Posted 2008-11-04 8:32 AM (#94227 - in reply to #93175) Subject: RE: Horse slaughter lawsuit?
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The lawsuit would cover many states since many people are in the same boat. I myself would make a video(s) of people and their horses. It might be long but it would not be boring. It would show the good, bad, ugly. It would be approached from the vets view, the owners view, the racehorse owner, slaughterhouse workers and others. How things are done and how things need to be done. Their opinions - their lives - their futures. I would try to make this available on different channels, radio programs, websites, Rose your going to have to step up to challenges of today and tomorrow. I would challenge the Congress/Senate/PETA/ and others who write and vote. I would hope the horse community would be behind me knowing that what I do affects all equine. Sometimes money doesn't buy everything - just making your appearance does. Slaughterhouses are not nice places but life is not always nice - better than starving. Good Luck!
Posted 2008-11-04 1:15 PM (#94250 - in reply to #94227) Subject: RE: Horse slaughter lawsuit?
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Originally written by Frankie001% on 2008-11-04 9:32 AM
The lawsuit would cover many states since many people are in the same boat. I myself would make a video(s) of people and their horses. It might be long but it would not be boring. It would show the good, bad, ugly. It would be approached from the vets view, the owners view, the racehorse owner, slaughterhouse workers and others. How things are done and how things need to be done. Their opinions - their lives - their futures. I would try to make this available on different channels, radio programs, websites, Rose your going to have to step up to challenges of today and tomorrow. I would challenge the Congress/Senate/PETA/ and others who write and vote. I would hope the horse community would be behind me knowing that what I do affects all equine. Sometimes money doesn't buy everything - just making your appearance does. Slaughterhouses are not nice places but life is not always nice - better than starving. Good Luck!
That documentary would be interesting. It would be of benefit to show all sides like you stated.
What a lot of people don't get about PETA is that their ultimate goal is that no one owns an animal PERIOD If they have to kill them rather then rehome them gets them closer to that goal.
Posted 2008-11-08 12:21 PM (#94518 - in reply to #94508) Subject: RE: Horse slaughter lawsuit?
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If someone handed my 7yr old a booklet like that I'd sue their butts off for tramatizing her! Good Lord, they are more concerned with fur coats than a childs mental state.
Posted 2008-11-08 1:56 PM (#94523 - in reply to #93175) Subject: RE: Horse slaughter lawsuit?
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Well, that pretty effectively changes my outlook on PETA..I don't gt that "I don't want you to have it, so no one can have it" outlook.. Especially when there are thousands of animal lives and souls at stake (yes, I think animals have souls... I don't think humans are the only ones priveledged to have a thinking and emotion center.) .
Posted 2008-11-10 8:10 AM (#94604 - in reply to #93175) Subject: RE: Horse slaughter lawsuit?
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PETA stinks but we still have to deal with them. Who regulates them? I might have missed something in the reading. Who is above them? Why don't they pull their reins back?
Animals do go to heaven. The Littlest Angle book has Butterflys in it. I am sure there are all creatures great and small in heaven.
Posted 2008-11-10 8:15 PM (#94657 - in reply to #93175) Subject: RE: Horse slaughter lawsuit?
Location: KY
The only regulation of PETA is the IRS as to non-profit status, and of course the criminal laws if any of their members are caught committing a crime, such as vandalism of a lab et cetera.
As to Biblical bases (plural of basis) for whatever, remember in the Old Testament, men were allowed multiple wives. The feds got after the Mormons in the late 1940's and seized a bunch of children (just like Texas did a little while ago) and then did not have the resources to care for the children. Besides what version of the Bible were those quotes from? King James (a widely discredited translation), the Scoffield reference Bible, the Revised Standard version, or the Good News version of the New Testament....or some other version?
As for me, I believe in the right to be let alone. If I choose to eat meat, even horsemeat, it is my business and none of the government's beyond the inspection of foodstuffs in commerce. PETA and groups like them want to impose their views and ways on everyone. Why?
Posted 2008-11-15 10:19 PM (#94957 - in reply to #93175) Subject: RE: Horse slaughter lawsuit?
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Yeah, PETA people are a bunch of real winners aren't they. Yet they manage to con high profile actors into being spokesmen for them all the time, though you have to wonder who is paying who there? Sad either way really, but with sites like PETA Kills Animals, you have to hope people will finally learn what some of us learned a long time ago and put them out of business for once and for all by the simple act of not sending them money! It really is that simple, don't send them money. If you really want to help animals pick local shelters and rescues to support, the money will be that much better spent. Heck I even sent a few bucks to that Bitter Root humane that is taking care of those horribly abused horses in Montana. As I am far from rich I'm pretty select on who I send money to, but that was definitely a worthy cause. I'm just disappointed that the Montana Rider hasn't made their last update on line without subscribing. Ya know, I'm interested in the case, but don't have any real reason to subscribe to something that I don't need to. I think they are doing Bitter Root Humane a disservice by doing so as well.
Back to PETA: If you read about the whole North Carolina case, you will be disappointed to learn that the people prosecuted got no more then a slap on the wrist and were only found guilty with littering. The financial part to be paid by PETA no doubt. My God what kind of people are living in North Carolina these days? Anyway, looking at pictures of the people involved, I see a jerk and a woman who was looking to belong, the woman who so coldy killed those adoptable animals with little thought, likely was a big animal lover as a child, but has been brainwashed by Ingrid to believe that euthanizing those animals was in their best interests. Why do I say this? Because of the comments of feeding the dogs a special treat before euthanizing them. In a sense though, that makes her actions that much MORE evil then less. Brainwashed or not, doesn't matter if you love companion animals you don't kill them without a damn good reason.
Not particularly religious myself, but I do get some pleasure reminding people Jesus made water into wine and not the other way around.
Posted 2008-11-24 7:15 PM (#95308 - in reply to #93175) Subject: RE: Horse slaughter lawsuit?
Location: KY
Yup Yvette, I do too! Looks like the horse market is going to continue to be horrible. Thorobred owners are being encouraged to "give away" their horses that do not sell at the annual auctions. Wonder how many horses will starve to death this winter........rotten economy is not going to help surplus of horses. BLM is planning to start euthanizing unadoptable mustangs....guess the cost is not a problem for the BLM. Also read that some folks are advocating for low or no cost euthanasia clinics/procedures for unwanted/excess horses. Sure seems a shame since horsemeat is one thing we could export....and it would create some jobs......
Posted 2008-11-24 9:52 PM (#95315 - in reply to #93175) Subject: RE: Horse slaughter lawsuit?
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I think that ALL of us should take a tour through a slaughter plant (they still slaughter cows and pigs..) and see it first hand. Then you can make an informed decision about where you stand when it comes to companion animals... of course, since President Bush is leasing BLM/conservation land behind our backs to drill oil on next month... he will have to do something about those damned wild horses, won't he?? what happens when they decide there are too many stupid people taking up space and food???(does anyone remember soilent green??)-a movie in the 70's. It was a sci-fi film that exposed a governments use of old and infirm people who could no longer work and take care of themselves... so they were grounded up into a vitamin like pill for nutrition for the rest of the population. Pretty scary stuff,huh? slaughter is a pretty touchy subject for many.
Posted 2008-11-24 9:58 PM (#95316 - in reply to #95315) Subject: RE: Horse slaughter lawsuit?
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I've been to a slaughter plant and as much as I don't like it, I think it is a better option than a slow starvation that many unwanted animals face. (or even the wanted animals owned by people who can no longer afford them but can't find a buyer for them)
Touchy subject or not I think all the people who were clambering to close the slaughter plants down should now step up and help take care of all the animals that now have no where to go.
Posted 2008-11-24 11:55 PM (#95318 - in reply to #93175) Subject: RE: Horse slaughter lawsuit?
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There is without a doubt to many unwanted horses. And economic times are getting tougher. Options for the unwanted horse is limited. Only the horse industry (any equine related business or owner) "united" is going to solve the problem. Resposibility to take on a lifetime commitment for horse ownership and for breeders to ensure a long term home for each foal should be mandatory for anyone in the horse industry. Maybe "we" as an industry should loosen up the purse strings and show some goodwill to help resolve this issue of to many horses. Some time in the near future there will be to many carcasses, threatening our environment if not disposed of properly There will not be any government bailouts so "we" as an industry must resolve these issues ourselves by getting involed some way to help out either locally, regionally, or nationally
Posted 2008-11-25 5:00 AM (#95320 - in reply to #93175) Subject: RE: Horse slaughter lawsuit?
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I was reading the BLOGS and this millionaire lady that has stepped up to take care of the thousands of unwanted BLM horses .Everyone including the news media and HER call them MUSTANGS and part of our heritage .They are FERAL horses .Mustang DNA is very rare and only in isolated areas. The REST of these animals got their roots in a previous economic crash. The Oklahoma Dust Bowl and The Great Depression .How misinforming the information is .The BLM knows this as they have been adding some better bloodied horses to the open range to try to increase adoptions over the last several decades.
Posted 2008-11-25 9:07 AM (#95329 - in reply to #93175) Subject: RE: Horse slaughter lawsuit?
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If anyone really does want to get involved go to Amercian Horse Council web site particapate in their survey and and be heard. Here is the address http://www.horsecouncil.org/
Posted 2008-11-25 11:00 AM (#95337 - in reply to #93175) Subject: RE: Horse slaughter lawsuit?
Location: Central Arkansas
I was talking to a fellow that runs a sale barn here in central Arkansas. He said there were over 5000 horses being feedlotted up in MT,WY and SD waiting on the Canadian killer plants to open back up after the first of the year. The Mexican plants are also closed due to Belguim and France owing the Mexican government for horsemeat they have already taken delivery of and not paid for.
I, for one, HATE the thought of any horse (other than dangerous rogues) going to slaughter. But, I understand that it does have it's purpose. If I get to the point that I can not take care of my horses any longer, and can not place them in good solid homes, I will do the right thing and just euthanize them. That way they would never go hungry, be in pain, be abused or eaten by anyone. Before y'all all get up in arms about it, these would probably be old, used up , and unadoptable. I just don't believe in letting animals suffer.
Posted 2008-11-27 5:29 AM (#95423 - in reply to #95329) Subject: RE: Horse slaughter lawsuit?
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Originally written by hconley on 2008-11-25 9:07 AM
If anyone really does want to get involved go to Amercian Horse Council web site particapate in their survey and and be heard. Here is the address http://www.horsecouncil.org/
Take the survey? I tried, I'm an owner & a Breeder. They said I didn't qualify to take the survey. If I don't then who does?
Posted 2008-11-27 6:14 AM (#95424 - in reply to #93175) Subject: RE: Horse slaughter lawsuit?
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I took it day before today. No problem other then its a LONG one to me anyway .Seemed to require nothing to take it .What exactly did you encounter that stopped you?
Posted 2008-11-27 7:41 AM (#95425 - in reply to #93175) Subject: RE: Horse slaughter lawsuit?
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At the beginning, it said to check off who you are, so I checked off horse owner and the other was horse breeder. Another page opened and said" SORRY YOU DO NOT QAUILFY TO PARTICIPATE" or sometrhing like that.