Posted 2008-05-07 2:44 PM (#83417 - in reply to #83404) Subject: RE: Do you tip the horse shoer?
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No, I'm already paying him to trim them and since he is "independant" he gets all the money. I don't use shoes so the only expense he has for my horses is the 5 mile drive over and maybe an ocassional sharpening of the blades so the $150 I pay him is his tax free unless he is honest and reports it.
Posted 2008-05-07 2:46 PM (#83418 - in reply to #83404) Subject: RE: Do you tip the horse shoer?
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I don't tip my farrier. He owns his own business, as do most farriers. If he wanted more money, he'd charge more. Same goes for most everything--I never tip the owner, but I would tip an employee an amount that corresponds with the quality of their work.
That being said, I've done different things for the farrier. Provided a place to sleep for the night, bought him supper, offered him a beer, etc. Also, sometimes I'll pay him more than he billed as a result of him going out of his way to make me happy. I suppose you could consider that a tip, but I don't.
Posted 2008-05-07 6:49 PM (#83451 - in reply to #83404) Subject: RE: Do you tip the horse shoer?
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I always tip my farrier, as I look at it this way, when I get a manicure or a hair cut I tip them, well they are giving my horses a "pet-icure" so why shouldn't I? Especially with fuel prices going up and his hasn't.
Posted 2008-05-07 7:32 PM (#83454 - in reply to #83404) Subject: RE: Do you tip the horse shoer?
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I tip at Christmas, either with money or a gift. I would consider tipping regularly if you had a horse that was difficult, or needed special shoes or something that took up a lot of extra time. I consider my farrier a lot more valueable than the workers at Starbucks and look at how much everyone tips them!
Posted 2008-05-07 8:37 PM (#83459 - in reply to #83404) Subject: RE: Do you tip the horse shoer?
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I have been throwing in a little extra lately for my farrier since she has not raised her prices in a while and the price of gas is so ridiculous (she has to drive 40 miles to get to me).
Posted 2008-05-08 6:23 AM (#83473 - in reply to #83404) Subject: RE: Do you tip the horse shoer?
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My farrier, vet and hay supplier get homemade brownies, or pies, etc., with every visit. The vet gets 2 containers, one for his office staff (the "gatekeepers") and one for he and his wife. If it is an emergency, I take the goodies to the office at a later time. The farrier and his wife get a gift certificate at Christmas, and he keeps the "change" when paid. Such as $141 bill, he is given $145 or $150. The farrier is my neighbor, so gas is not an issue. The hay supplier also gets an outfit for his 3 year old daughter with each delivery. He could be charging me alot more to deliver and stack in the barn, and I am appreciative!
Posted 2008-05-08 7:14 AM (#83476 - in reply to #83404) Subject: RE: Do you tip the horse shoer?
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I certainly don't.I know it is hard and sometimes dangerous work,but,they regularly go up on their prices around here as it is.We have good safe horses to shoe,and I am always home when he arrives and have the horses out ready,and provide a shady place in which to work,ect.I have made sandwiches,offered cold drinks,and we used to have a young farrier that was really good,and we gave him tack that we no longer used.It was not junk,it was good usable tack.I hate to say this,but,around here,most of them are liars.They will schedule shoeing times,then not show up,don't call,ect.We put up with this for years just to have shoes on horses.I think (fingers crossed and breath held) that we may have a good one now,and he is paid accordingly.
Posted 2008-05-08 7:34 AM (#83479 - in reply to #83404) Subject: RE: Do you tip the horse shoer?
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I appreciate the response. I feel I should explain why I'm asking. I have recently moved and have been fortunate enough to be re-located to an area close to an Amish settlement. My former farrier was also Amish who had a large clientele of non-Amish. It was a longer drive to that farrier, about 15 miles, and I always had to drive to make an appointment before I went. I never tipped but I had 2 horses that were pretty well behaved. The worse they ever did was maybe lean a little bit every once in awhile. For years I paid $16 plus the cost of shoes! I know! I should have felt guilty and I did! My new shoer is less than 5 miles away and last year charged $18/horse and has gone up to $20. Yesterday I took my 2 old horses plus a new 4 yr. old that I recently acquired. The 4 yr. old acted up pretty bad and seems to have an attitude. Then for some reason one of my old guys acted up so he had to wrestle with him a little bit. I came away feeling that I should have given him a tip and I'm going to go over and give him some more money today! I'm kind of like the one poster, they could charge more if they wanted to and most farriers do, that's for sure! My daughter pays $30 for a trim and $70 for shoes!
Posted 2008-05-08 9:01 AM (#83491 - in reply to #83404) Subject: RE: Do you tip the horse shoer?
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Were at $90 every six weeks, I don't tip, but offer a beer, dinner, ect. And if were the last stop, he'll come inside for a snack ~ If he brings he's child, we do a little something special to entertain him. I do feel a little guilty, we only have one horse, but we also let him come on his schedule, not ours unless something is wrong. We are very thankful for his friendship and his services.
Posted 2008-05-08 9:13 AM (#83493 - in reply to #83404) Subject: RE: Do you tip the horse shoer?
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I don't normally tip the farrier. I do provide cold drinks and a fan in the aisle of the barn where they work. However, in Lea Anne's situation, I might have thrown in a few extra dollars to compensate for the horse being cantankerous.
Hound dog - when the farrier is Amish...yes, you take the horses to them. At least that's how they do it here. The Amish shoe for outsiders on Wed. and Sat. and the trailers will be lined up six or seven deep by 8:00am. The Amish around here do a great job on QH types, but I don't like how they set my gaited horses, so we only use them occasionally.
Posted 2008-05-08 12:25 PM (#83519 - in reply to #83479) Subject: RE: Do you tip the horse shoer?
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Originally written by Lea Anne on 2008-05-08 7:34 AM
. For years I paid $16 plus the cost of shoes! I know! I should have felt guilty and I did! My new shoer is less than 5 miles away and last year charged $18/horse and has gone up to $20.
DANG!!!If that's all I had to pay,I guess I WOULD tip the farrier something!
I just paid ours $145 to shoe 2 adults and do a trim on a yearling!
Posted 2008-05-08 3:51 PM (#83536 - in reply to #83404) Subject: RE: Do you tip the horse shoer?
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Well, I tip my farrier! (he's my husband!)
Just in a days work, he normally does not get a $ tip. Glass of tea, soda pop etc maybe, and appreciates that.
On race horses and show horses, when they have a special competition or special problem, a lot of times there is a significant tip, but those are horses that are making money, and there is a lot of difference in that, and the regular recreational horse owner. He has flown across the country to do two shoes, but that horse needed to qualify for a futurity finals, and spent a week on one horse, but it need to run the the Derby, so those are much different. Horses have been hauled here a bunch, and he also spends a lot of time at the vet clinics for calls and to farms. I agree, there are a lot of inconsiderate "professionals" out there. Alot of times, when he goes to a job, there is the "while you're here" extra project, and if that is early in the day, that makes for a late day. He does call if he is running late, which often happens. He does not say "See ya Tuesday" and not show and no call. He knows people make special arrangements, horses shut up, people to be there etc, and to be a no show is very rude.
Posted 2008-05-08 4:31 PM (#83538 - in reply to #83534) Subject: RE: Do you tip the horse shoer?
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Originally written by RoperChick on 2008-05-08 3:45 PM He makes between $250k to $300k a year
Did he tell you that? What is "make"? Net income? Gross income? Revenue?
I seriously doubt any farrier clears $300k per year. Let's pretend it is just revenue, and do some math. To simplify, let's figure it in equivalent trims, acknowledging that a shoe job takes more time than a trim, but also costs more (for both the farrier and the customer). So, at $30 for a trim he'd have to do 27 horses every day of every week, or at $50 he'd have to do 16 horses every day of every week. I have two friends that are farriers in their late 20s and are in prime physical condition. Both would say that they physically could not do 27 horses every single day. 16 would even be a stretch. Sure, there's probably plenty of days when they do 27 or more horses, but it's not every day or even a stretch of days in a row. So, even if it's $300k in revenue, I still have a tough time believing it.
Let's go about the math another way. Pretend he can get every horse on an 8 week schedule. We know very few customers actually do that, but it would be ideal for the farrier. At $50 each, he'd have to have 923 horses. The 923 would grow significantly, considering the longer/inconsistent schedule most people keep. 923. That's ridiculous. And the number grows to over 1500 at $30 each. Both of my farrier friends say if they had 300 to 400 horses, they'd have about as much as they could handle.
Now, income. Subtract cost of fuel, vehicle maintenance, shoes, rasps, other tools, cell phone, showing up for no-show customers, self-paid costs that most of us have through our employer, etc.
I bet his 1040 doesn't show $300k, and if it does he better get a new accountant.
Posted 2008-05-08 9:16 PM (#83552 - in reply to #83404) Subject: RE: Do you tip the horse shoer?
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I don't tip mine. He is up to $35 on a trim. If I had one that acted real bad I'd offer more, but mine are all good with their feet. Also my guy has a good paying full time job and does this on the side. If it was his only sorce of income I'd consider tipping, maybe. He is dependable tho, real rare around here.
Posted 2008-05-08 9:35 PM (#83553 - in reply to #83536) Subject: RE: Do you tip the horse shoer?
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My husband is also a farrier - part time on nights and weekends. He is no where near as prestigious as your husband, Flying H.
Jay does not normally get tips (at least not that I know of ). He charges $25 for trim and $50/75 for shoes front/all round. He always calls if he's going to be late and I've never known him to no show for a client.
Some things he appreciates much more than a tip are
1. Not having to train a client's horse to trim/shoe it. He charges $400 a month to break horses.
2. Not having to chase horses in 10 acre pastures. His clients always know when he's coming. He does not mind catching the horses and a lot of times clients will not be there (he's been doing most of his clients for 4+ years and they trust him with their horses). But he's not going to chase our horses & he's certainly not going to chase a client's.
3. A cool drink on a hot day. July, August, & September are particularily hot in SC. A cool drink between horses is much appreciated.
4. Payment before he leaves. He has a few customers with horses at a boarding stable that are on a routine, he's goes and trims them and then let's the owner know the amount. He's never had any problems but these are 'special' customers.
Posted 2008-05-09 12:33 AM (#83561 - in reply to #83417) Subject: RE: Do you tip the horse shoer?
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I just had to bite my tounge on this one, since my boyfriends a farrier. Before dating him I didn't realize how much they spend on expenses, and how hard shoeing is on their body. I agree that they have a career choice, but they don't pocket as much as you think. Lets talk about a few of their expenses, Truck payments and wear and tear, fuel, shoes, shoeing tools, shoeing trailers, health insurance ( since their self employed) cell phones to call customers, and lets not forget retirement, and yes most shoers have to account for taxes ( 30%) the list goes on and on) Most do not exspect tips, but if you have a horse that is difficult, and they stay around, it might be a good idea to tip, to make them coming back. I almost forgot, who pays his or her bills when your horse pulls back and blows a knee, he doesn't have worksman comp???? Are you responsible, in most cases no!!! So with that said if your horse stays sound, and your shoer shows up on time, and is good to work with, express your graditude, just as he should as well.
Posted 2008-05-09 1:31 AM (#83563 - in reply to #83538) Subject: RE: Do you tip the horse shoer?
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Originally written by jdzaharia on 2008-05-08 3:31 PM
Originally written by RoperChick on 2008-05-08 3:45 PM He makes between $250k to $300k a year
Did he tell you that? What is "make"? Net income? Gross income? Revenue?
I seriously doubt any farrier clears $300k per year. Let's pretend it is just revenue, and do some math. To simplify, let's figure it in equivalent trims, acknowledging that a shoe job takes more time than a trim, but also costs more (for both the farrier and the customer). So, at $30 for a trim he'd have to do 27 horses every day of every week, or at $50 he'd have to do 16 horses every day of every week. I have two friends that are farriers in their late 20s and are in prime physical condition. Both would say that they physically could not do 27 horses every single day. 16 would even be a stretch. Sure, there's probably plenty of days when they do 27 or more horses, but it's not every day or even a stretch of days in a row. So, even if it's $300k in revenue, I still have a tough time believing it.
Let's go about the math another way. Pretend he can get every horse on an 8 week schedule. We know very few customers actually do that, but it would be ideal for the farrier. At $50 each, he'd have to have 923 horses. The 923 would grow significantly, considering the longer/inconsistent schedule most people keep. 923. That's ridiculous. And the number grows to over 1500 at $30 each. Both of my farrier friends say if they had 300 to 400 horses, they'd have about as much as they could handle.
Now, income. Subtract cost of fuel, vehicle maintenance, shoes, rasps, other tools, cell phone, showing up for no-show customers, self-paid costs that most of us have through our employer, etc.
I bet his 1040 doesn't show $300k, and if it does he better get a new accountant.
Ummm.... I didn't say clears that kind of $, those figures are gross income. But here in SoCal the good shoers get $ 100.00 to $ 150.00 for a set of normal shoes. Pads or special shoeing is much higher. He charges $ 140.00 for a normal set of shoes, he gives us a very good discount (thank goodness), but he does 10 to 15 horses a day (and has more work than he can handle), so you do the math.