they just get tender from pressures ont he white line/lamini.

I find keg steel shoes to be very slick on large slabs of granite like we find in the Wind Rivers and other Wyoming mountains.  The borium studs would help with this, but then you have to deal with studs 24x7. And sometimes I want my horses feet to slide or have some give. I don't like twisted knees or ankles. I hate shoes getting caught up between rocks on extreme rock trails.  Aluminum shoes work GREAT on granite, but alas they wear out quickly. A barefoot horse or one with rubber boots has better grip on slick granite.

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ridingarocky
Reg. Aug 2008
Posted 2009-07-22 9:51 PM (#108409 - in reply to #108335)
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I agree.  There was a thread on here some time back about some boots that had a cage over the bulb of the heel.. From what I remember posters saying, they were very easy to put on and take off.. I'm trying to remember the name..hoping it comes to me as I type.... I remember that they come in a bunch of great colors, black yellow bronze, orange, etc. At last check they were @ 150.00-160.00/pr, I think.

Renegade is the name.. I knew I would remember it if I tried..

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farmbabe
Reg. Nov 2003
Posted 2009-07-26 6:08 PM (#108569 - in reply to #108335)
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I think one has to be flexible when it come to shoes. I don't understand the mentality of NO SHOES! SHOES BAD! If a horse needs the protection and support of iron, then shoe'm. Some horses need pads, so put them on. Some do not- so don't. Instead of grasping some ideology why not just do what the horse needs to stay sound,comfortable and serviceable? Some horses have naturally good feet and some just don't.Do what is in the best interest of the horse.
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Marla
Reg. Mar 2008
Posted 2009-07-26 8:22 PM (#108574 - in reply to #108569)
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Originally written by farmbabe on 2009-07-26 6:08 PM

I agree completely, farmbabe.


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terri s
Reg. Sep 2005
Posted 2009-07-27 9:54 AM (#108590 - in reply to #108335)
Subject: RE: About horse shoes.... and rocky trails...


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I think one has to be flexible when it come to shoes. I don't understand the mentality of NO SHOES! SHOES BAD! If a horse needs the protection and support of iron, then shoe'm. Some horses need pads, so put them on. Some do not- so don't. Instead of grasping some ideology why not just do what the horse needs to stay sound,comfortable and serviceable? Some horses have naturally good feet and some just don't.Do what is in the best interest of the horse.

 

 

  What a concept!!!!

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ridingarocky
Reg. Aug 2008
Posted 2009-07-30 6:42 AM (#108755 - in reply to #108335)
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I agree to do what is in the horse's best interest.. but I maintain, that given time to accomodate, most horse's feet will toughen up to be the best hoof they can be..
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tom-tom
Reg. Feb 2008
Posted 2009-07-30 7:36 AM (#108756 - in reply to #108335)
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The Renegades are awsome!!  I have two horses that wear them when trail riding and haven't lost a boot in the woods yet.  I have tried that Easy Boots and Cavallo boots.  These are by far the easiest to adjust and the water drains out the back when crossing creeks.  My kids can even adjust them and put them on.   
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