Posted 2007-09-10 9:25 PM (#67625 - in reply to #67510) Subject: RE: Gas Mileage While Towing?
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Your 4 runner will pull probably just about anything.. I'm not knocking that by no means.. But to really get the optimal fuel mileage out of it while you are towing you shouldn't drive the posted speed limit.. The sticker on the window that tells you the mpg is not based on the actual speed limit.. It is based on 55 mph.. Getting a v-shaped nosed on the trailer probably wouldn't make a big enough difference to justify buying one. For your next trip just try it.. Drive 55 to 60 mph for the whole trip regardless if the speed limit is 70 and just see what happens.. You'll probably be suprised. I drove across kansas last year at 60 mph all the way from Missouri to Colorado. I wasn't pulling anything and I got 20mpg. On the way home I drove 80. I only got 17.5mpg. Speed makes a difference.
Posted 2007-09-10 9:28 PM (#67626 - in reply to #67621) Subject: RE: Gas Mileage While Towing?
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Originally written by Dmarr on 2007-09-10 9:47 PM
I didn't get angry at any piece of advice. What upset me was the fact the people were accusing us of driving 75 and YELLING at us to slow down. Yet a couple of posts later other posters said that they too drove 60-65mph while towing horses.
No one yelled at them to SLOW DOWN. I agree my husband should SLOW DOWN. But what was a simple post asking about aerodynamics and gas mileage has turned into a criticism of our driving.
I have tried to get my husband to ride in the back. Believe me, I'm doing all I can to make our horse trailering experiences safe and positive for all involved. I feel lucky that we have the V8 4Runner to tow w/. Before we were using a V6 BMW X5. At least I talked hubby into a V8.
We can't all have huge HD PU trucks w/ super duty this and the perfect axle ratio, etc. etc. In a perfect world, yes. But not in MY world ;o)
Deirdre
Whoa...care to state what you paid for the 4RUNNER or better yet...BMW X5...My guess i that you could have bought a no trim GMC 3500 Duramax for what you paid for either of those vehicles...
Posted 2007-09-10 10:07 PM (#67629 - in reply to #67510) Subject: RE: Gas Mileage While Towing?
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We don't purchase anything new, and whether we can afford a large PU doesn't mean that we want to spend the $$$$ on one.
The SUV's we use to tow w/ are daily drivers. A large PU set up for towing would most likely sit in the driveway as it wouldn't be something we'd want to drive around in the city on a daily basis.
We paid $21,000 for the 4Runner.
We paid $27,000 for the BMW X5, it was a 2001 and had only 11,000 miles on it when we purchaed it approx. 6 yrs. ago. We kept it for several years, selling it when it had 90,000+ miles on it.
Posted 2007-09-11 2:54 PM (#67673 - in reply to #67629) Subject: RE: Gas Mileage While Towing?
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Originally written by Dmarr on 2007-09-10 11:07 PM
We don't purchase anything new, and whether we can afford a large PU doesn't mean that we want to spend the $$$$ on one.
The SUV's we use to tow w/ are daily drivers. A large PU set up for towing would most likely sit in the driveway as it wouldn't be something we'd want to drive around in the city on a daily basis.
We paid $21,000 for the 4Runner.
We paid $27,000 for the BMW X5, it was a 2001 and had only 11,000 miles on it when we purchaed it approx. 6 yrs. ago. We kept it for several years, selling it when it had 90,000+ miles on it.
Deirdre
Good prices on those vehicles...especially the BMW...
A used GM3500 Duramax should be in those price ranges...(do you think I favor a particular model of tow vehicle?)...
Well if you tow regularly...I would think about turning a BIG pickup into one of your daily drivers...
Just so you understand my position...as a Fireman...I have responded to too many trailer accidents where the tow vehicle was overwhelmed...YMMV
Posted 2007-09-11 7:56 PM (#67694 - in reply to #67510) Subject: RE: Gas Mileage While Towing?
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A used 3/4 ton ford or chevy diesel won't cost you much more than 20 - 23K.. Might have 100K miles on it but heck its a diesel.. If you get an extended cab short bed it won't be much longer than a 4 runner.. Plus a diesel isn't bad on fuel if you don't run the dog S__t out of it..
Posted 2007-09-11 9:39 PM (#67712 - in reply to #67510) Subject: RE: Gas Mileage While Towing?
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I get 20 mpg on my 06 Chevy Duramax 2500 HD not hauling anything... Now you put a truck just like it next to it and the same size thats a gas burner. I'll bet a ben franklin your not going to get 20 mpg out of it...
Posted 2007-09-11 9:44 PM (#67713 - in reply to #67712) Subject: RE: Gas Mileage While Towing?
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Your getting better fuel mileage than anyone I know that has a truck newer than 2000. Everyone I've talked to gets 15-18 empty and 11-12 towing. That's what I got with my gasser. If you have some secret to higher fuel mileage pass the info on.
Posted 2007-09-11 9:48 PM (#67714 - in reply to #67510) Subject: RE: Gas Mileage While Towing?
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There is no secret.. Drive the speed limit and don't romp the gas pedal every time you take off.. I drove across kansas this spring at 65mph.. The speed limit was 70 but I didn't care.. I got 20mpg with a 4wd 4 door 2500hd Duramax. Driving home I drove 80 the whole way and got 17mpg.. I am thinking about putting a programmer on it and that should help get a mile or two better..
Posted 2007-09-11 10:13 PM (#67715 - in reply to #67673) Subject: RE: Gas Mileage While Towing?
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Originally written by PaulChristenson on 2007-09-11 3:54 PM
Just so you understand my position...as a Fireman...I have responded to too many trailer accidents where the tow vehicle was overwhelmed...YMMV
Anyhow be safe out there...
lets not get crazy here, we are talking about a 2h trailer. there are NO late model midsize or larger suv's that are going to be "overwhelmed" by 5000 pounds (or even less in this case). the driver might be, but not the truck.........and if so, no larger truck is going to make up for lack of skill.
Posted 2007-09-12 10:34 PM (#67788 - in reply to #67715) Subject: RE: Gas Mileage While Towing?
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Originally written by chadsalt on 2007-09-11 11:13 PM
lets not get crazy here, we are talking about a 2h trailer. there are NO late model midsize or larger suv's that are going to be "overwhelmed" by 5000 pounds (or even less in this case). the driver might be, but not the truck.........and if so, no larger truck is going to make up for lack of skill.
Tow Capacity of a Toyota 4Runner (Maximum) 5000 lbs
So hopefully her rig weighs less...
High speeds lead to smaller margins of safety...proven fact
Posted 2007-09-13 11:43 AM (#67815 - in reply to #67788) Subject: RE: Gas Mileage While Towing?
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Our V8 2 wheel drive 4Runner is rated to tow 7300 lbs with the WDH which we have and tow package installed which we also have, not 5000 lbs. That is the V6.
Our trailer weighs 1900 lbs, we have 2 1000 lbs horses, two saddles, one bale of hay, 1/2 bag of feed, etc.
Anyway we are probably at 5500 lbs max including passengers, etc.
I think the 4Runner does a very good job of towing our small trailer (it has NO dressing room and is very compact in size) and I feel comfortable and safe using it.
Posted 2007-09-13 4:47 PM (#67832 - in reply to #67788) Subject: RE: Gas Mileage While Towing?
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Originally written by PaulChristenson on 2007-09-12 11:34 PM
Originally written by chadsalt on 2007-09-11 11:13 PM
lets not get crazy here, we are talking about a 2h trailer. there are NO late model midsize or larger suv's that are going to be "overwhelmed" by 5000 pounds (or even less in this case). the driver might be, but not the truck.........and if so, no larger truck is going to make up for lack of skill.
Tow Capacity of a Toyota 4Runner (Maximum) 5000 lbs
So hopefully her rig weighs less...
High speeds lead to smaller margins of safety...proven fact
as the op has stated the towing capacity is much more than 5000#.
and yes, "High speeds lead to smaller margins of safety...proven fact" who is arguing that? but speed is also relative, within context of this discussion. i see you claim vermont.....ever been out west? 75 mph is "gettin it" while towing (with ANY rig) as far as im concerned, but i have no problem doing it if traffic is light.
Posted 2007-09-13 5:05 PM (#67833 - in reply to #67510) Subject: RE: Gas Mileage While Towing?
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Chadsalt, thanks for your perspective. I totally agree!
The day we hauled 700 miles and went 70mph at times, we were in Timbuktoo and were the ONLY people on the road. We were driving from Dallas, TX to Shiner, TX and once we got out of the DFW Metroplex, we had the roads to ouselves.
I agree that if you are on a straight road, by yourself, there is no reason you can't go a little faster as long as it's not wet, nighttime, foggy, etc. But on a clear, dry day why not?
I understand that a deer or dog or whatever might jump out in front of you, BUT are you really any better off if you are travelling at 60mph vrs. 70mph? You still can't stop and you're going to hit the deer or the dog, or whatever.
I'm not advocating speeding along in city traffic!! That would be nuts!
Posted 2007-09-13 5:55 PM (#67834 - in reply to #67510) Subject: RE: Gas Mileage While Towing?
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One more thought.........I had to laugh when I read where several people said that the semis 'wouldn't run us over' because they have set speed limits which are lower then what is posted for 4-wheelers. HA HA!
I don't know where these people live but the truckers in Texas do NOT drive the speed limit! They drive as fast as they can get away with, with 80-90mph NOT unusual.
I am MOST terrified when I see a semi coming up behind me, then pulling around me to blow by. I feel like I'm going to be sucked into their wake! It's esp. terrifying when I've got the horse trailer. When the semi trucks blow by it feels like a tornado!
Posted 2007-09-13 8:07 PM (#67837 - in reply to #67834) Subject: RE: Gas Mileage While Towing?
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I've lived in Tx most of my life and have never had that problem. Of course I avoid going through the large cities whenever I can. Most of my driving is hwy or freeway.
Posted 2007-09-13 8:16 PM (#67838 - in reply to #67832) Subject: RE: Gas Mileage While Towing?
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Originally written by chadsalt on 2007-09-13 5:47 P
as the op has stated the towing capacity is much more than 5000#.
and yes, "High speeds lead to smaller margins of safety...proven fact" who is arguing that? but speed is also relative, within context of this discussion. i see you claim vermont.....ever been out west? 75 mph is "gettin it" while towing (with ANY rig) as far as im concerned, but i have no problem doing it if traffic is light.
Yes I've hauled from Colorado to Ohio corridor...the Dakotas to Ohio corridor...Yeah...I've even gone thru IOWA...
65 mph * 10 hours = 650 miles traveled
70 mph * 10 hours = 700 miles traveled
For an extra 50 miles...you've got more risks, more wear and tear on your vehicle and more expense for fuel...
Not to mention speed on trailer tires...ST are rated for 65 mph
Posted 2007-09-13 8:43 PM (#67841 - in reply to #67838) Subject: RE: Gas Mileage While Towing?
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Originally written by PaulChristenson on 2007-09-13 9:16 PM
Originally written by chadsalt on 2007-09-13 5:47 P
as the op has stated the towing capacity is much more than 5000#.
and yes, "High speeds lead to smaller margins of safety...proven fact" who is arguing that? but speed is also relative, within context of this discussion. i see you claim vermont.....ever been out west? 75 mph is "gettin it" while towing (with ANY rig) as far as im concerned, but i have no problem doing it if traffic is light.
Yes I've hauled from Colorado to Ohio corridor...the Dakotas to Ohio corridor...Yeah...I've even gone thru IOWA...
65 mph * 10 hours = 650 miles traveled
70 mph * 10 hours = 700 miles traveled
For an extra 50 miles...you've got more risks, more wear and tear on your vehicle and more expense for fuel...
Not to mention speed on trailer tires...ST are rated for 65 mph
For me, I'll slow down...YMMV
i guess we could discuss "risks" forever. its all about ones comfort level. it is a "risk" just driving to work around here. when you stop and think about it, shoving a 1/2" piece of metal in the mouth of a 1000 pound then jumping on their back is a pretty big risk also, probably bordering on asinine.
i run the speed limit, conditions permitting. some choose not to. who is right? no proof either way. i dont care about "wear and tear" on my truck or mpg. this is an expensive hobby anyhow you cut it, im not going to sweat the small stuff. when this truck wears out, if i keep it that long, i will buy another one. when the fuel tank runs empty, i fill it. yes ST tires are rated to 65 mph, but im not the only one who has run many, many miles at speeds over that. and there are always LT tires.
Posted 2007-09-13 8:53 PM (#67843 - in reply to #67834) Subject: RE: Gas Mileage While Towing?
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Originally written by Dmarr on 2007-09-13 6:55 PM
I am MOST terrified when I see a semi coming up behind me, then pulling around me to blow by. I feel like I'm going to be sucked into their wake! It's esp. terrifying when I've got the horse trailer. When the semi trucks blow by it feels like a tornado!
Deirdre
you will get used to that "feeling". when i was teaching my wife to tow i spent a fair amount of time driving around big rigs to demonstrate she was not going to die. not that i would recommend it, but to show her that you can survive actually in the "bow wave" if necessary. i drive a tractor trailer for a living, so i guess that makes me a little better at the vehicular foreplay. you get used to only having inches between rigs. she never got fully comfortable around the big trucks but she is far better than when she started.
Posted 2007-09-14 10:10 PM (#67900 - in reply to #67510) Subject: RE: Gas Mileage While Towing?
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This is from Goodyear...
IMPORTANT OPERATING INFORMATION
Industry standards dictate that tires with the ST (Special Trailer) designation are speed restricted to 65 mph under normal inflation and load conditions, unless a different speed restriction is indicated on the sidewall of the tire.
Based on industry standards, if tires with the ST designation are used at speeds between 66 and 75 mph, it is necessary to increase the cold inflation pressures by 10 psi above the recommended pressure for the load.
• Do not exceed the maximum pressure for the wheel.
Note>>>• If the maximum pressure for the wheel prohibits the increase of air pressure, then the maximum speed must be restricted to 65 mph.
• The cold inflation pressure must not exceed 10 psi beyond the inflation specified for the maximum load of the tire.