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gard
Reg. Aug 2007
Posted 2010-04-01 10:43 PM (#118352 - in reply to #118162)
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3brlrcr
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Posted 2010-04-02 6:42 AM (#118362 - in reply to #118349)
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Sorry, I really can't tell you what the brakes are on the trailer. I'll have to figure out where to find that information. And, I don't know what the Hart trailer had on it. The weight distribution on the Hart would definitely be different than the Trails West. I noticed that with the Hart, the nose ended right at the gooseneck coupling, but the TW extends out over the coupling.
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Posted 2010-04-02 9:11 AM (#118366 - in reply to #118162)
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Where they both the same length trailer also? If not, try to find one the same length and see if that could have anything to do with it.
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ND COWBOY
Reg. Jan 2005
Posted 2010-04-02 10:48 AM (#118372 - in reply to #118162)
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I pull a 35' living quarters 5-horse trailer with a dodge 350 diesel, manual 6-speed. I will get the bucking sometimes at start-out, if I am not smooth enough with the clutch. I also have the same problem on a certain stretch of interstate that I drive alot.(small heaves in the road get it started. I can either let off the accelerator until it stops or accelerate thru it. My truck is a 2006 b-4 emissions, so I do not think that is your problem. I have always thought a shock absorbing unit on the hitch would be the fix to this problem. I do not think it is the truck.
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301duster
Reg. Jan 2009
Posted 2010-04-02 11:04 AM (#118373 - in reply to #118162)
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I'm not sure this would solve your problem, but a Star Performance Hitch (sphitch) may help you out. I normally pull a 34' trailer and never have had the bucking issues. About 2 weeks ago I pulled a friends 36' trailer with a rigid hitch and couldn't believe the difference. We didn't experience any "hard bucking" but I sure could tell everytime that trailer was hitting a bump in the road. I think that hitch will pay for itself just in maintainence or lack thereof. Good luck
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Leave3standing
Reg. Oct 2005
Posted 2010-04-02 11:23 AM (#118375 - in reply to #118162)
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If your truck is a crew cab it could be your shocks in the back.  I have a 01 and had to replace the shocks with a better quality shock during the 1st year even though the shocks were new.  It would buck on concrete roads because the seems would be spaced apart just right to make it buck with the long wheel base.  Some concrete roads are built smoothly and not a problem but most are not smooth from one section to another.
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Reg. Nov 2007
Posted 2010-04-02 7:49 PM (#118387 - in reply to #118162)
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HTB- May I echo Gard and say "WELCOME BACK!" I was just thinking about you again the other day. Had a feeling you were still out there. Please get involved and post more often again.
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hogtownboss
Reg. Sep 2008
Posted 2010-04-03 9:34 AM (#118405 - in reply to #118387)
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Originally written by genebob on 2010-04-02 7:49 PM

HTB- May I echo Gard and say "WELCOME BACK!" I was just thinking about you again the other day. Had a feeling you were still out there. Please get involved and post more often again.

Thanks to both of ya'll.

Still here and after seeing this one about a diesel truck issue, I couldn't keep out.

Their truck is fine!

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Reg. Jun 2006
Posted 2010-04-03 10:44 AM (#118408 - in reply to #118162)
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To Much Trouble
Reg. Dec 2009
Posted 2010-04-03 4:51 PM (#118416 - in reply to #118162)
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I just got my 04 Ford F-350 with the 6.0 diesel outta the shop..the bucking/back firing  was carbon build up  in the turbo ..the mechanic ( a friend of ours) says he does 2-3 a week for this problem..the ports inside either stick open or closed..he did a major clean up and I have to say the truck is running like a scalded dog now...WAHOOO !!  I hooked up and hauled yesterday to ride with friends and she ran like she did when we first got her...  so now I am ready to "hit the trails"....  :)

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hogtownboss
Reg. Sep 2008
Posted 2010-04-04 1:06 PM (#118429 - in reply to #118416)
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Originally written by To Much Trouble on 2010-04-03 4:51 PM

I just got my 04 Ford F-350 with the 6.0 diesel outta the shop..the bucking/back firing  was carbon build up  in the turbo ..the mechanic ( a friend of ours) says he does 2-3 a week for this problem..the ports inside either stick open or closed..he did a major clean up and I have to say the truck is running like a scalded dog now...WAHOOO !!  I hooked up and hauled yesterday to ride with friends and she ran like she did when we first got her...  so now I am ready to "hit the trails"....  :)

Did he let you know what causes this problem?  If not, I will.....  EGR mess on these trucks are the MAIN problem causing turbo soot build up, then second on the list in improper oil or oil changes.

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To Much Trouble
Reg. Dec 2009
Posted 2010-04-04 3:15 PM (#118430 - in reply to #118162)
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No one mentioned EGR...he told us it is the biofuel crap...oil is changed BY THEM on a regular basis...
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Reg. Apr 2010
Posted 2010-04-04 8:47 PM (#118443 - in reply to #118162)
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hey i am new on here and i read posts all the time, so i had to join to become part of this thread.  i have an 08 F250 with the 6.4 motor and i love it so far.  like others have said all the epa crap theat they put on trucks now its hard to make them work the way they should. i go on powerstrokenation.com to educate myself on these trucks, and i am currently saving to delete the dpf and get some tunes. but until then i have pulled some weight with the truck and it has handle it well. i am so excited for the day when i delete this epa junk, gain about 4 mpg and more power. spartan, h&s black maxx, and sct with eric's custom tunes are the only true programming that will not kill the truck.  also on a side note i was told not to go over 5k miles for oil changes especially on the 6.0 because with the heui injection system which uses engine oil to operate the injectors it gets abused much more than a common rail set up.  and as far as turbos go that are variable geometry it is good to put your foot into it (unloaded) to make the vanes move their full range of motion. that way it is more difficult for junk to build up in there. sorry i rambled on but i hope i put some good info out there. good luck

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hogtownboss
Reg. Sep 2008
Posted 2010-04-04 10:39 PM (#118447 - in reply to #118443)
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Originally written by mattdiz on 2010-04-04 8:47 PM

hey i am new on here and i read posts all the time, so i had to join to become part of this thread.  i have an 08 F250 with the 6.4 motor and i love it so far.  like others have said all the epa crap theat they put on trucks now its hard to make them work the way they should. i go on powerstrokenation.com to educate myself on these trucks, and i am currently saving to delete the dpf and get some tunes. but until then i have pulled some weight with the truck and it has handle it well. i am so excited for the day when i delete this epa junk, gain about 4 mpg and more power. spartan, h&s black maxx, and sct with eric's custom tunes are the only true programming that will not kill the truck.  also on a side note i was told not to go over 5k miles for oil changes especially on the 6.0 because with the heui injection system which uses engine oil to operate the injectors it gets abused much more than a common rail set up.  and as far as turbos go that are variable geometry it is good to put your foot into it (unloaded) to make the vanes move their full range of motion. that way it is more difficult for junk to build up in there. sorry i rambled on but i hope i put some good info out there. good luck

First off the 5-k is up to the person, driving conditions and oil being used.  My personal truck (07.5 Dodge Ram with the 6.7 motor) before I did the DPF delete and programmer I would only go 4-k miles because the oil would get so nasty, now that I have the upgrades I am going on 6-k miles and the oil still looks good.

On the 6.0 trucks I started using a syn. oil because of the injectors on these trucks.  I noticed before that in the colder weather I would get a little smoke and rough idle on start up but after changing to syn oil they start up with no smoke and run smooth. 

Check out powerstroke.org also.

We drove our Dodge over the weekend unloaded with a combination of hwy and city and after 1 full tank hand figured I got 18.9mpg.  Not bad for a 1 ton quad cab that weighs 8800lbs and that is with the H&S programmer set on a 120hp.

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hogtownboss
Reg. Sep 2008
Posted 2010-04-04 10:52 PM (#118448 - in reply to #118430)
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Originally written by To Much Trouble on 2010-04-04 3:15 PM

No one mentioned EGR...he told us it is the biofuel crap...oil is changed BY THEM on a regular basis...

The ERG systems on these trucks are crap.  I really find it hard to believe that bio fuel caused the problem, you would start having trouble in the fuel system before you would in the turbo.  Bio fuel is really HARD on the Ford injectors.  However the egr would cause turbo issues because they recirulate spent exhaust gases back through the engine.

One sure fire way to prevent the turbo from building up soot/carbon would  be really blow it out every once in a while and the main thing is to let it run a few mins before you turn it off to let the turbo cool down after long drives or when towing this will really cook the oil and crap that the turbo collects if you just turn it off right away.

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hogtownboss
Reg. Sep 2008
Posted 2010-04-04 11:12 PM (#118449 - in reply to #118416)
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Originally written by To Much Trouble on 2010-04-03 4:51 PM

I just got my 04 Ford F-350 with the 6.0 diesel outta the shop..the bucking/back firing  was carbon build up  in the turbo ..the mechanic ( a friend of ours) says he does 2-3 a week for this problem..the ports inside either stick open or closed..he did a major clean up and I have to say the truck is running like a scalded dog now...WAHOOO !!  I hooked up and hauled yesterday to ride with friends and she ran like she did when we first got her...  so now I am ready to "hit the trails"....  :)

Glad to here you got it fixed, most people would start calling names and throwing things at them......

Read my other post for some details I give you to help solve the problem later.

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3brlrcr
Reg. Apr 2009
Posted 2010-04-05 11:05 AM (#118459 - in reply to #118449)
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Hogtownboss......Can you tell me where to go to read up on the fuel system on the 6.4 diesel? This is my first diesel. If I need to do something particular as it relates to the fuel injectors, then I would like to learn about that. I get oil changes very regularly. I use fuel additive almost every fill-up. If it is build-up in the injectors, how do I determine that?Thanks for your patience with my lack of knowledge on this.
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hogtownboss
Reg. Sep 2008
Posted 2010-04-05 11:38 AM (#118461 - in reply to #118459)
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Originally written by 3brlrcr on 2010-04-05 11:05 AM

Hogtownboss......Can you tell me where to go to read up on the fuel system on the 6.4 diesel? This is my first diesel. If I need to do something particular as it relates to the fuel injectors, then I would like to learn about that. I get oil changes very regularly. I use fuel additive almost every fill-up. If it is build-up in the injectors, how do I determine that?Thanks for your patience with my lack of knowledge on this.

Go to www.powerstroke.org.  They have one section just for the 6.4L trucks.

What leads you to believe you may have or maybe having injectors issues with you 6.4?  From what I am understanding about these engines, they have some of the best injectors Ford has offered, unlike the 6.0's which a really touchy.

The problems with the 6.4's is more with the egr and DPF causing the truck to go into regen mode from soot or carbon getting build up on the turbos and in the DPF.  The regen is to make the computer run the truck at a higher rpm and run hotter to burn off the extra.  The problem is most of the time is the regen does not stay on long enough or the truck is turned off before the regen is completed and the soot or carbon then bakes on the turbo and DPF causing the build up over time.

Additive:  Actually in my opinion you should not be having to use much if any at all.  Maybe some power service (white bottle) in the winter months but not every tank.

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3brlrcr
Reg. Apr 2009
Posted 2010-04-05 11:51 AM (#118462 - in reply to #118461)
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Thank you very much for taking the time to explain. It appears I was getting the recommendations confused on this forum. I was only going to check the injectors because I thought someone else said that solved their problem. So, that is good news that the 6.4L has some of the better ones Ford has used. I did have one go out when I first bought the truck, but have had no problems since.If the regen is when the truck says that it is cleaning the exhaust, then yes, mine does seem to go into regen often. I try to make sure that I do not turn off the truck during this cycle, but I have occasionally. It was the dealer that suggested I used an additive every tank, and so I have done that. If that is not necessary, that would be great. Is there anything related to this that I should attend to?I am going to post a reply now to the user that suggested the Star hitch.Thanks
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Posted 2010-04-05 1:57 PM (#118472 - in reply to #118462)
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Originally written by 3brlrcr on 2010-04-05 11:51 AM

Thank you very much for taking the time to explain. It appears I was getting the recommendations confused on this forum. Is there anything related to this that I should attend to?I am going to post a reply now to the user that suggested the Star hitch.Thanks

I understand how that can happen.  When I first seen your post a looked over all of the replies and see a few talking about their 6.0 trucks, which you can not compair.

Attend too?  In my opinion if you are going to leave your truck 100% stock with the egr and DPF, I would drive it alitte harder.  Not meaning go race it or drive like a teenager while loaded.  Drive it harder and while on the hwy don't be afraid to step on it now and then to pass someone. (or in english do not drive like you are on a Sunday drive with nowhere to go)

Or If it was mine, I would rid of the extra mess and enjoy the better preformance and fuel mileage.  That's what I did with our Dodge and no more regen. 

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3brlrcr
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Posted 2010-04-05 4:18 PM (#118479 - in reply to #118472)
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No problem with pushing that truck. There are no Sunday drivers at this house. A friend of mine used to call me Maria Andretti. Now, if you don't like that family, don't hold it against me. LOLWhen you say get rid of the mess, please give it to me specifically. What does that mean? And if I do that, will it void any of my warranty.
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Posted 2010-04-05 4:23 PM (#118480 - in reply to #118373)
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301dusterWent to the Star Performance Hitch website and also called and spoke with Doug Cole the owner. Sounds like this is the cats meow. Alternatively, one trailer dealer had suggested I install a Air Ride hitch. Did you look at the Air Ride at all? Anyway, for less than $1000, if that fixes the problem and I can drive down the road without the chucking I will be a very happy camper and I think my cargo will be too.
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Posted 2010-04-05 4:37 PM (#118482 - in reply to #118479)
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Originally written by 3brlrcr on 2010-04-05 4:18 PM

No problem with pushing that truck. There are no Sunday drivers at this house. A friend of mine used to call me Maria Andretti. Now, if you don't like that family, don't hold it against me. LOLWhen you say get rid of the mess, please give it to me specifically. What does that mean? And if I do that, will it void any of my warranty.

What this means is it makes the truck run like Ford should have done to start with.  If you know alittle about working on vehicles you can do it.  These kits removes the DPF, unplugs (or turns off with the programmer) the egr and installs a programmer (which can be left on the stock hp setting) to program the computer  for the aftermarket adjustments.

Yes, actually it would void your warranty, but only if you take it to a dealer for service with the adjustment left on the truck.

My trucks I do all of the work on myself.  But the kit I use it takes me and 1 buddy just under an hour to return it back to stock with no signs of adjustments, then after the warranty work is done it takes the same hour to reinstall the good stuff..

My fuel mileage gains it well worth the price.  I went from around 15mpg unloaded to 18.9 with a combination of driving in town and hwy.  Yes all hand figured mileage!  I have not actually figure my mileage loaded yet, but I do have way more power and do not have to use my tow/haul mode any longer.

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Posted 2010-04-07 11:37 AM (#118554 - in reply to #118482)
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Originally written by hogtownboss on 2010-04-05 4:37 PM

What this means is it makes the truck run like Ford should have done to start with.



Ford *would* have done these things to start with, if the EPA hadn't slapped unrealistic emissions requirements on them. The automakers can only do what the EPA allows them to do.

As for the question of injectors, the switch from traditional diesel to low sulfur diesel, and now from low sulfur to ultra-low sulfur diesel, makes things harder on the injectors. As well, most diesels run best on 45 cetane fuel, but because the law requires 40 cetane that's all you'll find at the pump. As a result I'm running a fuel system additive that improves lubricity (better for the injectors) and bumps up the cetane rating a bit. My choice is Stanadyne, which I bought a couple of one-tank bottles and a big 1 gal jug for refilling the small bottles. It ends up costing me a couple of dollars per 35g tank. There are many other diesel additives out there that probably work just as well, I suggest you begin using one.

The oil change intervals are sticky with completely stock (DPF intact) newer trucks. This regen cycle pushes some diesel into the oil that can accumulate to dangerous levels within a normal oil change interval. More than a small amount of fuel mixed into the oil really ruins it's lubrication properties, plus in extreme cases you have problems from too much oil. (Going over the oil change interval is therefore a very bad idea). Ford is not taking any responsibility for this, in fact they've told some owners with large amounts of diesel in their oil that things are 'OK'. That might be ok if you're Ford trying to get owners through the warranty period, but over the life of the truck I don't think it works out. In any case, I recommend to check your oil level every 1000mi and change the oil early if you see the oil level rise above the full mark.

Removing the DPF and getting tuned to not create regen cycles has resolved the excess oil issue.

David
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Posted 2010-04-07 12:13 PM (#118555 - in reply to #118554)
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Thank You,

Finally some that knows what I am talking about......  One thing, on the injector issue, the "big 3" has said "that the newer DPF equiped trucks have injectors that are designed to run on ultra low fuel with no problems"

Which I am like you and I find that hard to believe, but still would not use any type of fuel treatment with the DPF still installed on the truck unless I just absolutly had too.....

Same goes for older trucks but just the other way.  The older trucks need more lube so it is almost a must to run some sort of treatment all the time.  I know my older Ford IDI trucks start leaking fuel around the o-rings and loss power if I do not use a treatment (tranny fluid) or farm fuel in it, then as soon I the treatment or farm fuel runs through the system everything s back to normal again.

So we must thank the dear ol' EPA for their lack of help.

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