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HOGMAN
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2005-04-22 1:12 PM (#24176 - in reply to #24171)
Subject: RE: towing regulations regarding brakes/weight issues


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If I read you correctly, the class A license your talking about in North Carolina is not a class A CDL. Does NC have classes of license for non-commercial drivers, and what is the state's position on out of state vehicles/drivers?
Planning on going thru NC pulling a trailer that don't weigh 10000 but certainly is rated for more than that hauling Harleys not horses. Any info will be appreciated, thanks.
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Annie O
Reg. Apr 2005
Posted 2005-04-22 1:13 PM (#24177 - in reply to #24174)
Subject: RE: towing regulations regarding brakes/weight issues


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Thanks for the input and I 'absolutely' agree. I felt a little sucker punched last night, but now understand the frustration w/ ignorance on the part of those responding. I'll ck out the thread you included and many thanks!
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Annie O
Reg. Apr 2005
Posted 2005-04-22 1:18 PM (#24178 - in reply to #24176)
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According to what I've found, you can get the details at www.aaa.com/aaa/traveler/trailer.html.....
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hosspuller
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2005-04-22 1:40 PM (#24179 - in reply to #24176)
Subject: RE: towing regulations regarding brakes/weight issues


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Originally written by HOGMAN on 2005-04-22 2:12 AM

If I read you correctly, the class A license your talking about in North Carolina is not a class A CDL. Does NC have classes of license for non-commercial drivers, and what is the state's position on out of state vehicles/drivers? Planning on going thru NC pulling a trailer that don't weigh 10000 but certainly is rated for more than that hauling Harleys not horses. Any info will be appreciated, thanks.

The NC Class "A" license I posted about  is NOT a CDL.   So yes, NC has several classes of licenses for non-commercial drivers.  (regular car license is class "C")

I would think if you're legal in your state of registration, you would be okay in NC

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MrTruck
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2005-04-22 2:00 PM (#24180 - in reply to #24137)
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We do appreciate Hosspuller on this forum. He's our voice of reason. How long have you been here, 6-7 years, Hosspuller?
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hosspuller
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2005-04-22 3:52 PM (#24192 - in reply to #24180)
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Originally written by MrTruck on 2005-04-22 3:00 AM

We do appreciate Hosspuller on this forum. He's our voice of reason. How long have you been here, 6-7 years, Hosspuller?

 Thanks for the compliment... I was only on the old forum maybe a year before the new forum.  But time flies when you're having fun ...

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FTguy
Reg. Dec 2003
Posted 2005-04-22 5:08 PM (#24194 - in reply to #24137)
Subject: RE: towing regulations regarding brakes/weight issues




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Also, here in Illinois, if you are from out of the state and plan to unload your horses here, your vet needs to call in to the State of Illinois to get a permit number. It is free, but it allows the state to track where events are or where horses will be unloaded. If your caught with out it, bring lots of cash!

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Ardly
Reg. Aug 2004
Posted 2005-04-23 12:30 AM (#24209 - in reply to #24137)
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Hello Everyone,
Not to advocate the things that people do in the way of towing thier horses or other things (lawnmowers, atv's,etc.) but to comment on the availabilty of the correct information regarding the laws and regulations
of doing so.
I personally have searched for the correct information regarding these issues on my own and from this forrum and have yet to find the info. that I needed. I've even searched from the two recomended sites in this post with no luck. One site would not load and the other was giving me info. as to a r.v. with a rather low weight rating.
As I mentioned previously thats no excuse for some of the trailering habits that I observe folks doing.
It says that the information is'nt as easily attained as it should be.
I'm personally interested in info. regarding trailering with a 4-horse sundowner with a gwr of 12200# in the state of Ms.,crossing state lines into Tennessee and what laws apply when I do (Ms. OR TN.).
Not only have these subjects been hard to address but also the health issues seem to be another one thats not going to come easy.
An example being when I asked a local Vet about the requirment of a certificate of health for traveling to Tn. She really seemed unfamiliar with these requirements and suggested that I contact someone at the park in which I would be going (Natchez Trace State Park).
Not to take away from the folks at the park but this really seems to be a D.O.T. issue and not the park service.
My point being that as a Vet. I felt as tho she should have been familiar with these requirements and whomever I would speak to with the park service may know or may not but will likely tell me something be it fact or not. I would appreciate if anyone knows a site that has this kind of info. to please post the sites where it can be located.
Thanks, Ardly
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Reg
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2005-04-23 8:10 AM (#24218 - in reply to #24209)
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Originally written by Ardly on 2005-04-23 12:30 AM

Hello Everyone,
Not to advocate the things that people do in the way of towing thier horses or other things (lawnmowers, atv's,etc.) but to comment on the availabilty of the correct information regarding the laws and regulations
of doing so.
I personally have searched for the correct information regarding these issues on my own and from this forrum and have yet to find the info. that I needed. I've even searched from the two recomended sites in this post with no luck. One site would not load and the other was giving me info. as to a r.v. with a rather low weight rating.
As I mentioned previously thats no excuse for some of the trailering habits that I observe folks doing.
It says that the information is'nt as easily attained as it should be.
I'm personally interested in info. regarding trailering with a 4-horse sundowner with a gwr of 12200# in the state of Ms.,crossing state lines into Tennessee and what laws apply when I do (Ms. OR TN.).
Not only have these subjects been hard to address but also the health issues seem to be another one thats not going to come easy.
An example being when I asked a local Vet about the requirment of a certificate of health for traveling to Tn. She really seemed unfamiliar with these requirements and suggested that I contact someone at the park in which I would be going (Natchez Trace State Park).
Not to take away from the folks at the park but this really seems to be a D.O.T. issue and not the park service.
My point being that as a Vet. I felt as tho she should have been familiar with these requirements and whomever I would speak to with the park service may know or may not but will likely tell me something be it fact or not. I would appreciate if anyone knows a site that has this kind of info. to please post the sites where it can be located.
Thanks, Ardly



Hi Ardly,
Here's a useful travel page that addresses some of your questions about crossing State lines:
http://www.horsetrip.com/
On the right hand side, under "Site Map", go down to the fourth item, "State Requirements", that should get you to:
http://www.horsetrip.com/requirements.html
I guess Montana and Rhode Island requirements cover everything else, though I think someone posted that you need a permit to unload in Illinois, so this table may be not perfect.
To be THOROUGH about it you may have to approach State (and even County (and even Park)) authorities directly. Not eveything is published on the web, not all of what is published on the web is easy to find.
I've posted the vehicle regulation links in this forum fairly recently, at least the federal ones that seem to matter. I don't know of a State by State listing for license class by GVxxx - anyone wanna project ? (-:

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M&R
Reg. Nov 2003
Posted 2005-04-23 12:40 PM (#24226 - in reply to #24137)
Subject: RE: towing regulations regarding brakes/weight issues


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I just wanted to add this. I understand its not what you are looking for Annie O. I have a SC DL and on the back of my license it states... vehicles not exceeding 26,000 lbs GVW. Its a class D, with no other class options listed.

I dont understand the NC state law for RV towing, it says max weight 1000 #s ?

Then theres a max speed, in NC of 65. On hwy 29 N the speed limit is 70. Would we get a ticket for going 70? I know in CA they have signs for tow vehicles 55 is the max speed.

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Terri
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2005-04-23 3:13 PM (#24230 - in reply to #24209)
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I had a hard time finding the info that I needed to make a trip from TX to NM.  I contacted DPS and the State troupers directly and asked who had the info.  The DPS office answered all my quiestions except the health paperwork on the horses.  He said the dogs and cats had to have a valid rabies certificate and that he thought in NM you had to have special travel papers issued by the state and gave me some numbers to try.  They were very helpful.  I asked my vet how to find out what I needed to take the horses across state lines (I figured he should know since he races too) and he said that when I would need a health certificate and they would call the state (NM) to find out what shots,etc. were required.
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Reg
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2005-04-24 7:29 AM (#24238 - in reply to #24230)
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I've seen a sign at the side of the road that says (paraphrased):
All hay entering (county name) must have a certificate of origin and is subject to inspection. I think it also said something about fines and an imprisonment schedule for non-compliance.

So even if your vehicles and animals are in compliance you can still have problems with the transportation of feed at the county, town, or village level. I don't know how you can get your hay inspected at 9pm on a sunday night, just that you COULD get a ticket and/or jail time (-:
Researching EVERY regulation and getting EVERY permit and inspection along your route could take a LOT of work and may be impractical, though not impossible.
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chadsalt
Reg. Nov 2004
Posted 2005-04-24 9:15 AM (#24242 - in reply to #24137)
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guess ill just stay home, ride around the yard maybe?
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MrTruck
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2005-04-24 3:17 PM (#24247 - in reply to #24137)
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I've got it, RV folks don't get hassled like horse folks. We just die our hair gray, (already there) buy a 5th wheel RV shell gutted out. Preferably a "toy hauler" with a rear ramp. Then leave the front bedroom over the neck and the kitchen, then install the horse stalls with vent ducts doing out the ceiling. Since the trailers are 8' wide and have 3 slide-outs, there will be room enough for hay and enough room to turn horses around to walk out the rear ramp. Should be room enough for the golf carts too. Then just wave as you drive by the DOT weigh stations. No more gooseneck safety chains to unhook, you can stay overnight at Walmart and SamsClub and Camping World.

Disclaimer: this is not legal advice nor attempt to fraud the ding dongs, (I mean non trailering types whom regulate the trailering types) in charge of state to state transportation, nor is it criticism of the national CDL laws that the individual states seem to ignore in favor of their own complicated, misleading, contradicting rules concerning non-semi-trucks towing trailers, except RV's. Those law makers do own RV's.

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M&R
Reg. Nov 2003
Posted 2005-04-24 8:55 PM (#24250 - in reply to #24137)
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After reading some of the post on RV.NET's web site, something needs to be done about there setups. Here is one of the setups listed on the forum.
2002 Chevy 1500HD.....6.0, 4x4, Crew Cab 4.10
31BHS Jay Flight.........Westin Nurfs/Grill
PIAA Lights.................Equil-i-zer (love it)
15,000 loaded to the gills

This might be a good setup or maybe they have a 2500HD and just put 1500. but thats alot of trailer 32' and almost 10,000#s for a 1/2 ton truck.

and we have to share the road with these people.
Do they have weight rules for for RVs?

 

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chadsalt
Reg. Nov 2004
Posted 2005-04-24 9:56 PM (#24251 - in reply to #24137)
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i believe the 1500hd is rated to tow about 10000 with a GCWR of 15000 or 16000. besides the chances of getting hit by the moron talking on the cell phone are a lot greater than the guy that might be over weight running you over.   and the rules are the same.



Edited by chadsalt 2005-04-24 10:05 PM
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Terri
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2005-04-25 2:43 PM (#24288 - in reply to #24247)
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That is exactly what I told my husband I wanted to do.  Why have a horse trailer and RV?  Just get the toy hauler RV and use it for the horses too.  When we aren't taking the horses, we can use it for other stuff.  He looked at me like I was insane!!  Well, I might be but I'll never tell.
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Traillady
Reg. Sep 2004
Posted 2005-04-26 7:15 AM (#24309 - in reply to #24288)
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I'm curious about toy haulers. Are they durable enough to haul horses especially to more primitive areas? Does anyone have one that hauls horses? Thanks.
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Reg
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Posted 2005-04-26 7:20 AM (#24310 - in reply to #24309)
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Originally written by Traillady on 2005-04-26 7:15 AM

I'm curious about toy haulers. Are they durable enough to haul horses especially to more primitive areas? Does anyone have one that hauls horses? Thanks.


At a guess: NO.
By the time you did a "conversion" it would probably be more expensive than a real horse trailer, without the corresponding resale value )-:
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MrTruck
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2005-04-26 12:02 PM (#24332 - in reply to #24137)
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I was kidding about converting an RV to a horse trailer. Just trying to show the prejudices between trailer categories and how trailer laws are targeting horse trailers and ignoring the RV trailers, whom are used by more first time less experienced towers, especially now that baby boomers are retiring and exploding the RV industry. Toy haulers are built somewhat better than an average 5th wheel. But most RV trailers still use shackle springs and aren’t built to contain a large moving animal. They are also taller, attract more wind and aren’t designed to be towed every day. While this is improving, most RV trailers were built for retired conservative folks on fixed incomes. So manufacturing costs has been unbelievable tight. Look at the step up handles on a travel trailer sometime, or any fixture compared to a LQ on a horse trailer.

 

If you ever see an RV trailer that’s been in an accident, take a look at it. There usually isn’t much left. Horse trailers in general are built dramatically better than an RV. But at times the ATV fuel tank filler and winch on a Toy Hauler would come in handy. Maybe we just need to change the name and call horse trailers, “Horse Recreational Vehicle” HRV.

 

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Traillady
Reg. Sep 2004
Posted 2005-04-26 12:24 PM (#24334 - in reply to #24332)
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I figured they were not structurally made for some of the abuse a horse trailer gets. Someone (a non horse person) mentioned a toy hauler to me since I'm shopping for LQ's. I've never seen one used to haul horses. Any rv I've ever been in, no way would I haul my horses. We cut a ride short because my parents travel trailer was getting beat to death on some of the backroads we had to go on.
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Terri
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Posted 2005-04-26 4:24 PM (#24349 - in reply to #24332)
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That's what I figured.  Maybe they should start making horse trailers that look more like RV's. 
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roadranger
Reg. Oct 2005
Posted 2005-10-11 2:27 PM (#31585 - in reply to #24288)
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Originally written by Terri on 2005-04-25 1:43 PM

That is exactly what I told my husband I wanted to do. Why have a horse trailer and RV? Just get the toy hauler RV and use it for the horses too. When we aren't taking the horses, we can use it for other stuff. He looked at me like I was insane!! Well, I might be but I'll never tell.
Funny you should mention that...I'm looking to purchase a new LQ horse trailer to use as a toy hauler! Just have to find one with nice enough LQ to please the wife.Why go to a horse trailer for a toy hauler?1.Better/stronger/longer lasting build compared to the stick and staple RV's2.Lower overall height for better wind resistance3.Higher resale valueGuess I might be crazy too!
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farmbabe
Reg. Nov 2003
Posted 2005-10-11 8:23 PM (#31604 - in reply to #24137)
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I hauled out of the state for the first time this past summer- to illinois in march and indiana in June ( from Mi) I had interstate health papers from my vet, plus Coggins. I did not stop at any weigh stations. I drove to the show grounds and went home. I was never stopped at any point. I was not stopped at state lines. I was not stopped at truck stops. I did see state and local police and I was never stopped by them. I have a 3/4 T truck and a 3 H GN with LQ. Its not huge but big enough to notice. Is the rig over weight? I don't know. Are my brakes legal? I don't know. Is my license legal for the rig? I don't know. I do know that after two out of state hauls nothing happened to make me think otherwise.
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M&R
Reg. Nov 2003
Posted 2005-10-11 9:07 PM (#31608 - in reply to #24137)
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We have hauled from CA to NC. (2 horses, 3 dogs, 2 birds, 3 cats all in the horse trailer WE WERE MOVING BTW!!) We stopped in AZ at a weight station. We found out that because our rig was not for hire we did not need to stop at any weight stations.

Going into CA was hard to enter a few years ago. Now I guess the state does not check as many vehicles. However, to enter CA in any vehicle you are required to have vet papers on animals. We never had any problems but they were always asking where we were going, where we had just came from, and what we were carrying with us. Last year when we would enter CA from AZ, they did not have any one working the stations for personal vehicles. I guess budget cutbacks.

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