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Marla
Reg. Mar 2008
Posted 2008-08-12 3:39 PM (#89578 - in reply to #89551)
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I have been riding and competing for 40 years, and I have the scars to prove it, but I also have the memories of wonderful horses and fantastic friendships.  I wouldn't trade my horse-related aches and pains for  any cotton-wool existence!
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Posted 2008-08-12 9:53 PM (#89606 - in reply to #89117)
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I was raised around horses... rode when I was in diapers, and intend to ride until I'm back in em again! I think people need to teach kids safety and respect and leave the rest up to fate...after all, we could get killed walking to the mailbox. It is a precious experience to ride with family and friends when you are any age.
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mrstacticalmedic
Reg. Dec 2005
Posted 2008-08-13 9:08 PM (#89674 - in reply to #89117)
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Marla made a comment about teaching your kids to be afraid. No, waiting for a child to be older before riding isn't teaching them to be afraid, but to teach them safety first and foremost. You wouldn't let your child drive with your child sitting on your lap going down the road in a car, so why would you take a child up six feet in the air on a horse that has a minds of its own? It is about common sense and being concerned about the welfare of your child. I wish I could introduce you folks to people who lost their child because she fell off a 15.2 hh horse that lost it's balance and slammed into a tree. Due to the Hippa law I can not disclose these folks name or location. But I can tell you that they regretted taking their child on the horse and out on the trail. The child had a helmet on, but still broke her neck because of the fall. I had to respond to that accident and see the grief on those folks face and I tell you I will never forget that. The horse was "bombproof", but managed to lose it's balance out on the trail, somehow taking a misstep. If you want to risk your childs life that is your perogative. But please don't insunuate that folks who wish to wait before putting their child on a thousand pound animal is making a child scared of riding. In fact I applaud the parents who wait.
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Reg. Feb 2008
Posted 2008-08-13 9:33 PM (#89677 - in reply to #89117)
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Botom Line - It's a personal choice.  As a parent I have tried to teach my children to ride as safely as possible.  They are almost 9 yrs old and have being taking lessons weekly for 2-3 years.  No they didn't ride as infants and rode on buddy seats when they first started riding.  But, these were the choices that were best for me and my kids.  I try not to judge what other people do with their horses and their children.  That is their choice. No one can predict the future.  Only God knows what tomorrow holds and I hope that my tomorrows involve my kids and our horses.  I see both sides of the issue.  Both as a someone who doesn't want to see any child harmed; and as someone who knows the joy of being able to share good times with my family riding.  All I can do is try to prepare my girls as best as I can.  I always pray that God will keep us safe - whether we are at the beginning of the trail or at the end.  I wish the same for the other parents, kids and horses. 
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lesliemal
Reg. Sep 2007
Posted 2008-08-13 10:03 PM (#89678 - in reply to #89117)
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Nicely stated.
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Marla
Reg. Mar 2008
Posted 2008-08-14 3:49 PM (#89725 - in reply to #89117)
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Acidents can and do happen.  It is no more fun to pick up the body of a child who has been killed in a horse-related accident than it is to cut a child from the remains of the family sedan.  Do you also suggest that infants not accompany their parents to the grocery store, swing on the swingset at school or daycare, or ride the merry-go-round in the park?  Risk is part of life.  Without it you might as well not be here at all.
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mrstacticalmedic
Reg. Dec 2005
Posted 2008-08-14 6:55 PM (#89734 - in reply to #89117)
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Marla there is a difference between the risk a child chooses, but an infant can't choose not to get up 5-6ft up in the air.

Also cars can be controlled by humans and do not have free will, horses can.  It is apples and oranges.

Yes there are risks in life, but why push the envelope unnecessarily for your own pleasure and ego?  A thousand pound horse can do far more damage than a car accident can if a child is strapped in a seat properly.  There is more chance of them suffering brain damage riding a horse.  As someone stated, it is comparative to shaken baby syndrome.

It is everyones perogative to do what they will with their children.  But putting a toddler or infant up on a horse to me is taking a risk that is uncalled for.

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appy4me
Reg. Jul 2005
Posted 2008-08-14 11:33 PM (#89747 - in reply to #89117)
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This has turned into a debate over opinion, like someone else said, we just have to make the choices we think best for our own children.  I raise my son the way I was raised (with a few tweeks) and always pray for his well being. 

Horses have been a part of my life since I was born, I wouldn't raise my child any other way. 

Although, I do respect the thoughts of others that choose NOT to ride their young children, that isn't wrong either. 

To each his own, that's what makes the world go around!

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Tresvolte
Reg. Feb 2008
Posted 2008-08-15 10:37 AM (#89755 - in reply to #89117)
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Well said appy4me.

As fars as the chances being greater on a horse...not according to the CDC. From the years of 2001 to 2005, there were 2600 brain injuries from horseback riding ages 5-18. There were 4x as many on playgrounds, 7.5x as many from football, and 9x as many from riding a bike. The number one cause of brain injuries for adolescents 5-18? Motor vehicle accidents.

In my case it is definitely not pleasure and ego...it is a way of life. My parents were raised on horses, I was raised on horses, my kids have been raised on horses, and I hope that my grandkids will have the same privilege. And that is what it is...a privilege.

This is a decision that only you can make as a parent. Listen to what everyone has to say, realize that it is an opinion, and like my dad always said opinions are like ********, everybody has one. Be informed before you make the decision, know the consequences, take all things into consideration, and make the best decision that you can for you and your family.

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cowpony01
Reg. Mar 2006
Posted 2008-08-15 4:46 PM (#89785 - in reply to #89117)
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Yup, just like a few others on here have said, "horses are part of their way of life." Just like ours, we run our own cattle ranch, and our son is in the corrals on foot moving calves, he knows to get up on the panels when the "girls" come in. He brushes and gets on the horses when we sort, he loves it. It's his way of life, kind of similiar to the Crocodile Guy when he took his child into the crocs pen that was so ridiculed over. (I'm sure this example will be a debate now too.)  That is their way of life, second nature. He got rocks litterally thrown at him for that. It comes down to again, part of your life, we are ranchers and I'm sure tons of other parents that run bigger ranches than ours have their kids up on the back of a horse from day one also.....

We who chose our lives see the non riding childrens peoples point of view, but see ours also without ridiculing it........

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notfromtexas
Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2008-08-16 6:33 PM (#89835 - in reply to #89117)
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"As fars as the chances being greater on a horse...not according to the CDC. From the years of 2001 to 2005, there were 2600 brain injuries from horseback riding ages 5-18. There were 4x as many on playgrounds, 7.5x as many from football, and 9x as many from riding a bike. The number one cause of brain injuries for adolescents 5-18? Motor vehicle accidents."

Can't really use this as a comparison, though.  Only about 10% of kids will be on a horse between the ages of 5 and 18 whereas 100% will be in/around motor vehicles.  I think the point being made is that the risk is higher per individual exposure (ie ride) in horses as opposed to anything else. 

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huntseat
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Posted 2008-08-16 10:39 PM (#89839 - in reply to #89117)
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Statistics can tell you exactly what you want to see...but to truly use them you must level the playing field and notfromtexas is exactly right!

If you really want to "low-down" on risk call your local insurance agent...they have real numbers on just this type of thing.

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classygirl98
Reg. Jan 2005
Posted 2008-08-16 10:40 PM (#89840 - in reply to #89117)
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I am sure you are good responsible parent and it is your decision to make. We did not let our son have a horse until he was fourteen. I wish we would have gotten horses earlier in life when he was younger. There is danger in every moment of our lives. We cannot live in constant fear of what might happen. It would drive many of us crazy if we did. Just be safe, be prepared but also take time to smell and enjoy the many roses of life.
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mrstacticalmedic
Reg. Dec 2005
Posted 2008-08-17 1:40 PM (#89859 - in reply to #89117)
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I am done with this subject.  I guess the best thing to say is as adults we can choose our risk, children can't.  You want to put your child at risk intentionally go for it.  Lots of heads in the sand going on is my opinion.  5-6ft is a long way to fall for a child.  It is comparible to an adult falling 12ft.   Have a great day all.  My absolute last post on this.  

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Z71
Reg. Oct 2004
Posted 2008-08-17 3:01 PM (#89860 - in reply to #89117)
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I wonder how the families done it before auto's, when horses was the only mode of transportation.

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flyinghfarm
Reg. Mar 2004
Posted 2008-08-17 3:34 PM (#89861 - in reply to #89117)
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Back in those days, the family wagon was how it was handled in most regular families...and the horses were, by and large, more cold blooded, less refined, worked a lot more, respect and obedience were much more matter of fact (hey, both children and stock!), and the horses in many ways did not get fed nearly as well. They did not have the overfed, over-loved, under-worked freshness that many horses have today.  That is not to say children did not ride, but what they rode, and when they rode, was much different on many levels.  I had parents who were raised in this era, and relatives who did not have electricity or running water til the 70's, living in a remote area of Missouri. 

 I looked back and realized my post was not clear, it only dealt with the fact that if a child falls (and we want to pick em up to comfort them) and is seriously impacted etc, due to the need for C-spine immobilization, moving them is a bad idea.  I apologize, as the post was not about how to care for injured children....

 I rode in a family that horses and their uses were a way of life as well, ...before I was school age I was turned loose alone to ride, minus a helmet or supervision..... on a jenny about 10 hands tall who ignored my bad self and would not "go faster" etc.  I was, of course, less than 3 feet from the grass in the yard, where these mighty adventures took place. 

What I see today is a great many people who truly believe their horse is much better broke than it really is, and the facts are that they are not nearly the rider they think they are.  When you put a baby onto one of these horses with one of these people, it does chill one's heart.  I have been a certified instructor for longer than I care to remember, and it is sad but true that the above scenario is the case more often than not.  The parents of children have the responsibility and the choice of how to handle their children's riding, all we can do is help when we can without being obnoxious and the rest is in God's hands.  I want all children to ride that wish to, and for them to enjoy it and become proficient, and happy.... and live to tell the tales of their childhood....

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freeindeed
Reg. Jul 2007
Posted 2008-08-17 7:57 PM (#89865 - in reply to #89117)
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My belated two cents on this topic-No, I personally would not put any child on a horse until at least age six-(other than lead-line pony rides, and helmets even for those, and only kids able to balance and hold on). Our daughter at the age of seven rode our "dead broke" nineteen year old Standardbred gelding, and basically got trotted off of his back one day out in the yard. The ground was extremely hard due to a drought-and seeing her lying there unable to move and saying "I can't feel my legs" is not an experience I would ever care to repeat. We made the trip in the ambulance to the hospital, and thanks be to God (literally, the prayer chain started right after I call 911) nothing was broken. Her (our) confidence was extremely shaken and she did not ride again for two years. By the age of nine she was much stronger and more balanced physically, and more cognitive of the whole process of riding. SHE wanted to ride then, though, I did not pressure her to in any way, in fact I had to take her to a lesson barn because my "mother guilt" was so strong I could not put her on a horse by myself. She is an excellent, balanced rider now, but the worry never completely goes away for me. Since she IS older though, and it IS her choice (and love!) to ride I encourage her to do it, in as responsible a manner as possible. I guess it comes down to we each have to do what is right for us and ours.
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Posted 2008-08-18 10:15 AM (#89896 - in reply to #89117)
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I too was brought up on horse back. Not by choice, but by necessity. We rode our horses to school. I had pony of my own by the time I was 3. Rode the rascal everywhere. Had a bridle, but could not afford a saddle. We fell off, got bucked off, many times, but never even gave a thought to getting hurt. We were, after all, just kids.

The horses I started taking my babies for rides on were well trained stallions. Reading the post from the instructor above, brings up a very good point. How can you tell if a horse is well trained, especially well trained enough to carry our wee little ones. IMO, The number one pre-Requisite is a true whoa. By that I mean, when you cue the horse for a whoa, he freezes, regardless of the circumstances. Number two, is he must have a good steering wheel, and three, you must have leg control. There are many others for a well trained horse, but if you have these three you've got a good start.
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Posted 2008-08-18 11:14 AM (#89901 - in reply to #89117)
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I apologize for sounding like I was trying to pick a fight, and going back reading my post and reading all the way through again, that's what it sounded like. When you look at all the numbers of horse ownership and number of children involved in horse activities versus total numbers of children and other accidents, they are still less likely to be injured from horses than the many other numerous ways that it can happen.

Am I going to have a 3 month old on a horse? No. Am I going to have a 3 year old on a horse? Under certain circumstances. Depends on the situation, depends on the horse, and depends on the kid. Am I going to turn them loose? Absolutely not.

For those of you that will consider putting a child on a horse....take into account your experience with horses before you do. What comes as a natural reaction for me, and anyone that has handled horses all of their life, will be a hesitated action for someone else less experienced. With my kids, they played in the barn instead of playing in the yard. It is where they wanted to be. As little ones, they knew to respect the size and strength and unpredictability of horses. My children were ready to ride at different ages. I could have said that I wouldn't have put them until they were 6, but then I would have been fooling myself. My son was riding at 5. My daughter didn't want a thing to do with it until she was 9. She wanted to be around the horses, but wanted no part of being on them. Difference in the children. And at whatever age you decide to put your children on horses...be as safe as you can doing it. And remember that no horse is completely bomb proof.

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Posted 2008-08-18 10:22 PM (#89958 - in reply to #89117)
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"be as safe as you can doing it"

That is exactly the difference. I never worried about being safe. I knew our horses and how they behaved, never gave a second thought about not taking them as 3 and 4 month olds. Horse back riding was(and is) what we did for recreation. Saw no reason at all to not include the new members of the family.
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gard
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Posted 2008-08-19 9:55 AM (#89969 - in reply to #89117)
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Our daughter is 27, and has been riding for 27 years, and nine months. At the age of three she had her first pony, which was exchanged for successfully larger animals as she aged. Every night we pray that her guardian angel watches over her, and to date we have been blessed.

My wife has been riding for over fifty years, and is a competent equestrian. She had never had a serious injury. A couple of months ago, in preparation for a long awaited CA Sierra Mtn. riding vacation, while riding in our indoor arena, she was thrown from her horse. She hit the wall, and then the ground. For more than a month she was non-ambulatory, it was six weeks before she could sleep in a bed.

Last night she called from her make up tour in CA. It was the first day of her ride, and during the early afternoon, some deer spooked several of the mounts. A young man in his thirties was thrown, and tomorrow he should be traveling home with his broken left elbow.

We can't predict where and when accidents will happen. You can however, be assured that if you spend time around horses, you will be injured. It's not an if, it's a when and the only question is how badly.

If your love for these animals means you're willing to accept these risks, and you will take responsibility for those incapable of making an informed decision, then it's up to a higher power in which your fate is determined.

As has been eloquently stated, you can't hide from life. Life is about doing the things we enjoy. We work hard in a free society, and the fruits of our labours are what drive us. If riding is the goal, enjoy it as much as you can, you deserve it.

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Posted 2008-08-19 10:58 AM (#89976 - in reply to #89117)
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"We can't predict where and when accidents will happen. You can however, be assured that if you spend time around horses, you will be injured. It's not an if, it's a when and the only question is how badly."

I do believe you could say the same thing about driving automobiles. Except with automobiles your chances of injury are probably much higher with all of the nutsos out there trying to hit you. And I don't know about the rest of you, but I'd rather hit the ground from a horse moving 10 mph as hit something in a car moving 65 mph. I've been riding horses for the most part of 62 years and driving cars for almost 44 years. I've had injuries from both, but the horse injuries have been very, very, minor compared to those from auto accidents. I trust my horse a lot more than I trust those crazy drivers in rush hour traffic.

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Marla
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Posted 2008-08-19 4:58 PM (#89989 - in reply to #89969)
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appy4me
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Posted 2008-08-20 9:06 PM (#90084 - in reply to #89969)
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Originally written by gard on 2008-08-19 9:55 AM

Our daughter is 27, and has been riding for 27 years, and nine months. At the age of three she had her first pony, which was exchanged for successfully larger animals as she aged. Every night we pray that her guardian angle watches over her, and to date we have been blessed.

My wife has been riding for over fifty years, and is a competent equestrian. She had never had a serious injury. A couple of months ago, in preparation for a long awaited CA Sierra Mtn. riding vacation, while riding in our indoor arena, she was thrown from her horse. She hit the wall, and then the ground. For more than a month she was non-ambulatory, it was six weeks before she could sleep in a bed.

Last night she called from her make up tour in CA. It was the first day of her ride, and during the early afternoon, some deer spooked several of the mounts. A young man in his thirties was thrown, and tomorrow he should be released from the hospital. He will be traveling home with his left arm in a cast, holding his broken elbow in place.

We can't predict where and when accidents will happen. You can however, be assured that if you spend time around horses, you will be injured. It's not an if, it's a when and the only question is how badly.

If your love for these animals means you're willing to accept these risks, and you will take responsibility for those incapable of making an informed decision, then it's up to a higher power in which your fate is determined.

As has been eloquently stated, you can't hide from life. Life is about doing the things we enjoy. We work hard in a free society, and the fruits of our labours are what drive us. If riding is the goal, enjoy it as much as you can, you deserve it.

Gard

Very nicely put. 

 I was riding before I could walk, my parents didn't force it, they couldn't stop it! 

My 9 year old has asked me for years, "mom, why do you love horses so much?"  To that I reply everytime, "that's just how God made me."  Guess the same is true for many of us, it's just in our mold. 

I respect everyone's opinion, and pray that everyone has safe, and happy trails! (or rails)

I also hope your wife is doing better, you just never know.

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Posted 2008-08-21 1:33 PM (#90120 - in reply to #89117)
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I've been riding since the age of 3...I'm 50 now, and last year, just before my 49th birthday, I was thrown and broke my hip.  Had been riding this QH mare for over 6 months, past all kinds of spooks, figured her to be well on her way, and BOOM!  Layin in the road trying for 911 on the cell.

My concern with kids is that they have a good first riding experience, no matter what the age.  Safety is foremost...and the tools for safety have come a long way since my early years (non-existent).  Helmets are a must for kids.  Safety vests are also a must.  A good, experienced and PATIENT instructor with well-broke mounts in controlled (arena) conditions is what my grandkids will experience.

Like much in life, there are no guarantees of complete safety.  I like the risk, still, of riding green horses and those that are headed for the kill truck if somebody doesn't do something to turn them around.  My choice, and I know the risks.  I also do everything I possibly can to gain the safety edge I need.

No thrill in the world, in my book, of being the first to throw a leg over a newly-started 3 year old QH. 

As a kid, where horses are concerned, I had no fear.  I did some really stupid stuff, but I learned.  Usually out of sight of my parents or any other adults. 

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