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tom-tom
Reg. Feb 2008
Posted 2008-07-31 2:37 PM (#88687)
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Is it legal to title a vehicle in a state where you do not own property?
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crowleysridgegirl
Reg. Apr 2005
Posted 2008-07-31 5:15 PM (#88695 - in reply to #88687)
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Why would you want to do that?
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Painted Horse
Reg. May 2005
Posted 2008-07-31 7:31 PM (#88703 - in reply to #88687)
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avoid sales tax.

Lots of folks used to license their LQ in Oregon and Montana because they had no Sales Tax and very low property tax. Laws have changed some and I understand it's more difficult to do now days. A friend of mine bought a nice Hart LQ and had it delivered to Montana where he went and picked it up. He wore montana plates for at least the 1st year. He said he had to play some games to get it done.

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crowleysridgegirl
Reg. Apr 2005
Posted 2008-07-31 8:50 PM (#88711 - in reply to #88703)
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I see.That's what I thought.That kind of thing would catch up with me,tho,and it's not honest.
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tom-tom
Reg. Feb 2008
Posted 2008-07-31 9:10 PM (#88712 - in reply to #88687)
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I was guided by someone and thought it was ok, now its time for renewal and I find out it is illegal.  Looks like I got a mess on my hands.
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Painted Horse
Reg. May 2005
Posted 2008-07-31 10:02 PM (#88714 - in reply to #88712)
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Can't you just get a new title in the state where you reside?  Guess that might be a little trickier if the bank is holding the title. But if you hold clear title, just register it in the new state.

 You are not changing ownership of the trailer, just change the location of where it resides.

Just as if you moved from Oregon to Texas, you would get a new title and license plate for your car.

 

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mingiz
Reg. Jul 2004
Posted 2008-08-01 7:32 AM (#88728 - in reply to #88687)
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I just bought a 03 Exiss Event and I had it tagged and titled in Maine. Cost me a total of 292.00 for title,reg. and 12 yr tag. I live in Md. I would of had to pay close to 2300.00 to get it inspected,titled,tagged and taxes. I asked my bank about it and my insurance Comp. Both didn't care where it was titled as long as it was garaged in MD. So I went that route. Don't know if it's legal but if it was MD would surely be stopping ya and letting you know about it. Beside if it was I know a certain county cop that will be busted right along with me....   Also I didn't tell them it was a LQ just a trailer.....If yo would like the info send me a PM....
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HWBar
Reg. Nov 2005
Posted 2008-08-01 8:32 AM (#88731 - in reply to #88687)
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In Kentucky you don't have to tag, title, or pay sales tax on a trailer. Stock or LQ, the only trailers that have to be titled in Ky are trailers that are registered in a business name, being used for business, then it has to be tagged for the legal weight it is carrying.
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rose
Reg. Feb 2004
Posted 2008-08-01 1:02 PM (#88754 - in reply to #88687)
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Tennessee is the same as Kentucky.

It is immaterial where or whether one owns property;  the state where one is domiciled is more important and that is not necessarily the place one resides. 

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gabz
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2008-08-01 2:45 PM (#88768 - in reply to #88687)
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Gee I don't know about all the shenanigans involved .. but in Michigan they issue ... PERMANENT trailer tags. OH yeah.  (and then they complain because they have not money)

I can't remember the full breakdown, but my first trailer, that was under 2500 pounds empty, was $75.

NExt category is 2500 - 9999 pounds (empty weight) for $200.

Then, 10,000 and over: $300. 

Private or commercial.

That's it. No renewal, no inspections, nothing.  

Not counting sales tax of course. 

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Terri
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2008-08-01 2:57 PM (#88769 - in reply to #88768)
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In NM the DMV told me that permant tags were 4x the yearly tags and only available for private trailers under 6000lbs empty.  My trailer is 6200lbs.  When it comes time to re-register my trailer I'm going to pull out my dividers and remove my spare tires, mats and everything else that can be detatched and have it re-weighed.  NM doesn't have farm tags so my tags are $72 a year. 
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Rockinghorserun
Reg. Feb 2006
Posted 2008-08-02 9:48 PM (#88869 - in reply to #88687)
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Maine is legal to tag out of state trailers.  That's why all the Tractor trailers have Maine tags.  They even have agencies that will do all the work for you.  I just called to have new title registration papers sent to me and the guy told me to register it as trailer only (not a LQ/camper).  I deal directly with Maine DMV and renew every 2 yrs on line.  The agencies can get you 10 year tags.  DE doubled their registration last year and my trailer tags would be $200 a year. Maine is $43 for 2 years.

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Painted Horse
Reg. May 2005
Posted 2008-08-03 7:15 AM (#88873 - in reply to #88687)
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I know that here it's a state law that you are supposed to get new plates within so many days of moving into the state ( I think 90days)  Cops cruise appartment complexs and Motel parking lots at night and run out of state plates. They occassionally catch the fleeing felon from out of state. But they also occassionally ticket somebody for not getting their new plates.

Also if they pull you over for any reason, they look at your drivers license, license plate on the vehicles, and your insurance papers, They of course should all match. If your Drivers license says you live in Utah, then your plates and insurance papers should all say the same.

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rose
Reg. Feb 2004
Posted 2008-08-03 10:50 AM (#88886 - in reply to #88687)
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And it is one's domicile which controls, not one's residence.
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classygirl98
Reg. Jan 2005
Posted 2008-08-03 11:29 AM (#88890 - in reply to #88687)
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Rose, can you please explain the definition of domicile. When I looked it up there was not a major difference between the word domicile and the place where one resides. Maybe I am just interperting it wrong. So you can legally live in MO for example and completely be legal if you tag and title you vehicle in the state of Maine? Do you have to insure through the state of Maine also? To me it seems like all of this is boiling down to saving money. Yes, I have to watch my pennies like everyone else, especially now with the economy the way it is.
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crowleysridgegirl
Reg. Apr 2005
Posted 2008-08-03 2:25 PM (#88903 - in reply to #88687)
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I don't get it,what do you do about the address on the title if you title it in another state,do they send it to your state where you live with that other (false) address on it,or what? what about insuring it? What about if it's stolen? I'm for saving money too,but,bottom line is,it's a LIE if you say something other than the truth in trying to title a trailer.
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Rockinghorserun
Reg. Feb 2006
Posted 2008-08-03 5:00 PM (#88914 - in reply to #88687)
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Before I tagged in Maine I called my DMV and they said it was not illegal but they didn't recommend it since I was taking money away from the state.  My Maine title has my home address on it and my insurance knows it's tagged in Maine and has no problem with it.  I know state employees that have their trailers tagged in Maine and I don't think they would jeopardize their job if it was illegal.
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rose
Reg. Feb 2004
Posted 2008-08-03 11:08 PM (#88947 - in reply to #88687)
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ClassyGirl
Domicile means one's permanent legal home. For example, if you own a farm in IL, a condo in FL, and you live in an apartment in Atlanta when not in London or Scotland, where would you title and tag your vehicle? Where would you vote? Where would you get your driver's license? If you died, where would your estate be probated (assuming you did not have a trust set up)? The jurisdiction for probate is your domicile which is not necessarily your residence.
One may have many residences but only one domicile.
Hope this helps.
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PaulChristenson
Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2008-08-04 2:57 AM (#88951 - in reply to #88914)
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Originally written by Rockinghorserun on 2008-08-03 6:00 PM

Before I tagged in Maine I called my DMV and they said it was not illegal but they didn't recommend it since I was taking money away from the state.  My Maine title has my home address on it and my insurance knows it's tagged in Maine and has no problem with it.  I know state employees that have their trailers tagged in Maine and I don't think they would jeopardize their job if it was illegal.

And that is the magic word...it is NOT illegal...YET...if a state legislator suddenly got a bee in his bonnet about LOST REVENUE...he/she could probably run a bill thru the legislature in ONE session...

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Rockinghorserun
Reg. Feb 2006
Posted 2008-08-04 6:41 AM (#88957 - in reply to #88687)
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This is true but think of all the trucking businesses that would be against it. And I suppose the truck unions would have something to say to the legislators.
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rose
Reg. Feb 2004
Posted 2008-08-04 7:32 AM (#88958 - in reply to #88687)
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So you are saying that when one goes from one residence to another, one must whip out a different tag, dl etc? Won't work.....truckers used to have multiple dls....every state they pulled thru....that was stopped because a dl revocation in one state did not have any effect....just whip out another. Seems to me the Maine trailer tag is no different than the Delaware corporation.
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PaulChristenson
Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2008-08-04 3:59 PM (#88988 - in reply to #88957)
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Originally written by Rockinghorserun on 2008-08-04 7:41 AM

This is true but think of all the trucking businesses that would be against it. And I suppose the truck unions would have something to say to the legislators.

 

I'm NOT talking about businesses...I'm talking about a state stopping individuals without residences...
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rose
Reg. Feb 2004
Posted 2008-08-04 4:35 PM (#88991 - in reply to #88687)
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Paul I am a lil dense sometimes so please help me out....If I have Md dl, Md plates on my truck, proof of insurance from an ins co and a Maine tag on my trailer, you believe I might have a problem? That may be so but probably only in Iowa. I pull my trailer with no tag and have done so for as long as I have been pulling trailers. Have never been stopped for no tag on my trailer. But I do not speed and I always check my lights before pulling out. I am legal in KY and TN with no tag on my trailer. Currently I have houses in both states, so I am running TN tags on my car and KY tags on my truck....and still have a TN dl.

So where is my domicile?



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HWBar
Reg. Nov 2005
Posted 2008-08-04 7:46 PM (#89011 - in reply to #88687)
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I also live in Kentucky, I travel all over central US with no tags on my trailer and I have also never been stopped and checked for anything. I also drive the speed limits or 5-7 mph over. All my lights work and some of my trailers have even had a few extra lights. 

I don't see the problem, license it where ever it's cheapest.

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PaulChristenson
Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2008-08-04 9:15 PM (#89015 - in reply to #88991)
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Originally written by rose on 2008-08-04 5:35 PM

Paul I am a lil dense sometimes so please help me out....If I have Md dl, Md plates on my truck, proof of insurance from an ins co and a Maine tag on my trailer, you believe I might have a problem? That may be so but probably only in Iowa. I pull my trailer with no tag and have done so for as long as I have been pulling trailers. Have never been stopped for no tag on my trailer. But I do not speed and I always check my lights before pulling out. I am legal in KY and TN with no tag on my trailer. Currently I have houses in both states, so I am running TN tags on my car and KY tags on my truck....and still have a TN dl.

So where is my domicile?

If you have a residence in a state with no tag requirement at all, why would you tag your trailer in Maine?

I was responding to an individual that has no tie to Maine other than having plates issued from there...

If you reread what I wrote...I said that it would NOT be unusual for a state legislator to decide to improve the revenue picture of his/her state by passing a law making a resident have all of their vehicles, trailers, atvs, boats, et cetera licensed in the state of their residence...ONCE THAT HAPPENED, you would be required by law to by licensed in state of residence...

MD, which you chose as an example, says you have 90 days upon establishing residency to get licensed in that state.

It really comes down to where you file your state tax return, if the state you live in has that...

 

If you are licensing out of state to AVOID personal property tax...I think those states will take exception to the idea...

 



Edited by PaulChristenson 2008-08-04 9:19 PM
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