Posted 2009-05-16 6:19 AM (#105004) Subject: Horse Market
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Just wondering how the horse market is doing around the country. I'm in the market for a nice pleasure horse to show . I'm not looking for a World or Congress champion. Something to start out in open shows. I've rode several horses that ride nice but haven't been to a show yet. I have watched the results of several higher end sales. Its not that great, a few thousand is all they are bringing. Some with points on them. Yet the owners of the horses I have rode seem to think they are worth a few thousand more than you could get for them at a high end sale. I guess I'll let them feed them some more. What do you guy's think?
Posted 2009-05-16 8:41 AM (#105012 - in reply to #105004) Subject: RE: Horse Market
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Posts: 1205 Location: Danielsville Georgia
I see horses advertised at ALL prices with no real rhythm or reason.I just sold a 5 year old big Driftwood/Wimpy mare for $4k and the buyer really wanted to pay less of course but I let them try her and vet her out with the understanding her price no matter what was what it was.Then I went to a Arizona Driftwood breeders site and MY price was on the LOW end compared to his stock etc.I also sold a Driftwood/Freckles colt for $2500 and AFTER the sale was told it was the nicest colt and the LEAST expensive colt that they had looked at.Then again I see some being just about given away and I have gone ages and ages and could not get $500 hundred for one.Craigs list is slam full of free and real low priced horses yet read the ads and its obvious why they are free or not much money.
Posted 2009-05-16 11:00 AM (#105017 - in reply to #105004) Subject: RE: Horse Market
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I just sold a real nice polish, Old Polish lines mare for $800 yesterday. I took a real big dump on her price. She had been for sale for a year. She was just sitting at the ranch and not being used, so wanted her to go to someone that was going to use her. I also scanned alot of my ad replies to make sure she was going to a "useable home". So it doesnt' really matter what bloodlines out here in Cali., horses are just not being bought here.
Posted 2009-05-16 11:12 AM (#105018 - in reply to #105004) Subject: RE: Horse Market
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I did the same thing a while back on a Tobiano Walking horse gelding I foaled out here at home.5 year old and very green broke.In fact a member on this site bought him and he wasn't here looking for a horse.Just to say Hello and saw him in the pasture.I said 'make me a offer 'he did and I said SOLD! I had run ads on that gelding since he ws 90 days old with I don't think ONE inquirey at several differant levels of pricing.He was a NICE colt.By the way I have TWO nice Tobi(blk/white) Walking horse mares for sale.Both bred and born here at home.Both would be nice trail mounts.Both ride but are green.Need wet saddle pads.Pm me if any interest.
Posted 2009-05-16 11:05 PM (#105030 - in reply to #105004) Subject: RE: Horse Market
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Just came from the local twice a month sale, colts and yearlings 65.00 unregistered, 95.00 registered (some very nice wimpy, leo, doc a lena colts went for 135.00 highest. Good riding or roping horses 550.00! Nice registered gaited horse 200.00 to 400.00 for a really nice B/W spotted gelding! Prices are really bad around here for horses and we see more and more starving ones on the local news everyday. One man with 20 starving horses said he could pay the fines cheaper than feed them.
Posted 2009-05-17 5:33 AM (#105031 - in reply to #105004) Subject: RE: Horse Market
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Here in Southcentral Pennsylvania, the horse market is depressed. Local horse auction prices are down. Local papers have horses in the classified "free" section. Well broke "ranch, rope, and recreate" horses sold at the Billings, Montana, Livestock Sale continue to do well. April sale results showed the top 5 average of $10,150, top 50 average $5,683, and top 100 of $3,980. I have owned 2 horses that went through the Billings sale, and would not hesitate to buy there again. My friend bought 2 via phone during the auction, and was well pleased. They have a very nice website. With Montana House Bill 418 now law, the door is open for investor owned slaughter houses in the state. Regardless of your stance on slaughter, the opening of U.S. slaughterhouses should help the horse market. North Dakota and Tennessee also are making progress towards opening slaughterhouses.
Posted 2009-05-18 6:56 AM (#105064 - in reply to #105004) Subject: RE: Horse Market
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In MI there are some horses that being sold their worth but lots of others that are not. heritagelane - who will be the investors in the slaughterhouse? It must be equine people or organizations since we have the most to lose and the most to gain. I am against slaughter houses since people just breed and use them to get rid of horses. I am also for them since they do serve a purpose. I hope people have learned a lesson of breeding just to breed doesn't do anything good. All horses should have a good/great life and a purpose. Just look a "Dream Horse" there are many horses needing a new home for many different reasons. Our zoo adopted two race horses from C.A.N.T.E.R.
Posted 2009-05-18 12:34 PM (#105076 - in reply to #105004) Subject: RE: Horse Market
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Except that not all horses will have that great life-thats a reality we have to accept. Even horses bred to the hilt might not turn out to be anything special. Horses are a recreational/luxury item and they do cost money to own even if they are lawn ornaments. Horse slaughter served a useful purpose-provided a outlet for unwanted horses ( no matter what the reason) and fed hungry people in other countries. Too many people in this country are treating horses like those in India treat cattle- some sort of untouchable god like creatures. Think of it this way- slaughter kept horses that were undesirable out of the gene pool. Now not only are they still around making babies but they are also depressing the market for good breeding/riding horses. Just like the emotional knee jerk response towards the so called mustangs,protecting horses from slaughter will prove to be a very bad idea.
Posted 2009-05-18 1:40 PM (#105084 - in reply to #105064) Subject: RE: Horse Market
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I am not certain what "investor-owned" actually implies. At least one of the Montana watch dog groups states that it was worded this way to allow overseas investors a piece of the pie to insure a smooth shipment of meat to foreign markets.
Posted 2009-05-18 3:42 PM (#105089 - in reply to #105004) Subject: RE: Horse Market
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I'm curious to just how big is the market of horse for human consumption? Is it blown out of proportion? All I have ever heard or read of such is places like here on this forum.Anyone got any REAL hard facts to such?
Posted 2009-05-18 8:37 PM (#105109 - in reply to #105089) Subject: RE: Horse Market
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Originally written by hounddog on 2009-05-18 3:42 PM
I'm curious to just how big is the market of horse for human consumption? Is it blown out of proportion? All I have ever heard or read of such is places like here on this forum.Anyone got any REAL hard facts to such?
I don't recall the year, but it was about 4 to 5 years ago. The killer market was well over 600,000 horses per year.
Posted 2009-05-18 9:27 PM (#105119 - in reply to #105114) Subject: RE: Horse Market
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Originally written by hounddog on 2009-05-18 8:07 PM
Any facts? What/where did 600,000 get used for or go too.Hard facts?
The USDA keeps detailed records which can be accessed via their web site. The numbers of horses slaughtered for meat from 1994 till June 10, 2006 was 943,089.
Posted 2009-05-19 7:10 AM (#105131 - in reply to #105004) Subject: RE: Horse Market
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So about 80,000 a year.Thats dosen't sound like many.Any records of HOW they were used after slaughter? I'm just really curious to HOW much horse meat really WENT overseas.I bet(might be wrong)nowhere NEAR the amount thats seems to be thrown around out there.
Posted 2009-05-19 9:25 AM (#105146 - in reply to #105131) Subject: RE: Horse Market
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I see it was longer ago than I'd thought.
Horsemeat is generally considered a delicacy in France,
Belgium, Italy, and Japan and is higher priced than beef. France alone consumes an average of 300,000 horses/yr, Italy 350,000 horses/yr.
Horse slaughter for human consumption.
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Posted 2009-05-20 7:16 AM (#105206 - in reply to #105004) Subject: RE: Horse Market
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80,000 a year is alot of horses to me. Even if we double that figure I doubt that the horse market would inprove right away. It might take two, three or more years to see any change. This is a good time for us to pay attention and improve things. I hope we can show the people who closed down the slaughter houses and the investors how this is good not only for a food source but the whole equine community. Also, thank you for the information it was interesting reading and realizing how much value animals make to all industries.
Posted 2009-05-20 9:09 AM (#105211 - in reply to #105004) Subject: RE: Horse Market
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Interesting facts.Good info.Thanks.I know 80thousand sound like a lot but obviously far from enough considering all the BLM horses in holding pens etc.I bet there's at least 200(probably more) head in a five square mile radius of me.When I was a kid it was really something to own a house.Only certain people were able to.Same with a horse.It was the RARE few who were able to own a horse.At least how I remember it.I have two mares my wife is wanting to bred.One I agree with,23 with Wimpy 1 on her papers,shes 25% OLD SORREL and has produced some nice horses.Got a gelding FOR SALE out of her here by a top reining stallion.Wants to bred her to our Driftwood/Freckles stallion.The other is a double bred up close top and bottom Rocket Wrangler(Dash For Cash)maiden mare we have had for about three years.I'd really like to sell her.She is gorgeous.She is not ride-able due to a severe rear leg injury.I've been putting off breeding anything.But this morning wife says we are going to get the Old mare out of pasture and get her ready to breed.I have also seen a SLEW of new ads advertising weanling's of several different breeds.Some with a dozen or more in their ads.Most are out of somewhat common animals.I'm really tired of the horse thing right now.Would like to go sit on a quiet beach with a cold one for a few months.
Posted 2009-05-21 12:03 AM (#105270 - in reply to #105004) Subject: RE: Horse Market
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I was just at an auction in UT where really nice breed horses were going for $300. Trained reining horses sold for $800-1500. Before I came out from GA, people were turning horses loose in the national forest. If you went to the auction with an empty trailer you might come out to find someone put a horse in it. It is sad.
Posted 2009-05-23 1:49 PM (#105373 - in reply to #105004) Subject: RE: Horse Market
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I've had a appy filly for sale for almost a year now. 2yrs old, fully charateristic, halter broke, trailers, ties, stands for farrier, is being handled by a 12yr old girl, etc. $600 with no bites, except for scams. We get one of those about once a week.
Posted 2009-05-23 2:25 PM (#105374 - in reply to #105004) Subject: RE: Horse Market
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I sold a Driftwood(Cibecue Ike) x(HLC Freckles Fancy) Freckles bred colt(long yearling/gelding) to a vet out of Tennessee for $2500 mid winter.The comment AFTER the sale was that he was the NICEST and LEAST expensive that she had looked at.I too have some that I can't sell for $600 dollars.BUT I also see some that sell for $3k to $6k that are like what I sold for $2500.I have a hard time seeing a rhymn or reason to some of it. OPPS I kinda already said that didn't I.I'll blame it on Chemo brain then.LOL
Posted 2009-05-23 4:49 PM (#105378 - in reply to #105004) Subject: RE: Horse Market
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Maybe I should jack up her price up so someone can try to lowball me. I haven't been able to work her for the past 3 1/2 months and won't be able to do much for at least another month or so. My 12yr old has been doing what she can to help. Broken bones and young horses don't work well together.
Posted 2009-07-12 9:46 PM (#107928 - in reply to #105378) Subject: RE: Horse Market
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Originally written by Terri on 2009-05-23 4:49 PM
Maybe I should jack up her price up so someone can try to lowball me. I haven't been able to work her for the past 3 1/2 months and won't be able to do much for at least another month or so. My 12yr old has been doing what she can to help. Broken bones and young horses don't work well together.
Change your pictures, and re-write the add. Jack up your price some too. He'll look like a different add, attract new lookers, and if the price is up they'll think he's something to look at.
Aren't people goofy?
When I'm sellin, the price is LOW, when I'm buying, it's HIGH!!
Posted 2009-07-12 9:55 PM (#107930 - in reply to #107928) Subject: RE: Horse Market
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I go back to the Dr next week and if he says I can start working around the barn again I'll give her a bath and 'try' to get her clipped up(that may be pushing it). When I sold my gelding for $2000 to a lady in AZ she had a friend come out with her to pick him up. They were convinced that she was just buying him because he was a leopard and there must be something wrong with him because he was so "cheap" and wanted to check him out for her. I thought that was expensive for a green boke horse but it just goes to show ya.
Oh, they competed in drassage and I guess they paid a lot more for their horses.
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