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rose
Reg. Feb 2004
Posted 2007-09-02 4:29 PM (#67038 - in reply to #66684)
Subject: RE: Trouble hauling through Iowa




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keeponhaulin     I think ? I sent an email to AQHA, but you might want to snail mail or call them

MAILING AND PHONE INFORMATION

Mailing
AQHA
P.O. Box 200
Amarillo, Tx 79168

Overnight Delivery
American Quarter Horse Association
1600 Quarter Horse Dr.
Amarillo, Tx 79104

Phone
Customer Service
(806) 376-4811

 

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rose
Reg. Feb 2004
Posted 2007-09-02 4:30 PM (#67039 - in reply to #66684)
Subject: RE: Trouble hauling through Iowa




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keeponhaulin     I think ? I sent an email to AQHA, but you might want to snail mail or call them

MAILING AND PHONE INFORMATION

Mailing
AQHA
P.O. Box 200
Amarillo, Tx 79168

Overnight Delivery
American Quarter Horse Association
1600 Quarter Horse Dr.
Amarillo, Tx 79104

Phone
Customer Service
(806) 376-4811

 sorry about the double post folks.....didn't mean to.....



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PaulChristenson
Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2007-09-02 4:50 PM (#67042 - in reply to #67037)
Subject: RE: Trouble hauling through Iowa


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Originally written by keeponhaulin' on 2007-09-02 5:11 PM

I need everyone's help with this and I'm gonna make easy for you.  Listed below are some of the organizations I have sent an email to.  Please, please send them an email with your concerns or stories about the regulation issue.  If I've missed one let me know!

Andalusian  office@ialha.com

Thanks again everybody!

You missed...

Lusitanos!!!! also office@ialha.com

Percherons   percheron@percheronhorse.org

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keeponhaulin'
Reg. Aug 2007
Posted 2007-09-02 5:54 PM (#67046 - in reply to #66684)
Subject: RE: Trouble hauling through Iowa


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Thank you and that's why I need you guys!!!
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crowleysridgegirl
Reg. Apr 2005
Posted 2007-09-02 6:00 PM (#67048 - in reply to #67046)
Subject: RE: Trouble hauling through Iowa


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And,the Missouri Foxtrotter Horse Breed Association,www.mfthba.com
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Yvette
Reg. Jul 2006
Posted 2007-09-03 9:12 AM (#67061 - in reply to #66684)
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I'm thinking you may also want to contact the horse trailer manufacturers. They like selling those humongous living quarter trailers and if people are going to get bogged down in bureaucracy that could heavily impact their sales.
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Broken Bit
Reg. Jan 2006
Posted 2007-09-03 9:40 AM (#67063 - in reply to #66684)
Subject: RE: Trouble hauling through Iowa



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Yup, yup, I think that the trailer manufacturers are a great choice to get on board.  These rules will surely effect them when everybody says "I can't afford all of this D.O.T.  registration b.s., I will just have to buy a little ole 16' stock trailer instead of the 28' four horse with full L.Q. like I was really wanting."  Lots of money to be lost if that is the prevailing attitude amongst us "common folks". 

  Where do you stand DaveM, what do you think about all this?  Got any ideas of your own on the deal?  I'll bet that you sure have a lot of contacts around the country.  And maybe Mr.Truck?   Well, guess I'll talk to y'all later...

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headhunter
Reg. Oct 2004
Posted 2007-09-03 1:55 PM (#67074 - in reply to #66684)
Subject: RE: Trouble hauling through Iowa



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National Cutting Horse Assoc http://www.nchacutting.com/

National Reined Cowhorse Assoc http://www.nrcha.com/2001/default1.asp

National Reining Horse Assoc http://www.nrha.com/

All these associations pay non-pros prize money

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rose
Reg. Feb 2004
Posted 2007-09-03 2:15 PM (#67075 - in reply to #66684)
Subject: RE: Trouble hauling through Iowa




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TWHBEA

Call us at (931) 359-1574
Mail us at P.O. Box 286 or 250 N. Ellington Pkwy., Lewisburg, TN 37091

www.twhbea.com

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flyinghfarm
Reg. Mar 2004
Posted 2007-09-03 2:17 PM (#67076 - in reply to #66684)
Subject: RE: Trouble hauling through Iowa


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Friends of ours last year, got in the same deal, they would not let them drive their brand new aluminum stock trailer home empty.  They had to sit there overnight while someone from Arkansas with a CDL came up to drive their rig out of Iowa.  They also were served with a myriad of fines etc. The man and wife had UTD drivers' licenses, had current registration , as in they had just bought it new from the dealer that day, and current proof of insurance, and thought they were ok, esp in that they were in a regular 1-ton truck with no livestock of any kind.  They will never buy anything else in Iowa nor return to Iowa, and tell their story to anyone who asks. 

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crowleysridgegirl
Reg. Apr 2005
Posted 2007-09-03 3:23 PM (#67081 - in reply to #67076)
Subject: RE: Trouble hauling through Iowa


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Maybe the price of corn going up will help matters around there somewhat.



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keeponhaulin'
Reg. Aug 2007
Posted 2007-09-03 10:08 PM (#67099 - in reply to #66684)
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Thank you for the additional websites and email addresses.  Hope everyone had a great Labor Day!  I should be receiving a bunch of emails tomorrow, hopefully everyone will be back in there offices.  I will let you all know who I have heard from and what was said Tuesday evening.
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keeponhaulin'
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Posted 2007-09-03 10:24 PM (#67103 - in reply to #66684)
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Check out "Hauling in OK?"  post, it has happened to someone else.
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keeponhaulin'
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Posted 2007-09-03 11:02 PM (#67108 - in reply to #66684)
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   WEIGHT RESTRICTIONS

Non-Interstate Highways
Single axle - 20,000 pounds
Tandem axle - 34,000 pounds
Group of axles - Use Table 1 or 2 weight chart
Gross weight - Use Table 1 or 2 weight chart
Maximum weight on state highways: 80,000 pounds, 96,000 pounds for construction and livestock vehicles

Interstate Highways
Single axle - 20,000 pounds
Tandem axle - 34,000 pounds
Group of axles - Use Table 3 weight chart
Gross weight - Use Table 3 weight chart
Maximum weight on interstates - 80,000 pounds

Spread-Axle Livestock Transports
Five-axle livestock transportation trucks with a spread axle trailer are allowed to carry a gross weight of 86,000 pounds under the following conditions:

Travel over 80,000 pounds gross weight is not allowed on the Interstate Highway System. This law applies only to the Non-Interstate Highway System.

  • The truck/trailer must have at least 61 feet of overall wheelbase.
  • The trailer spread-axles must have at least 8 feet–1 inch of spacing.
  • You may only transport livestock on the vehicle.
  • You are not allowed to exceed posted bridge or roadway embargoes.

    If you have questions regarding this law, contact the Office of Motor Vehicle Enforcement at 800-925-6469, or by the Internet at http://www.dot.state.ia.us/mvd/%20omve/livestock.htm.

Update! The Governor has extended the weight overage to December 4th to assist in the completion of harvest.

Governor Vilsack signed a “proclamation of disaster emergency,” in response to Iowa’s expected “bumper crop” harvest and recent near record high temperatures, allowing Iowa farmers and grain haulers to transport loads up to 90,000 pounds of soybeans, corn, hay, straw, and stover on all highways within Iowa, excluding the Interstate system from October 6, 2006 through November 5, 2006.

Click here for a copy of the proclamation.

  ANNUAL INSPECTION

Beginning July 1, 2005, special farm trucks weighing 10,000 lbs or more will need to undergo an annual inspection. Farm trucks traveling only intrastate used to be exempt from the annual inspection requirement, but due to changes at the federal level, Iowa law now requires farm trucks be inspected as well.

· Farm trucks now must pass thorough inspection by a “qualified inspector” at least once every 12 months.
· Each vehicle in a combination is considered a separate vehicle and must pass inspection individually.
· Proof of a current annual inspection must be carried or displayed on the truck or trailer.
· Proof may be in the form of an inspection decal or a copy of an inspection report and must be produced upon request.
· Annual inspections may be performed in-house or at a commercial truck repair facility.
· Keep copies of the credentials or proof of qualifications of your inspector for up to one year after the inspection.

The carrier is responsible for ensuring the person performing the annual inspection is a “qualified inspector.”

Inspectors may be qualified through experience or training, and knowledge of regulations.

Click here for inspector qualifications.

Maintenance, repair or service to farm truck brake systems must also meet the brake inspector qualifications.

Click here for brake inspector qualifications.

Free and legally compliant inspection forms can be accessed by clicking below:

Click here for a sample Annual Truck Inspection Form.

Otherwise, inspection kits, containing an inspection book, two inspection reports, and two labels, can be purchased through Farm Home Office (Sylvette Corporation) at 1-800-788-7218. Inspection kits cost $6.98 (+ shipping and handling) and usually take two to three business days to receive by regular mail.

Inspections need to be completed every year by July 1. Farmers without proof of inspection will be in violation of this law and will be required to pay fines in the amount of $49.50. Other penalties may result from equipment defects.

More information can be found at the IDOT website: http://www.iamvd.com/omve/specialtrucks.htm

  DRIVER LICENSING

Farmers and their hired help are not required to obtain a Commercial Drivers License (CDL) as long the following criteria are met:

1. The hauling vehicle is owned by the farmer
2. The hauling distance does not exceed a one hundred fifty air mile radius of home operation.
3. The only materials being transported are those that are owned by the farmer

Please note, you may still be required to obtain a Class D Chauffeur’s license.

  VEHICLE REGISTRATION

Registration fees for vehicles pay for road construction and maintenance.

Do you travel out of state to transport your commodities? Does your vehicle meet any one of the following criteria?

1. The vehicle or combination weighs more than 26,000 lbs; or
2. The vehicle or combination is registered for more than 26,000 lbs; or
3. The power unit has three or more axles

If you do not meet any of the above criteria, you may travel freely to any other state with the appropriate Iowa licensing, registration, and insurance.

If your vehicle meets the above criteria and you have a regular county plate you must comply with one of the following guidelines:

International Registration Plan (IRP)
Vehicles that meet the above criteria are required to have an International Registration Plan (IRP).
This type of registration and plating is designed for haulers who travel out of state frequently. The IRP is very complex and requires extensive recordkeeping.

Click here to connect to the International Registration Instruction Manual.

Click here for the required application(s) and other documents.

Registration Trip Permit
If your vehicle is registered with a regular county plate, it is advisable that you purchase a single trip permit insted of the International Registration Plan. This permit is much more affordable than the IRP and easier to obtain. The permit is valid for 72 hours or for one trip and costs $10.00.

Click here for a Registration Trip Permit Application

Please not that if your vehicle is registered with a special truck license plate and you plan to travel out of state, no additional registration is needed.

Reciprocity Agreements
Farm vehicles, regardless if the above criteria are met, may travel freely to states or regions that have reciprocity agreements with the state of Iowa. Currently, Iowa farmers are allowed to travel within 30 miles of the Iowa / Wisconsin border without obtaining IRP apportioned plates or trip permits.

Click here to see a map outlining registration permit requirements for non-farm plated trucks.

 
  REGISTRATION TOLERANCE

When in Iowa, trucks or combinations transporting raw agricultural products are allowed to operate in excess of their registration weight by up to 25 percent, up to their maximum gross weight.

This list shall not be deemed conclusive and shall not exclude other commodities that might be considered raw farm products.

Ag limeFresh vegetablesPeat
Blood Grain, threshed Potatoes
Corn cobs Grain, unthreshed Raw dairy products
Dead animals Hair Raw milk
Ear corn Hay, baled/loose Saw logs
Eggs, fresh/frozenHides Separated cream
Firewood Honey Shelled corn
Flax HoneycombSod
Flax seed Live poultry Soil fertilizer
Fodder Livestock Soybeans
Fresh berries Melons Straw, baled/loose
Fresh fruit Nursery stockWool

The 25 percent registration weight tolerance for farm vehicles does not apply outside the state of Iowa, except for Iowa special (farm) plated vehicles transporting raw agricultural products operating in the state of Minnesota, which by written agreement, will be granted the 25 percent tolerance. All other states will honor the Iowa special (farm) plate as a valid license plate, but only up to the stated registered weight.

  FUEL PERMITS & TAXES

Farmers who transport their commodities to market to other states must pay fuel tax for the miles they travel in each state if their vehicle meets any one of the following criteria:

  • vehicle or combination weighs 26,000 pounds or more,
  • vehicle or combination is registered for 26,000 pounds or more
  • vehicle power unit has three or more axles
If you do not meet any of the above criteria, you may travel freely to any other state with the appropriate Iowa licensing, registration, and insurance. If you meet any one of the above criteria, there are three ways to comply the fuel tax requirements:1. Comply with an International Fuel Tax Agreement License
2. Purchase a Temporary Fuel Permit
3. Travel only to cities and states with bordering state reciprocity agreements with Iowa. International Fuel Tax Agreement (IFTA) license must be obtained from your home state. The IFTA license costs $10.00. A copy of this license must be carried in the vehicle and produced on request. IFTA decals are required to be displayed on the exterior of the power unit, one on each side. IFTA decals are 50 cents for a set of two.

Click here for the International Fuel Tax Reporting Compliance Manual

Click here for the required application(s) and other documents Temporary Fuel Permits are an alternative to an IFTA license. A temporary fuel permit can be purchased from the destination state for $20.00 and is valid for 72 hours or for one trip, whichever comes first. Please note that some states limit the number of temporary fuel permits they issue. If the state you wish to travel to a state that is not listed on the application, you will need to contact them directly.

Click here for the Temporary Fuel Permit application Iowa has reciprocity agreements with Minnesota and Wisconsin allowing farm vehicles to operate within 30 miles of the state boarder without a fuel license or decal. Nebraska and Iowa have an agreement to allow farm vehicles to operate without fuel license or decal within the Nebraska cities of Omaha, Bellevue, Dakota City, South Sioux City and Nebraska City; and the Iowa cities of Council Bluffs, Carter Lake, Port Neal and Sioux City.

Please note, Iowa-based carriers operating an IFTA qualified vehicle in another state will need to obtain either a permanent IFTA fuel permit from Iowa, or a fuel trip permit from the state they will be operating through. If they elect the fuel trip permit, when they return to Iowa they will also need an Iowa IFTA fuel trip permit for legal re-entry. If Iowa carriers operate within the provisions of the Nebraska, Minnesota, or Wisconsin border state fuel permit agreements, no fuel permit will be required on either side of the border.


 fb SPECIAL FARM LICENSE PLATE

Special farm license plates are available for trucks or truck-tractor if they are operated under the following criteria:

not for hire

gross weight registration between 6 and 32 tons

used by a person engaged in farming

transports commodities produced or purchased by the owner for

used on the owner’s own farming operation

may assist another person engaged in farming through an exchange of services

truck-tractor can not operated more than 15,000 miles annually.


    All other states will honor the Iowa special (farm) plate as a valid license plate, but only up to the stated registered weight. This means that other states may not recognize the 25% registration weight overage allowance as used in Iowa. Contact the destination state for guidance.

     fb INTERSTATE TRAVEL

    When crossing states lines, farmers need to be aware that law enforcement officials look for U.S. Department of Transportation number, medical cards if driving combination vehicles, annual inspection records, a fire extinguisher and warning triangles (also required for intrastate travel), fuel permits for states and cities without reciprocity agreements, a log book if traveling in more than a 100 mile radius and a commercial drivers license if traveling more than 150 miles.

    Click here for a sample Interstate Travel Checklist.

    When traveling to another state it is advisable to contact their state enforcement authorities to determine exactly what is required. It is also advisable to contact the other state office well in advance of your travel date so as to ensure there is adequate time to apply for and receive the required permits. The Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) field offices can assist with questions and provide you with guidance concerning the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Regulations.

    Click here for contact information of FMCSA state field offices.

       GENERAL USE MESSAGE

    Transportation of commodities and farm supplies is an ever changing and complex component of an agricultural operation. This webpage is intended to help farmers comply with federal and state laws associated with the transportation of agricultural commodities and supplies as private carriers only.

    This website is not intended to be an all-inclusive guide for all types of haulers and commercial business . It should not be used as a substitute for applicable laws of the state of Iowa or federal regulations.

    Please refer to the Iowa Truck Guide if you have questions on transportation issues that are not covered here or call your local motor vehicle enforcement office.

    Click here for contact information.

     
    Found this on the Iowa Farm Bureau website
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    keeponhaulin'
    Reg. Aug 2007
    Posted 2007-09-03 11:22 PM (#67109 - in reply to #66684)
    Subject: RE: Trouble hauling through Iowa


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    Found another website with some articles about the regulations and how they effect those of us who haul.  Please check it out.  http://www.equispirit.com/ is the website.  Look under the articles tab or try this www.eqispirit.com/info/articles.htm

     

    www.nyshc.com/currentissues/CDLrequirementsforhorsetrailers PDF

    www.drafthorsejournal.net/autumn2006/lawandhorses.htm    This article was written by an attorney who also has horses. 

    Try searching: horse trailer hauling regulations, for more articles 



    Edited by keeponhaulin' 2007-09-03 11:44 PM
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    keeponhaulin'
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    Posted 2007-09-03 11:38 PM (#67110 - in reply to #66684)
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    Thought this might help as well.

     

     

    How Federal Motor Carrier Safety Regulations Affect Horse Trailers.

    by Sean Kelleylast modified 2006-10-21 01:33

    In 1986, Congress passed the Federal Commercial Motor Vehicle Safety Act (FCMVSA/86). This law requires each State to meet the same minimum standards for commercial driver licensing. The states may have more stringent regulations of their own, but they may not lessen the standards.


    Commercial Motor Vehicle (CMV) has two definitions according to The United States Department of Transportation (USDOT), Federal Highway Administration FHWA. The difference comes into play when discussing requirements for Commercial Driver's License (CDL) and Federal Motor Carrier Safety Regulations (FMCSR)

    FOR THE PURPOSES OF COMMERCIAL DRIVER'S LICENSE (CDL)

    Commercial Motor Vehicle (CMV) - a motor vehicle or combination of motor vehicles used in commerce to transport passengers or property if the motor vehicle -

    1. has a gross combination weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 lbs. or more inclusive of a towed unit with a gross vehicle weight rating of more than 10,000 lbs.
    2. has a gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of 26,001 lbs. or more or
    3. is designed to transport 16 or more passengers, including the driver: or
    4. is of any size and is used in the transportation of materials found to be hazardous for the purposes of the Hazardous Materials Transportation Act and which require the motor vehicle to be placarded under the Hazardous Materials Regulations.

    FOR THE PURPOSES OF FEDERAL MOTOR CARRIER SAFETY REGULATIONS (FMCSR)

    Commercial Motor Vehicle means any self-propelled or towed vehicle used on public highways in interstate commerce to transport passengers or property when:

    1. the vehicle has a gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) or gross combination weight rating (GCVWR) or 10,001 or more pounds; or
    2. the vehicle is designed to transport more than 15 passengers, including the driver; or
    3. the vehicle is used in the transportation of hazardous materials in a quantity requiring placarding under regulations issued by the Secretary under the Hazardous Materials Transportation Act.

    Interstate Commerce - Any trade, traffic, or transportation in any State which is between a place in a State and a place outside of such State (including a place outside of the United States) or is between two places in a State through another State or a place outside of the United States.

    Intrastate Commerce - 1. Any trade, traffic, or transportation in any State which is not described in the term "interstate commerce" 2. Wholly within one state.

    "Commerce" can be more loosely defined as actually "involved in a commercial venture" or the "intent" to make a profit. This does not mean actually making a profit! Running a commercial stable, hauling horses for show (with intent to profit), race, sale, training, or for compensation are some examples of commercial enterprises. Prize money and showing to increase the value of the horse can be interpreted as profit.

    The Federal Motor Carrier Safety Regulations (FMCSR) in general deal with the marking of the vehicle (identification signs on the vehicle), inspection sticker, medical card, log book, emergencies procedures, and parts and accessories necessary for safe operation. US DOT, FHWA publishes the Federal Motor Carrier Regulations Pocketbook.


    How do these regulations and terms apply to horse trailers?

    1. If you are driving a vehicle or combinations of vehicles under 10,001 lbs. GVWR or GCVWR, you don't have to be concerned with the FMCSR's or a commercial driver's license (CDL). You must, however, follow the safety equipment requirements and driver's license requirements of your own state.
    2. If you are driving a vehicle or combination of vehicles interstate 10,001 to 26,000 pounds GVWR, you must decide if you are commercial and subject to FMCSR. You do not need a commercial driver's license (CDL), although your home state may have an additional classification of driver's license. (The initial decision is up to the owner whether or not he/she is pursuing a hobby or is involved in interstate commerce and he/she bears the burden of proof. If you only travel within your state, you may follow the state definitions of commercial, but if you plan to travel into other states and your vehicle or combination is 10,001 lbs or more, the official recommendation from Federal Authorities is that you follow FMCSR's)
    3. If you are driving a vehicle or combination of vehicles intrastate 10,001 to 26,000 lbs GVWR, you must follow your home state requirements if they differ from the Federal requirements.
    4. If you are driving a vehicle or combinations of vehicles 26,001 lbs. GVWR or more interstate you must have a commercial driver's license (CDL) and you must follow FMCSR.
    5. If you are driving a vehicle or combination of vehicles 26,001 lbs. GVWR or more intrastate, you must follow your state guidelines for commercial licensing (CDL), and FMCSR requirements.

    Farm exemptions can be obtained in some instances, but the vehicle must stay within 150 miles of home.
    Many states require trucks and trailers to have license plates that are labeled "commercial" but this does not always mean you are considered "commercial" in all states.

    This article was written by Neva and Tom Scheve, authors of the, "The Complete Guide to Buying, Maintaining, and Servicing a Horse Trailer" and the owners of EquiSpirit Horse Trailers.

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    Iowa NBHA Webmaster
    Reg. Apr 2005
    Posted 2007-09-04 6:17 AM (#67118 - in reply to #66684)
    Subject: RE: Trouble hauling through Iowa


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    Location: Stockport, Iowa
    Another organization you might contact is the Iowa Horse Council,  http://www.iowahorsecouncil.org/
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    Yvette
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    Posted 2007-09-04 9:06 AM (#67122 - in reply to #67108)
    Subject: RE: Trouble hauling through Iowa



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    International Registration Plan (IRP)
    Vehicles that meet the above criteria are required to have an International Registration Plan (IRP).
    This type of registration and plating is designed for haulers who travel out of state frequently. The IRP is very complex and requires extensive recordkeeping.

    Click here to connect to the International Registration Instruction Manual.

    Click here for the required application(s) and other documents.

     

    Since when is crossing state lines considered international travel? This is insane and definitely a money grab for the feds and states. Ug. Sounds like to be exempt, but still have living quarters and room for tack, etc. is to buy a 30 or 40 foot RV and tow a two horse trailer.

    Otherwise, lots of good trail riding stories are going to be needed.

    And the definition of commerce involving horses is absolutely rediculous. Hauling a horse to a show to increase it's value, bah. Or funnier yet, win money. LOL Most of us keep our horses for life, or donate them to a riding program or child as a first horse long after the horse has lost his/her commercial value. Please, these people really need to get a grip.

     

    Or more, they need to make an amatuer/hobbyist exemption. Cause trust me, I ain't in it for the money. And more importantly, I don't haul regularly enough to be required to jump through that many hoops to goto the very rare and occasional show. Sheesh, Big Brother is upon us.

     

    Then again, if that is the federal definition of intent to profit is just taking a horse to a horse show, does that mean I can goto one show and then write off my years expenses on my horses with the IRS? Shoot, I won't be paying any taxes at the end of the year with that definition. ;)

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    Posted 2007-09-04 9:33 AM (#67125 - in reply to #67118)
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    Originally written by Iowa NBHA Webmaster on 2007-09-04 6:17 AM

    Another organization you might contact is the Iowa Horse Council,  http://www.iowahorsecouncil.org/[/QUOTE]

    There is a link on this website that goes to the Iowa Legislature website.

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    threeman
    Reg. Feb 2004
    Posted 2007-09-04 10:48 AM (#67128 - in reply to #66684)
    Subject: RE: Trouble hauling through Iowa


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    I agree with the writing off deal problem is that then it does become a business.  Also according to my accountant I can only show a loss for 7 years.  jeez what then?  I have been loosing every year.  there is no way for the amateur competitor to profit.  ITS A HOBBY.
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    headhunter
    Reg. Oct 2004
    Posted 2007-09-04 11:06 AM (#67131 - in reply to #66684)
    Subject: RE: Trouble hauling through Iowa



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    I received the following response from Washington State DOT in regard to the question of whether I need a CDL.  I will be printing it out and keeping a copy in my truck:

    You are not required to have a CDL to drive the vehicle configuration you have described.

    1) The total GVWR is under 26001 lbs.

    2) You are operating a recreational type vehicle not for hire

    3) You are not hauling livestock to market.

     

    I pull a horse trailer with full living quarters (includes shower and toilet) with a GVWR of 12,000 lbs with a Ford F350 (one ton) pickup with a GVWR of 11,500.  I attend horse shows where I win prize money, but I have non-pro/amateur status as horses and horse shows are my hobby not my occupation.   My expenses far exceed my winnings, I am not required to report my winnings to the IRS.  Am I exempt from needing a CDL to operate my truck while pulling my trailer? 

     

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    keeponhaulin'
    Reg. Aug 2007
    Posted 2007-09-04 11:13 AM (#67132 - in reply to #66684)
    Subject: RE: Trouble hauling through Iowa


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     If your combined GVWR weight is under 26,001lbs,  you would not fit under the CDL regulations.  However your tralier GVWR seems really light considering the size of your trailer.  I also have a 3 horse with living quarter.  The actual weight of my trailer is around 11,080lbs and the GVWR is 20,000lbs, so you might want to recheck your weight.
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    crowleysridgegirl
    Reg. Apr 2005
    Posted 2007-09-04 11:14 AM (#67133 - in reply to #67131)
    Subject: RE: Trouble hauling through Iowa


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    Well  if you're not,you sure as the H-- ought to be IMO!!!!
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    crowleysridgegirl
    Reg. Apr 2005
    Posted 2007-09-04 11:51 AM (#67135 - in reply to #67131)
    Subject: RE: Trouble hauling through Iowa


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    I contacted our state DOT dept.and talked with several people.They said they had never heard of anything so ridiculous in their lives.
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    crowleysridgegirl
    Reg. Apr 2005
    Posted 2007-09-04 11:54 AM (#67136 - in reply to #67125)
    Subject: RE: Trouble hauling through Iowa


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    Originally written by crowleysridgegirl on 2007-09-04 9:33 AM

    Originally written by Iowa NBHA Webmaster on 2007-09-04 6:17 AM

    Another organization you might contact is the Iowa Horse Council,  http://www.iowahorsecouncil.org/[/QUOTE]

    There is a link on this website that goes to the Iowa Legislature website.

    AND it might figure that this link has permanent fatal errors and was returned to me twice.(The Iowa Legislature omsbudman's web address.)

    They probably don't have one anymore!!!

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