Posted 2007-12-11 5:39 AM (#72764 - in reply to #72750) Subject: RE: Own Animals? Heard of NAIS?
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Originally written by crowleysridgegirl on 2007-12-10 10:42 PM
I have no problem nor take any issue with the government workers or those who work for agencies that have to try to enforce some of the silliness that has been legislated.
What I DO take issue with is: the USDA itself cooking up such a blatant invasion of privacy and huge appropriation of taxpayer's money for such a stupid idea.
To your first point, wouldn't it make more sense to eliminate the silliness. Witch would eliminate the need to enforce the silliness, resulting in a smaller government.
To your second point if we don't create it, we don't have to eliminate it.
Posted 2007-12-11 7:35 AM (#72766 - in reply to #72764) Subject: RE: Own Animals? Heard of NAIS?
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I'm not the one arguing these points,these are just my thoughts/feelings and responses to those who are.I'm in 100% agreement about preventing it,but,in a lot of states it's already been passed.
Posted 2007-12-11 8:54 PM (#72793 - in reply to #72640) Subject: RE: Own Animals? Heard of NAIS?
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Interesting situation; the feds say we must register our horses in order to protect the food supply chain.....but hey, no slaughtering horses for food....typical fed logic.......
Posted 2007-12-18 12:56 PM (#73100 - in reply to #72640) Subject: RE: Own Animals? Heard of NAIS?
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An article in (GCN) Government Computer News named "Legislation of the future" states California governer Arnold Schwarzenegger has signed a bill forbidden business to forcibly implant employees with radio frequency identification chips. Other states are Wisconsin, North Dakota and Ohio have signed a simular bill. Test showed that malignant tumors have developed in laboratory animals. RFID is not good - but NAIS is not good either. Maybe we can look at both issues and find a common fighting ground. VeriChip's Web site, www.verichipcorp.com. If I'm wrong! I know your'll let me know.
Posted 2007-12-18 2:55 PM (#73102 - in reply to #73100) Subject: RE: Own Animals? Heard of NAIS?
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Originally written by Frankie001% on 2007-12-18 12:56 PM
Maybe we can look at both issues and find a common fighting ground. VeriChip's Web site, http://www.verichipcorp.com/. If I'm wrong! I know your'll let me know.
I'm confused. Do you support microchipping? It's too Orwellian for me...Whether or not there is a safe(r) method, it still is infriging on your rights, freedoms, and liberties as a citizen of this country, 'specially if this is mandated by old Uncle Sam. Hey, if you want to voluntarily register, microchip, and record all of your creatures (humans included), and notify some unnecessary division of the gov't every time you transport your creature, more power to ya.
Posted 2007-12-18 6:45 PM (#73111 - in reply to #73109) Subject: RE: Own Animals? Heard of NAIS?
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Yes,"comrads" that is exactly right,what Hank is saying.
I'm not in favor of microchipping ANYTHING,myself,or my animals,and reporting to some unseen government agent that has found another way to funnel $$ out of American taxpayers' pockets unnecessarily.Especially when it comes to horses that I'm just keeping in my pasture and trail riding once in a while.For crying out loud!!!! I have a COggins test drawn on them,and they're not used for human consumption in this country anyway,so,what's the big deal?
Same thing going on with the "Right to Ride" bill on the Camp/Trail forum.Here's a bunch of folks,they are usually nature lovers like us,and they don't ride horses,they ride bikes,or hike.Now they come and use the same trails that we're using,often only horse trails for YEARS before,and all of a sudden,they're trying to appropriate the trails as THEIRS with exclusive rights to them,and keep horseback riders off ..None of US are trying to keep them from biking or hiking,so,why should we cave in and let them shove us off with their "it's MINE" attitudes???
Posted 2007-12-18 10:51 PM (#73131 - in reply to #73111) Subject: RE: Own Animals? Heard of NAIS?
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CROWLEYSRIDGEGIRL you are right I and my friends are having the same trouble he hikers,they saying that in the wet season horses should stay out of the state park??? what is the wet season Is this going to be like ice skating red flag no green flag yes
Posted 2007-12-19 8:39 AM (#73139 - in reply to #73111) Subject: RE: Own Animals? Heard of NAIS?
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Originally written by crowleysridgegirl on 2007-12-18 6:45 PM
Same thing going on with the "Right to Ride" bill on the Camp/Trail forum.Here's a bunch of folks,they are usually nature lovers like us,and they don't ride horses,they ride bikes,or hike.Now they come and use the same trails that we're using,often only horse trails for YEARS before,and all of a sudden,they're trying to appropriate the trails as THEIRS with exclusive rights to them,and keep horseback riders off ..None of US are trying to keep them from biking or hiking,so,why should we cave in and let them shove us off with their "it's MINE" attitudes???
Don't even get me started on this topic. Well, you can get me started, but let's not hijack this thread.
Posted 2007-12-20 6:02 PM (#73224 - in reply to #73102) Subject: RE: Own Animals? Heard of NAIS?
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Originally written by Hank on 2007-12-18 2:55 AM
infriging on your rights, freedoms, and liberties as a citizen of this country, 'specially if this is mandated by old Uncle Sam. Hey, if you want to voluntarily register, microchip, and record all of your creatures (humans included), and notify some unnecessary division of the gov't every time you transport your creature, more power to ya.
"Papers! Show me your Papers!"
In NM if you cross county lines you have to have travel papers from the state (no coggins, no health papers). You are supposed to have them with you anytime your horse leaves the property, like anyone does that when they are out riding in the desert. THEN the county charges you a "commercial" horse tax because you wouldn't need the travel papers if you wern't taking your horse places and the only reason to move your horse is for business...... right? I couldn't believe it when my 6 and 11yr old kids got tax bills!
Posted 2007-12-29 3:20 PM (#73475 - in reply to #72640) Subject: RE: Own Animals? Heard of NAIS?
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It is voluntary right now. Only to show your horse at 4H shows, county fairs, etc in Illinois next year you will have to give them a premises identification number or you will NOT be able to show. So much for voluntary.
I think it is going to be a very unnecessary inconvenience for all those involved.
Posted 2007-12-29 3:35 PM (#73476 - in reply to #72640) Subject: RE: Own Animals? Heard of NAIS?
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BTW, I really agree with the unnecessary use of our tax dollars for this BS.
If I remember right, we have never had a problem identifying where a diseased livestock came from in the past with the old system. Why make it more difficult for recreational horse people to recreate. Let's face it, most people who show horses do it for a hobby, not for any kind of monetary/business gain. Makes me glad I have no big show plans in my future, but I'd like to putz around at a schooling show or two every now and again or even a county fair, without any additional hassle to myself or the people I board with.
Hmm, perhaps they are looking for tax revenue from backyard people that board horses, but don't report any income from it?
Then again, I solved the Social Security problem. Dump the politicians private social security fund and healthcare program monies into ours and wah lah, now they have to give a care about it. And should, since they've created the problem by dipping their greedy fingers into SS for so long. They should NOT have a separate program from the people they are supposed to be representing, now should they? If it's fair for me, it's fair for them. Especially since, they can draw from SS as well. I know it won't happen, and perhaps it wouldn't solve the whole problem, but would make them care about it a bit more. Sadly it seems, as once they get elected even the best meaning politicians give into the machine, though perhaps some not as deeply as others. Sad really.
Posted 2008-08-01 10:40 AM (#88739 - in reply to #88723) Subject: RE: Own Animals? Heard of NAIS?
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this may be a time for everybody to forget about them, then show up again stronger and ready for them to put this law in to action, keep watching and listening they are not leting this one go ot that easy
Posted 2008-08-01 12:17 PM (#88745 - in reply to #72640) Subject: RE: Own Animals? Heard of NAIS?
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I am sick and tired of NAIS and the rest of the government. I just want to take all the unwanted horses and just sit them at NAIS or with a congressman, or a senator. Then after they get done with them - which will be a wait and watch period. Then have them try to push me. By that time maybe their views will haved changed. I just hope they get the meanest, nastiest, smartest horses around.
Posted 2008-08-01 12:49 PM (#88750 - in reply to #72640) Subject: RE: Own Animals? Heard of NAIS?
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Amen Frankie. Think it would be fun to drive a herd of rank horses thru DC.
As I have said before, the feds are not going to be able to enforce NAIS because they do not have the money for the project. So far, I have not seen a show ask for such information. This is a good issue for passive resistance....do not register.....there is just no way to enforce this stupid idea. In the event someone asks me for this information, I intend to ask them how many $$ they will pay for the horse, or in the alternative, where I can get the animal slaughtered.....since the whole deal is "food safety."