Posted 2008-08-06 9:18 AM (#89117) Subject: your opinion on kids riding horses
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Just wondering what your opinions are on letting small kids ride with the adult
Here's my situation.
I have a 15 mo. daughter that was colicky for the first year of her life. We didn't take her anywhere because of it. Now that she is much better, we've been riding together as a family and she loves it. Even falls asleep on the trail. We only ride with her and our 4 yr. old around home, no hills, mainly field roads etc. Sons rides with dad in a buddy seat and baby rides with me in front in an infant carrier. My horse is 15 years old and very calm and gentle. I love spending time as a family riding. I know accidents happen but I want to know if anyone else out there rides with their small children.
Posted 2008-08-06 10:42 AM (#89123 - in reply to #89117) Subject: RE: your opinion on kids riding horses
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I personally think the choice to include your children is up to you. only you know your horses, your abilities as a rider, your terrain....I take it someone has suggested there is a problem?
My concern is when parents allow kids too much unsupervised activity with horses. I have seen very small kids, leading and riding horses in such a manner I feel they are asking for trouble. I was watching as a 4 yr old riding, a large horse in a crowded arena at a show, got dumped when the kid lost control and rammed into other horses.
if you keep the safety and welfare of your family in mind and not take silly risks, then you have done your job as a parent. You cannot control every situation in life.....
Posted 2008-08-06 11:28 AM (#89126 - in reply to #89117) Subject: RE: your opinion on kids riding horses
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I agree. If you are comfortable with your riding ability and your horse's demeanor, go for it. My nephew began riding in a buddy seat at age 3 or 4 and has logged many miles. He is now 9 and a seasoned rider of a 13hh pony and handles hills and terrain like the rest of us. As much as we try, we can never protect our children from every scenario. Of course, helmets are a wonderful thing, just in case.
Posted 2008-08-06 11:32 AM (#89127 - in reply to #89117) Subject: RE: your opinion on kids riding horses
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Our kids starting riding with us from the time they were 3 to 5 month old. At the time our kids were small our only riding horses were our two breeding Arab stallions. We took the kids everywhere we wanted to go. Hills, streams, we just went as if they were seasoned riders. Obviously, these two stallions were very well trained and very well mannered. The only time they acted like breeding animals was at breeding time when the mare was tied to the breeding fence(solid wood, 8 feet high, fence) We rode with mares in season and the mares acted up more than either of these guys. I recall one ride we took at Brown County State Park. We had the first two little ones with us, and we came up on a group of riders that had two mares in season. Those two mares where the worst behaved horses you can image. The riders were totally unable to control those mares. The mares backed right up under our stallions noses, put our two guys totally ignored them. The riders of the mares said we should not be out there on stallions. I quickly asked them whose horses were behaving and whose were not? End of conversation, we went on ahead of them and listened to those screaming mares for miles.
The first baby rode in front of me on a manmade seat that set on the saddle horn. When the second one came along the first one moved to behind mom in a handmade buddy seat, and the new one was again in front of me. When the third one came along the oldest had her own horse(she was 4 at the time), and we put the two youngest on with us as before.
My only caution is to never attach the child directly to either the rider or the horse. If you need to separate from the horse you don't want the child injured from being attached to you or the horse.
Posted 2008-08-06 12:22 PM (#89133 - in reply to #89127) Subject: RE: your opinion on kids riding horses
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Would you happen to have a pix. of the hand made seat for the front, on the horn? I'd be interested in seeing how you did that. Maybe that would be a better option instead of the infant carrier.
I do feel totally comfortable on my horse, raised him from a baby, and have rode for 15+ years. My mom, every now and then, gets "nervous" when Joni (my daughter) is with me.
I just love it when we can all go together. She pulls leaves from branches and plays with my reins, Jack (he's 4) chatters a mile a minute. Those are the times when I think my babies are growing up too fast!!
Posted 2008-08-06 6:59 PM (#89154 - in reply to #89117) Subject: RE: your opinion on kids riding horses
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Those seats have been gone for a long, long time. But, I believe I can explain it well enough. I took a 4 inch thick piece of foam rubber. Needs to be about an inch thicker than the saddle horn is above the pommel. Cut out a hole on the bottom side of the foam deep enough to let the foam rest on the pommel, but still leave about an inch of foam on top of the horn. Then I cut two grooves for the babies legs to rest in on either side of the horn. Leave enough of the foam between the horn and you that the foam will just rest against your belly. Cut the front of the foam off so the babies feet will still rest on the foam. On one I made I cut a hole thru the center of the foam just behind the horn. Ran a piece of small rope thru the hole and tied the foam in place with the rope.
These babies will fall asleep regularly and for extended periods. Make sure you are in good enough physical condition to hold that dead weight head of theirs.
Posted 2008-08-06 7:49 PM (#89157 - in reply to #89117) Subject: RE: your opinion on kids riding horses
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I think it's great your kids ride with you! My girls (twins) starting riding with us on buddy seats at about age 4-5. One graduated to her own horse at age 5; while her sister didn't ride alone until she was 6. They both have wonderful large ponies (14+ hands) now and are great riders. They both wear helmets at all times which I strongly recommend and always have. I have seen people rider with infants and I think that is a personal choice between you, your spouse and your horse. Some horses don't mind kids and some do. My daughters are almost 9 years old; have taken lessons for two years and go on many long trail rides and love camping with their ponies. My kids love riding different trails and traveling to new places with our horses. While most people may consider this type of "family time" unusual; for us we are making unforgettable memories. Hopefully you will make some of your own with your kids. Good Luck!
Posted 2008-08-06 8:21 PM (#89160 - in reply to #89117) Subject: RE: your opinion on kids riding horses
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To be honest it makes me nervous when I see small children up on horses. There is no such thing as a perfect bomb proof horse. One big horse fly sting in the right place and the rear ends come up on any horse. I have responded to too many bad accidents involving kids and horses, even with helmuts on. You have to understand if a child falls from a 15 hand horse it is the equivelant to an adult falling from 10 feet up. Of course, the parents meaning well always seem to move the child before we can get there and if they have a broken back or neck, that can mean paralyzing your child. Anytime a child falls more than 5 ft you should never move them!
I have learned that there is no such thing as a truly safe horse. They are all animals, with a mind of their own and they are flight animals.
As others have said, only you know your horse partner and your riding skills. You have to also remember it is your childs life in your hands and riding capability. I will not allow anyone to ride double on any of my horses, not because they are not well trained, but because any horse is unpredictible and I will not put someone at risk for mine or their enjoyment. I guess working in the medical field in a rural community you see many things regular folks don't. It is not as rare of an occurance as you would think.
If you wish to do this, make sure you have a cell phone with you when you ride, put a protective vest on your child, as well as a helmet that fits properly. Also, be sure your child has a boots on and pants. I have seen what wearing tennis shoes and shorts can do to a child involved in a riding accident. It is not pretty at all.
Whatever you choose to do is up to you. I don't mean to scare you, but sometimes seeing things from another perspective helps. Obviously you have some second thoughts on it or else you would not have asked the group for their feelings on the subject. Only you can determine what is worth risk and what isn't.
Posted 2008-08-06 9:24 PM (#89164 - in reply to #89117) Subject: RE: your opinion on kids riding horses
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One other thing to consider, is the bobbing of the head on the very small children, short of shaken baby syndrome. When they hit the ground, remember to not move them, consider your ABC's..........airway, breathing, circulation. Cover them for shock and wait for the cavalry....
Posted 2008-08-06 9:52 PM (#89166 - in reply to #89117) Subject: RE: your opinion on kids riding horses
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My son rode in front of me when he was 5 months old, and we hit trails when he was about 10-12 months. I'm a seasoned rider, and my gelding was also very steady. But like someone else said, they're still animals, and stuff can happen, just have to weigh your options and do what you know best. My son started riding in a buddy seat (behind me) when he was about 2. He'd call out "faster, faster" and of course, my old nag just plodded along. My son even kicked my horse (in the flank of course), and we still just walked along.
When he was 6 we finally got him a good trail horse, life was much easier after that!
Sounds like you've got a good idea of yourself and horses too. It's the people that can't ride to begin with, and have goofy horses that worry me!
Posted 2008-08-07 11:38 AM (#89203 - in reply to #89117) Subject: RE: your opinion on kids riding horses
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I'd much rather see kids(including pre-walkers) in constant supervision on horse back with their parents, than the toddlers(and younger ones) crawling around on the city streets with no supervision.
I'd call any of my animals safer than a passing by motorist that can not even see the kids in the streets.
We have some folks down the road from us that let their pre walking age children crawl out into the street with no supervision and they're just over a little rise in the road. More than once I stopped to drive around them. I don't know how they have survived this long. Talking to them is like talking to a brick wall, they think the cars have to dodge their kids. The mothers exact words were "pedestrians have the right of way"
Yes, kids can get hurt on horse back, but so can they in a million other ways. You have to be your on judge of what's best for your kids.
Posted 2008-08-07 1:23 PM (#89213 - in reply to #89117) Subject: RE: your opinion on kids riding horses
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Another thing positive about starting kids young in horses is that they learn responsibility. Kids strive to do things independently evan at a young age. No, when we first started my kids could barely brush a horse but they tried. Now they can groom, fly spray, pick feet, and do the tacking up with the exception of getting their saddles off the rack in the trailer. I still check behind them beacause that is my job to know that they are tacked up safety for them to have a good ride. They understand that you may have to sweat or get a little dirty if you want to enjoy going and riding your horse. Most kids today have no concept of physical labor. Most would be horrified if you asked them to muck out a stall. My kids want to care for their horses. They may complain sometimes, but for the most part they know that it is part of the job and they do it for the love of their horses.
Posted 2008-08-07 1:36 PM (#89214 - in reply to #89117) Subject: RE: your opinion on kids riding horses
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I personally just don't think children under the age of 4 or 5 ought to be on a horse. That said, it is still the parent's perogitive (sp?) No matter how good your horse is things can happen (yes things can always happen, but why do something that you know you can prevent by not doing it?) I had my VERY Gentle old gelding fall flat with me "after" a nice quiet ride and we were about 5 steps away from where I tied to unsaddle. Somehow his back leg slid under him and we when down so fast that I didn't even have time to jump. Thankfully, neither of us was hurt, but I shudder to think what could have happened to a small child. Just my thoughts.
Posted 2008-08-07 2:33 PM (#89217 - in reply to #89214) Subject: RE: your opinion on kids riding horses
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Originally written by Laynie on 2008-08-07 1:36 PM
I personally just don't think children under the age of 4 or 5 ought to be on a horse. That said, it is still the parent's perogitive (sp?) No matter how good your horse is things can happen (yes things can always happen, but why do something that you know you can prevent by not doing it?) I had my VERY Gentle old gelding fall flat with me "after" a nice quiet ride and we were about 5 steps away from where I tied to unsaddle. Somehow his back leg slid under him and we when down so fast that I didn't even have time to jump. Thankfully, neither of us was hurt, but I shudder to think what could have happened to a small child. Just my thoughts.
I totally agree. ,most children that young, have no concept of enjoying the experience and =some are fearfull and to strap a few months old baby onto the back of a horse with its parents ,is all for the fulfillment of the parent,there is nothing positive for the child. I know people have done it with no incidence and some will still do it,trail ride with a small child on the horse,but they won't trail ride with a foal beside the mare ,for fear of the foals safety, I would apply that same standard to the child.IMO the child should be started in the round -pen on a small gentle-pony and the lead line and go through all the steps,same as training a young horse.There's a reason why bikes for small children ,have training wheels.SAFETY it should overide the desire to take risks for pleasure. An adult can take any risk they desire for pleasure,like riding a motorcycle around I-285 in atlanta at rush hour,
Posted 2008-08-07 3:42 PM (#89225 - in reply to #89117) Subject: RE: your opinion on kids riding horses
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My personal feeling is that this thread was started to stir-up drama on the board.
As the owner of some once in a lifetime horses that I would 100% trust my life with I'd have said my kids could have ridden with me, but as the mother of a three month old I'd have to now say 100% no way. I will let him start riding lessons at 6 if he wishes.
It is the responsibility of the parent to protect their child from harm the best way they can. Animals are unpredictable and very small children can't move fast enough or be vigilant and watch for dangerous situations. Remember it's not always "your" horse that causes the problems. My husband worked the ER just long enough for me to get over the "it'll never happen to my child" mindset.
Posted 2008-08-07 7:14 PM (#89240 - in reply to #89117) Subject: RE: your opinion on kids riding horses
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Please have helmets on your children at all times while riding. Also, the above point about shaken baby syndrome is worth thinking about for infants.
We started our child with riding lessons at 2 years and kept it up until she was about 4. Some weeks it only amounted to brushing the pony and being led around the arena for 15 minutes, but it was well worth the investment. She loves horses and riding!
Posted 2008-08-07 10:05 PM (#89252 - in reply to #89117) Subject: RE: your opinion on kids riding horses
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"We did not start kids riding until they KNEW left from right..."
I'm still working on that one some days.
I used to work at a riding stable and we recommended not starting kids until age 6 as a general rule. We did have a few that started earlier. I had one at 3 that kept it up until 7 when she moved away. She was mainly on a "pony ride" for the first 2 years, but she really enjoyed it, and always looked forward to her lessons. On the flip side, I had parents that brought their 4 and 5 year old-basically wanting to force them into lessons-these kids SCREAMED and cried and wouldn't get near a horse. Basically this is your decision and your responsibility, so if you are prepared to live with the consequences in the rare event that something did go wrong, then go ahead. i would be sure to check that your insurance policies cover your baby in the event of an accident. If not and something happens you could find yourself in financial ruin. Overall-if your kids enjoy it and you are taking reasonable precautions against harm(helmets, boots, etc)-go for it. We can't live as though we are afraid of getting hurt-those are the people that never have any joy in their lives!
Posted 2008-08-09 8:47 AM (#89367 - in reply to #89225) Subject: RE: your opinion on kids riding horses
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I did NOT start this thread to cause "drama"! I have more important things to worry about then stirring the pot. I wanted honest opinions on what other riders would do in this situation. If you think that then why did you even bother to post?
I thought this site was to receive and give, honest, open opinions and suggestions, not to be repremanded by others?
Posted 2008-08-09 12:53 PM (#89385 - in reply to #89117) Subject: RE: your opinion on kids riding horses
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To learn, one has to be able to accept a critique. If your mind is already made up, you will learn nothing. There is a great deal of valuable experience in the previous threads, given by those with the best of intentions. Most of us have seen the results of horse related injuries, and would never wish them upon our or any child.
What's more important? The health of your child or the extent of your ego?
Posted 2008-08-09 4:23 PM (#89398 - in reply to #89117) Subject: RE: your opinion on kids riding horses
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Well I';ll pop right on in and say, my son was on Josie with me when he was 3 weeks old and working cattle in the pens and me 3 week out of a c-section. He was in a front papoose like carrier and was in it firm and to this day as a 4 year old, is alot more horse savvy than most adults in our area. It's just depends on you and your values, your horse, terrain, etc. I believe this is a good topic not drama, just someone speaking their thoughts or opinions. It's nice to hear from those who've had small children or have them now and how they ride with them or accomodate that. I'll tell ya what, when he got 3 yrs. it got hard to fit both of us in that tiny 15" seated saddle. He is riding another mare in the pens slowly on his own and learning respect and good horsemanship for the horse.......
Posted 2008-08-11 8:37 PM (#89521 - in reply to #89432) Subject: RE: your opinion on kids riding horses
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Take the kids riding with you! They are a thousand times more likely to be injured on the drive to Walmart than they are riding a well trained horse! No one wants to see a child injured, but teaching a child to be afraid of everything leads to a child who is afraid of living.
Posted 2008-08-12 9:33 AM (#89551 - in reply to #89117) Subject: RE: your opinion on kids riding horses
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It all depends on the child. I was competing at 6. By the time I was 10, I was exercising 5 to 6 horses a day in the summers. But I was raised much like cowpony01's son and grew up with it. My younger brother wasn't on a horse more than a handful of times by the time he was 10. He just never took to it. Even the most gentle horses will occasionally do something to spook. I have been knocked down, stepped on, bucked off, and drug through the dirt by horses, and have never broken a bone from a horse. Broke an arm on a swingset though when I was a kid. And fell on the ice a couple of years ago and had to have my shoulder operated on. Anything can happen at anytime. If we lived worried about what might happen, we'd never get out of bed in the morning.