Posted 2011-07-25 4:01 PM (#136074 - in reply to #136072) Subject: RE: Horse slaughter- another view LONG!
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It's illegal to sell horse meat in the US. USDA stamp and inspection is required on any meat for sale. You won't be able to find a safe, legal source.Did you know that about a dozen commonly used horse drugs are toxic to humans and are banned for use in any animal who might go to slaughter? Take bute for example. It can cause aplastic anemia and liver damage. There is no safe withdrawal time. I would not feed horsemeat to my dogs, much less to my family.
Posted 2011-07-25 4:28 PM (#136075 - in reply to #135967) Subject: RE: Horse slaughter- another view LONG!
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Slaughter Houses are a necessary evil.. It is your right to agree or disagree..
They are not slaughtered just to eliminate them like dogs and cats, they help with the survival of other animals. The meat is processed, packed, and shipped to feed others..
Posted 2011-07-25 4:37 PM (#136076 - in reply to #135967) Subject: RE: Horse slaughter- another view LONG!
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No USDa stamp required on taking your own to the slaughter plant; or sell one to another individual and they can get it slaughtered with no USDA stamp. To me there is really no difference in Beef,Buffalo, Vension, horse,rattlesnake.alligator. Meat is meat just the notion of a lot of city people that has not been raised on a farm. Cattle has the same type of drugs going into their system. Batril and other antibiotics. You can have all the beef that has a USDA inspection, I wouldn't touch it. I know what has went into my beef. So the next time you are chowing down on a good ol Angus Burger at your favorite resturant just think it could have come from an ol wore out cow that had prolaps and been placed back and the got rid of. Yum Yum
Posted 2011-07-25 5:06 PM (#136078 - in reply to #136075) Subject: RE: Horse slaughter- another view LONG!
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If you'd like me to agree with them being "necessary", please explain why.
Abuse and neglect does not increase when slaughter is less conveniently available. The price of horses has not be protected by slaughter (GAO report). With so many other ways to deal with a horse one cannot keep (sale, lease, giveaway, donation, or euthanasia), why do we need to subsidize the Belgian meat industry with a cheap source of "product" to "harvest"?
The value in a horse has always been in his service: his speed, his training, his ability to pull a wagon, his companionship, his ability to carry us down the trail. Other service animals, such as dogs, are not acceptable to slaughter in this country. Why should a horse's reward for a long life pulling the plow be to ship him to an inhumane death 1000+ miles away?
Posted 2011-07-25 10:46 PM (#136091 - in reply to #136078) Subject: RE: Horse slaughter- another view LONG!
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Originally written by funchy on 2011-07-25 5:06 PM
If you'd like me to agree with them being "necessary", please explain why.
Abuse and neglect does not increase when slaughter is less conveniently available.
WRONG...there are documented cases here in the US, where people have just abandoned their horses, as if these animals are going to be able to survive as WILD...
Posted 2011-07-26 4:33 AM (#136093 - in reply to #135967) Subject: RE: Horse slaughter- another view LONG!
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Are you referring to our Government Accounting Office? and if you are; well another subject. I would like for you to send me a personnal message with your address and contac information where we can send you approxx 150 head. I may be able to get enough donations to pay for part of the shipping. These horses are running on the National Forest and getting into peoples gardens,yards. On top of that they are pretty nice bred horses. The guy went so far as to have an Auction with very little luck and spent around $7000.00 . The land owners around that area have been very patient but that is about to end. They are getting to the point of killing them. With a little advertizement along the way I think we may can get you another 5 to 600 head. If anyone wants to know the details or to verify request a pm. Just wondering how many do you want to save? Talking is one thing taking care of 40 to 50 head of horses is another. I have around 30 head of cutting bred horses, several with NCHA earnings and a Stud with NCHA earnings out of a Stallion in approxx the top 25 all-time earnings list. Several of these horses belong to clients that have a considerable amount of money in them. They are here because they and I don't want them to go to slaughter but that is our choice. Not some Government idiot or regulation saying we can't. With All Due Respect.
Posted 2011-07-26 10:30 AM (#136097 - in reply to #135967) Subject: RE: Horse slaughter- another view LONG!
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It blows my mind that in todays world we have so many people that have either lost what common sense they had, or never had it in the first place. Anytime you don't have s slaughter market to set a BASE PRICE under a species of LIVESTOCK (and yes horses are livestock; not pet kittens or puppies); your not going to have a market for them very long. This has happened in the horse industry in this country; and it will continue indefinitely because of not having that slaughter market for a base price (floor price). The HSUS and PETA and the other animal rights groups have one "long term" agenda in mind.........do away with animal agriculture. Whether it's horse slaughter bans, puppy mill bans, giving chickens more cage space, or stopping rodeo. This is all about dictating what you do with your pets and livestock; it is all about getting you to be a bleeding heart for their cause. Wake up folks..........horse slaughter is just the tip of the iceberg !! Common sense is lost, when people such as the HSUS would rather have you go hungry than have this country raising meat for food.
Posted 2011-07-26 3:26 PM (#136102 - in reply to #136097) Subject: RE: Horse slaughter- another view LONG!
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Originally written by jim bob on 2011-07-26 11:30 AM
It blows my mind that in todays world we have so many people that have either lost what common sense they had, or never had it in the first place. Anytime you don't have s slaughter market to set a BASE PRICE under a species of LIVESTOCK (and yes horses are livestock; not pet kittens or puppies); your not going to have a market for them very long. This has happened in the horse industry in this country; and it will continue indefinitely because of not having that slaughter market for a base price (floor price).
Let's use logic to examine this statement:Killbuyers are still buying American horses. In fact, according to government numbers, the number of American horses dying at slaughter now is slightly HIGHER than it had been.
In the past few years, I think most of us can agree the market for most horses is in the toilet. I personally know of dozens of free horses in my region. One web site lists free horses nationwide.
THEREFORE, if there is a big number of $0 horses while at the same time a high number of horses are still going to slaughter, slaughter CANNOT be guaranteeing a floor price. It's impossible.
Posted 2011-07-27 6:12 AM (#136119 - in reply to #135967) Subject: RE: Horse slaughter- another view LONG!
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What this boils do to for me is that I don't feel the need to regulate what someone else does with their LIVESTOCK, which is what horses are!
It is not my job to save the world nor every horse in it. I have sent horses to slaughter that have not been acceptable for people to own and would have no qualms about doing it again! I have no desire to spend my hard earned money caring for horses that other people have wrecked or ruined! I've seen more than one rescue spend an inordinant amount of money "saving" horses that should have been destroyed out of kindness to the horse! You can't save them all!
I have also spent time in slaughter houses. Plants here is the US operate for high effeciency and employees do not have time to torture animals coming through the line. I lived for many years in an area with one of the largest pork packing companies in the world, and our community was a much better place for having them in it as a major employer and contributor to the community.
Face it folks. There are people who will never understand that the lack of slaughter helped to contribute to a lack of value in horses. It was not the only contributing factor but it was a major one.
Posted 2011-07-27 7:37 AM (#136122 - in reply to #135967) Subject: RE: Horse slaughter- another view LONG!
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Let us all think about starting to; Stop breeding sub-standard animals for no purpose. That includes dogs, cats, horses, PEOPLE. It has all gotten out of control. I have been in the Ozarks for almost twelve years and have a hard time wrapping my head around the culture of being too poor and lazy to get off their asses and work, so they through out a half dozen kids for me to support, don't spay and neuter their dogs and cats (so I feed them when they come over to my farm..rather, they steal food).. and call me an outsider because I have a brain and am accountable for my actions. These are the same people who breed/pasture breed/ inbreed everything that can make them $$. Ya know, we could be meat too! HSUS and other groups will get their job done under this administration... and we won't be having this conversation anymore. We'll be taking medication so we can exist in our little apartments in town.
Posted 2011-07-27 8:37 AM (#136127 - in reply to #135967) Subject: RE: Horse slaughter- another view LONG!
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Doughbelly- Do not keep your mouth shut! Everything you have posted has been intelligently put and if we don't voice our opinions we will end up with more results like the slaughter issue here in the US.
Our country was founded on the right of free speech! Please use that right!!!
Posted 2011-07-27 9:00 AM (#136129 - in reply to #135967) Subject: RE: Horse slaughter- another view LONG!
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Here in the Mountains of Western Arkansas there is not a lot of High Dollar Jobs mainly a farming area. the majority of the people do not have college degrees and by outsiders standards just a bunch of dumb country hicks. From time to time we get in people from out of state that smarter and have a deeper bank account. Approxx 10 years ago one of these people ask a native who owned the local livestock salebarn how people made a living in this area. He stated;We raise a few cows,horses and several chickens and From time to time we get people that come in here and buy these big farms, cattle, horses and after about 5 to 10 years they are broke and then we buy it back for about 1/4 to 1/2 of what its worth. the point is if there is no money breeding these horses people are not going to do it. The market will take care of it. We don't need any more stupid regulations from some stupid buearcrat that don't know his butt from a hole in the ground. It does get kinda boring in these mountains so I think one of these whatever animal groups comeing in would make it interesting and create a little excitement. The reason this country is in the shape its in is all these college educated idiots with no common sense. Sorry Lord they pissed me off and Cutter99 egged me on. With all due respect to whoever this might offend
Posted 2011-07-27 9:18 AM (#136131 - in reply to #135967) Subject: RE: Horse slaughter- another view LONG!
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This has been going on for thousands of years, It is called nature like it or not. When a species including humans over popuate the weak and stupid don't survive. It doesn't matter how much money you throw into it, it will not change anything. You can horse rescue as many as you can and it won't change things in the end. If horse rescue is your thing and your doing it right for the right reasons I have the utmost repect for you. Don't step foot on this farm telling me what I am going to do or not do. Just baffels me all these do gooders wanting to save all the Mustangs and letem run and do their thing. then they over populate and starve a slow horribile death. Then you have all these wild hogs running loose and its killem all its perfectly acceptable, get real folks.
Posted 2011-07-27 9:43 AM (#136132 - in reply to #135967) Subject: RE: Horse slaughter- another view LONG!
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I talked to a man that lives on the edge of a state forest not far from me the other day and he was telling us about someone dumping 2 donkeys out in the forest. This place is on both side of a very busy highway. Right now there is no water in any of the creeks and only one pond that is so boggy don't know that they could get to it. It is not a very large place either so if they got to crossing the highway that means a chance of someone hitting them and getting hurt or worse, killed. Don't guess the people thought about that little detail. Poor things would probably starve to death now as dry as it is down here now. This man and his wife caught them, don't remember if he said what he did with them, but he didn't go dump them some place. He said also that they have all sorts of animals show up at their place that people have dumped out there.
Posted 2011-07-27 10:34 AM (#136136 - in reply to #135967) Subject: RE: Horse slaughter- another view LONG!
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To me it would have been a lot more humane to have put a bullet between their eyes than to do what these people did to these donkey's. If I had of caught these people I would definantly had a discussion with them.