Posted 2006-10-26 10:11 AM (#50655 - in reply to #50647) Subject: RE: Did they fix the Ford 6.0?
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Originally written by hav2ride on 2006-10-26 7:10 AM
It was a 2005 and I know how to drive a truck and trailer. My husband drove trucks and 2 of my best friends drove tractor trailers and taught me how to drive. I know how to watch the rpms, turbo pressure, yada, yada. BTW, there were no add ons other than cosmetic and an a aux fuel tank. I have talked to others that have had the same trouble with their Fords. I have also talked to some who are fairly happy. My main issue is how Ford handled the situation. They refused to do anything but repair it. That is not much consolation when you consistently break down 2 days from home with horses on a trailer!
WELL ANSWERED THAT QUESTION,IT'S LIKE TRAILERS,YA FIND A GOOD DEALER AND THEN HEAR ABOUT BAD DEALERS.
Posted 2006-10-26 11:00 AM (#50660 - in reply to #50380) Subject: RE: Did they fix the Ford 6.0?
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I hope I dont jinx it, I just turned over a 100,000 miles on my 2005 Stroker 6.0 and all I have had to do is replace my starter at around the 90,000 mile mark. This truck also has a 3H GN Charmac Trailer about 60% of the time, I travel thru all the southwest including Colorado with some pretty steep grades. My old man owns a service repair facility and he says they all have their problems. I guess mine was made on a teus. thru thurs.
Posted 2006-10-26 6:48 PM (#50689 - in reply to #50660) Subject: RE: Did they fix the Ford 6.0?
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Posts: 1205 Location: Danielsville Georgia
CHEVALNOIR. Did you post a question on THEDIESELSTOP forum requarding you intial post/question? They kinda got a cat fight going between the ones with all the issues verus the few with only minimun issues and the ones in denial.
Posted 2006-10-26 8:19 PM (#50700 - in reply to #50380) Subject: RE: Did they fix the Ford 6.0?
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Posts: 335 Location: Decatur, Texas
Not about Ford 6.0 but about way Ford handles complaints. Bought a new 76 Ford PU w/ 460 and C6 trans that would jump out of park into reverse. After complaints and 3 separate dealers, I filed a formal complaint with National Transportation Safety Board. Ford flew a tech from Detroit to my local dealer to test drive. He as much as told me that I was a dumbass and didn't know how to drive, that I was not pushing the lever far enough to engage the pawl in the trans. Then Ford mailed a bright red sticker form me to place on the dash stating "Caution-Do not leave vehicle unattended while idling in park" Ford was right, I was a dumbass for owning a Ford. There were several other people owning same trans model that were killed or injured by same actions. Wonder why I bought a GM afterwards and stayed with them?
Posted 2006-10-27 5:14 AM (#50709 - in reply to #50380) Subject: RE: Did they fix the Ford 6.0?
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Posts: 1205 Location: Danielsville Georgia
Been a peroblem over the years with a number of vehicles.Old Ford in the 70s did the same thing and 03/04/05 Dodge trucks.The repairs on them are lame.Horn honks if in reverse drivers door opened.
Posted 2006-10-27 10:50 AM (#50721 - in reply to #50380) Subject: RE: Did they fix the Ford 6.0?
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Back to Chevalnoir's original question: Did Ford "fix" the problems with the 6.0? Everyone points to the 6.4L engine coming out as proof the 6.0 was a failure. As has been pointed out, there are lots of us with 6.0L's that are happy with them, have had no problems. I think the truth of the matter is the 6.4L was brought up to address the new Ultra Low Sulfer Diesel that's coming out in 2007 and address new mileage and emission constraints. Yeah I know, I'm putting on my flame suit in anticipation of the "Ford is bad" and "The 6.0 sucks" comments.
Posted 2006-10-27 1:31 PM (#50726 - in reply to #50721) Subject: RE: Did they fix the Ford 6.0?
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Originally written by headhunter on 2006-10-27 10:50 AM
Back to Chevalnoir's original question: Did Ford "fix" the problems with the 6.0? Everyone points to the 6.4L engine coming out as proof the 6.0 was a failure. As has been pointed out, there are lots of us with 6.0L's that are happy with them, have had no problems. I think the truth of the matter is the 6.4L was brought up to address the new Ultra Low Sulfer Diesel that's coming out in 2007 and address new mileage and emission constraints. Yeah I know, I'm putting on my flame suit in anticipation of the "Ford is bad" and "The 6.0 sucks" comments.
no flame here, but there was rumor of the 6.4 way to early for it to be for the new ulsd. all that r & d wasted on the 6.0 and starting over for the 6.4? the "basic" dmax was not scrapped, only adapted. the cummins???
Posted 2006-10-27 2:07 PM (#50727 - in reply to #50721) Subject: RE: Did they fix the Ford 6.0?
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Originally written by headhunter on 2006-10-27 10:50 AM
Back to Chevalnoir's original question: Did Ford "fix" the problems with the 6.0? Everyone points to the 6.4L engine coming out as proof the 6.0 was a failure. As has been pointed out, there are lots of us with 6.0L's that are happy with them, have had no problems. I think the truth of the matter is the 6.4L was brought up to address the new Ultra Low Sulfer Diesel that's coming out in 2007 and address new mileage and emission constraints. Yeah I know, I'm putting on my flame suit in anticipation of the "Ford is bad" and "The 6.0 sucks" comments.
"Lots of us" being a relatively small sample size.
Someone posted here that they have one with 65K miles and another one with 10K miles, no problems so far, but that is a meaningless sample.
The bulletin boards represent MUCH larger samples and are therefore more likely to reflect the probability that any one individual will be stuck with a Lemon from company X(Y or Z). Yes, even normalising for the additional volume of trucks that Ford sells.
Quality is clearly NOT job number 1 at Ford and hasn't been for quite some time now.
The Windsor 351 was a different story, so were the first generation Mustangs - happy daze indeed.
Here's a meaningless game with statistics for you;
I play golf sometimes, more accurately I play "at" golf.
Once in a while I get a par, once in a very great while I get a birdie.
Clearly I can make the shots, so I should be able to get a birdie on EVERY hole, EVERY time, right ?
18 under on a par 72 course ?
Sure, BIG MONEY if I could score 54s most week-ends, ANYTHING under 60 would do quite nicely (-:
{It isn't about once in a while quality, it is about repeatable quality.}
Posted 2006-10-27 2:23 PM (#50730 - in reply to #50700) Subject: RE: Did they fix the Ford 6.0?
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Posts: 2828 Location: Southern New Mexico
I had a 76 F100 that would jump out of park. My dad didn't believe me and thought I was nuts for carrying tire chocks until he borrowed it to move. He parked it on the street with out the chocks and in the morning it was gone. He called the police and when they got there they informed him that the truck was at the end of the street halfway through someones garage door. It wasn't much of a hill, but oviously enough to get it rolling.
I didn't realize that it was a "problem" and not just my truck.
Posted 2006-10-27 2:32 PM (#50733 - in reply to #50721) Subject: RE: Did they fix the Ford 6.0?
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I heard a while back on the Dieselstop that the dual turbo was to try to fix the fact that the 6.0 turbos were always failing. We shall see. Maybe both turbos will blow.
Posted 2006-10-27 2:40 PM (#50735 - in reply to #50380) Subject: RE: Did they fix the Ford 6.0?
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Just have to wait and see.Add that to cracked Chevy heads and cracked cylinders on Cummins coupled with their bad injection pumps,but.....It's like huntin sometimes you eat the bear sometimes the bear eats you!
Posted 2006-10-27 2:58 PM (#50739 - in reply to #50735) Subject: RE: Did they fix the Ford 6.0?
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Posts: 544 Location: Claxton, Ga.
On the Dodge you are talking about the 53 blocks that would crack, and the VP44's that would go out. Both of these were in the first 24 valve trucks. The new 3rd Gen has been perty good. Do have a few people with injector issues. Some people think it is because of the pressure boxes they use and others think it is because of the need for better filtration (fuel filters). I have the 48re and have not done the recall. It's stupid and I don't want to do it. I don't leave the truck running (wastes fuel) and if I do I use the E-brake. Yes, every brand has their quirks. I hope people driving Fords, Chevys, and Dodges have good luck with their trucks. Each one will kick out a turd truck from time to time. Ford has just done it more than the other two the last 3 years.
Posted 2006-10-27 3:36 PM (#50744 - in reply to #50380) Subject: RE: Did they fix the Ford 6.0?
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One band-aid after another. Ford had a perfectly good engine in the 7.3L, they just needed to tweek it for more HP and torque to keep pace in the diesel wars. Most 7.3L owners that feel the need for more power can upgrade injectors or chip the truck and voila...more power than the 6.0 with the reliability of the 7.3L. The 6.0 is quieter.
Posted 2006-10-28 10:02 AM (#50766 - in reply to #50742) Subject: RE: Did they fix the Ford 6.0?
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"One of the MAIN reasons of twin tubo's on the 6.4 is the 6.0 made poor low end power.It was lacking low end grunt."I didn't find that my 450 lacked power at all, including low end. In fact, it had tremendous power, when it would run! I have "heard" that the twin turbos idea is to try to rectify the blowing single turbo. There is just too much pressure on the single turbo. I actually started carrying around a spare turbo clamp! I was lucky though. At leasst I didn't blow out the turbo itself like a lot of others did.
Posted 2006-10-28 10:33 AM (#50767 - in reply to #50380) Subject: RE: Did they fix the Ford 6.0?
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The automatic 6 speed torqueshift trans basicly splits 1st and 2nd gear to get a load moving.The manual 6 speed version had the biggest compliant about no low power like a Cummins etc. 6.0 makes peak torque further up the power range then a Cummins and slightly higher then a D/max. I've read a number of posts about eaither having to jump on the clutch or really get into the rpm range to get big loads moving. Like moving round bales out of fields etc.The Cummins will walk at idle slow when its needed.The twin turbo is to help make more usable power over a broader rpm range.
Posted 2006-10-30 9:12 AM (#50811 - in reply to #50739) Subject: RE: Did they fix the Ford 6.0?
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Originally written by Spooler on 2006-10-27 2:58 PM
On the Dodge you are talking about the 53 blocks that would crack, and the VP44's that would go out. Both of these were in the first 24 valve trucks. The new 3rd Gen has been perty good. Do have a few people with injector issues. Some people think it is because of the pressure boxes they use and others think it is because of the need for better filtration (fuel filters). I have the 48re and have not done the recall. It's stupid and I don't want to do it. I don't leave the truck running (wastes fuel) and if I do I use the E-brake. Yes, every brand has their quirks.
I hope people driving Fords, Chevys, and Dodges have good luck with their trucks. Each one will kick out a turd truck from time to time. Ford has just done it more than the other two the last 3 years.
Posted 2006-10-30 9:58 AM (#50819 - in reply to #50380) Subject: RE: Did they fix the Ford 6.0?
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Maybe because so many 6.0s fell apart.Even on the Ford sites they always say buying a 6.0 is a big crap shoot.Its been PROVEN that the 6.0 was a huge exspensive headache for everyone involved in them.Its a fact not because theres a lot of them.
Posted 2006-10-30 12:42 PM (#50843 - in reply to #50380) Subject: RE: Did they fix the Ford 6.0?
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Cripes, instead of whining about repeated failures on these pickups, why not buy one of these?http://www.horsetrailerworld.com/home/truckdetail.asp?ID=3041(rummaging through pockets for more change)
Did they fix the Ford 6.0?
on my 2005 Stroker 6.0 and all I have had to do is replace my starter at around the 90,000 mile mark. This truck also has a 3H GN Charmac Trailer about 60% of the time, I travel thru all the southwest including Colorado with some pretty steep grades. My old man owns a service repair facility and he says they all have their problems. I guess mine was made on a teus. thru thurs. 
Not about Ford 6.0 but about way Ford handles complaints. Bought a new 76 Ford PU w/ 460 and C6 trans that would jump out of park into reverse. After complaints and 3 separate dealers, I filed a formal complaint with National Transportation Safety Board. Ford flew a tech from Detroit to my local dealer to test drive. He as much as told me that I was a dumbass and didn't know how to drive, that I was not pushing the lever far enough to engage the pawl in the trans. Then Ford mailed a bright red sticker form me to place on the dash stating "Caution-Do not leave vehicle unattended while idling in park" Ford was right, I was a dumbass for owning a Ford. There were several other people owning same trans model that were killed or injured by same actions. Wonder why I bought a GM afterwards and stayed with them?
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