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Terri
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2008-05-05 10:22 PM (#83223)
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My daughters mare coliced Sat night (a week after we put down her 17yr old dog).  We fed at 5 and went out, when we got home she was stuck under the fence and when we got her out she went and started rolling.  We called the vet out and he tubed her and gave her some banamine but in the morning she was at it again so we took her in to the clinic.  He said to take her to the equine hospital 2hrs away so we did and they have her on an IV because she got dehydrated.  They said over hydrating her and tubing her with electrolytes would help break down the blockage, they don't think she has a twisted gut.  She has a good heart rate and gut sounds.  She is still bloated and is passing a small amount of stool but......   Surgury isn't an option because I just don't have 5-7 grand. 

 

Lots of Prayers PLEASE.  I delivered this mare, I don't want to burry her yet.  She's only 2.



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calamityj
Reg. Jun 2005
Posted 2008-05-05 10:33 PM (#83226 - in reply to #83223)
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I hope your mare comes through ok... Keep thinking positive. We had a fifteen year old gelding with colic (more than once) and now he is 24 yrs old and still with us... but it is sure scary when you have to go through this. I am not exactly a bible thumper... but sometimes we have to give it to a higher power.
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Posted 2008-05-05 10:48 PM (#83229 - in reply to #83223)
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Reiki on the way. Please keep us updated. {{{HUGS}}}
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Terri
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2008-05-05 10:50 PM (#83231 - in reply to #83223)
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I've been in tears all day because I just don't know.  Some times she seems better, then the pain killer/ tranqulizer wears off. 

 

Here's hoping the vet doesn't call tonight.  It would only be bad news and my husband won't let me spend the night at the vets office..... again.

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genebob
Reg. Nov 2007
Posted 2008-05-05 11:27 PM (#83234 - in reply to #83223)
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Had a mare that coliced three years ago. vet was here for three days. Told us she needed surgery, but like you, couldn't and wouldn't pay $5-7k. On Sunday night when he left at 7:30, he said to let him know in the morning if he needed to come put her down. At 10:00 a.m. he stopped just to see how we were doing. Couldn't believe it when he saw the mare trotting up and down her run snorting to get out with the others. Just a happy ending story to keep your spirits up.
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hounddog
Reg. Dec 2005
Posted 2008-05-06 7:31 AM (#83248 - in reply to #83223)
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Two hours to a vet clinc? I'm shocked the vet didn't get the IV fliuds going and tube her himself.I'm less then 30 minutes from a Vet school but any vet I've used around here try NOT to send them to a vet clinic.We have even run IV fliuds in both sides of the neck at the same time.Last one I went to put down it was 1a.m. and decided to keep her on pain meds until day break.At 5 am the poop and the tubing meds started coming through.All was ok by the next day.

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calamityj
Reg. Jun 2005
Posted 2008-05-06 8:58 AM (#83252 - in reply to #83223)
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Houndog, you are right!! I remember holding my gelding's head on my shoulder while IV fluids dripped...and staying with him in our vet's clinic until about 3:45 AM until he seemed to have relief... then loading him and taking him home... the vet also tubed him with oil and gave him some banamine... we were almost sure we would lose him... maybe the vet is not an equine or large animal specialist??? I know there is more money in "fluffy & puffy" practice, but there are still passionate vets who love horses practicing out there...
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hounddog
Reg. Dec 2005
Posted 2008-05-06 9:23 AM (#83258 - in reply to #83223)
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We run haystrings over rafters in the barn to hold IV bags.Been out there at 1am in 18 degree weather and a good ice storm happening,moving pads drapped all over the horse and the wife heading to the house to put bags in the microwave to heat it before hooking up a fresh bag.Thats the first time we used two bags at a time.Had a T.B race track groom tell me about THAT trick.Said don't let a vet use one at a time and you freeze your tail off as well as getting fliuds in quicker.TWO big veins,use them is what he said.My vet went DUHHH I never thought of that! We froze that night.
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notfromtexas
Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2008-05-06 9:38 AM (#83261 - in reply to #83223)
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My thoughts are with you and your horse.  I don't know if this applies to you, but I carry mortality insurance on my gelding and it has a $3,000 emergency colic surgery rider included.  I hope all turns out well.
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hounddog
Reg. Dec 2005
Posted 2008-05-06 10:51 AM (#83273 - in reply to #83223)
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How is she doing?
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Spooler
Reg. Aug 2006
Posted 2008-05-06 6:47 PM (#83312 - in reply to #83223)
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Hope your horse is better.  Been through it several times and will again. It always happens at the worse moment. Like working all day. Power napping for 1 hrs, going back to work all night getting in at 7:30am to feed and have a colicy horse. Stay up until 5:00PM until all is well. What we go through for these rascals only a passionate person would do....

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Terri
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Posted 2008-05-06 10:07 PM (#83328 - in reply to #83223)
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We went in this morning and she was no better. We walked her and she was passing very small amounts of very watery manure, but when they checked her there was no gut sounds. We talked about putting her down but I just couldn't bear to do it so we decided to talk to the Dr about the surgury. The surgeons said she had a good heart rate and a normal temp and they though she had a good chance but wouldn't know until they got in there and found the problem. We talked it over and decided to see if we could get financing through care credit, we did, so we told them to do the surgury but if they found something they didn't think she would survive to stop and put her down.

I was an emotional wreck and my husband didn't want me to be there "just in case" but he was with her the whole time and helped out. He was suited up to observe but one of the assistants had the flu so they wouldn't let him in so my husband stood in for him. Just filling buckets, holding hoses, "go for" type stuff but he thought it was really cool. They said her intestines were full. The colin and both intestines were HUGE and she had rocks in them. ROCKS. The idiotic mare ate ROCKS!!! I asked about sand since we were in the desert, but the surgeon said there was almost none and we were doing good in that area.


She did well and was up and on IV fluids when we finally left. We left the kids with some friends Sat and we just got home a few hours ago. The vet said she would call in the morning, sooner if anything was wrong. We didn't want to spend the money, but I'm glad we did. And so is my husband even though he's complaining about it.




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Terri
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2008-05-06 10:17 PM (#83330 - in reply to #83248)
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Originally written by hounddog on 2008-05-06 7:31 PM

Two hours to a vet clinc? I'm shocked the vet didn't get the IV fliuds going and tube her himself.I'm less then 30 minutes from a Vet school but any vet I've used around here try NOT to send them to a vet clinic.We have even run IV fliuds in both sides of the neck at the same time.Last one I went to put down it was 1a.m. and decided to keep her on pain meds until day break.At 5 am the poop and the tubing meds started coming through.All was ok by the next day.

The vet here works on large animals, but I don't think he is comfortable with them.  He tubed her Sat morning but it didn't do anything.  He's the only vet in about 60 miles and isn't set up for large animal surgurys.  He told us to take her to the other clinic becuase it was beond his ability.  I'm glad he said so instead of trying to bluff it.  We took her to a Equine Sports Medicine and Surgury Clinic near Sunland Park Racetrack.  They are supposed to be the best in the state/area.  They were very good with the mare and have a wonderfull facility.  Very patient and there was a vet on duty 24hrs and I saw at least 2 assistants there overnight checking vitals and conditions of all the animals there.  They let me stay for 2 1/2 days, putting food/drinks in their break frig.  They are wonderfull. 

Now if the mare can just keep from getting any infections or secondary problems.



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notfromtexas
Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2008-05-07 7:56 AM (#83344 - in reply to #83223)
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Glad that she came out of surgery well.  Rocks, yes I can believe it...a friend has a horse that has gone through not one but TWO colic surgeries...the second time they found NUTS and BOLTS (yes, the metal kind) in his stomach.  Just amazing what they will get into sometimes.
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terri s
Reg. Sep 2005
Posted 2008-05-07 12:16 PM (#83393 - in reply to #83223)
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I am SOOOO glad your mare is doing better. Rocks-who would have thought? We've all been in your shoes, good thoughts headed your way.
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Terri
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Posted 2008-05-07 12:34 PM (#83397 - in reply to #83223)
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I just talked to the vet and they said she was doing well. They gave her a small bit of SR feed this morning and have been monitoring her. They said they were keeping the muzzle on her because she is hungry and trying to eat the shavings.
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Reg. Nov 2003
Posted 2008-05-08 12:02 AM (#83469 - in reply to #83223)
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The "rocks" you refered to are enteroliths.

Enteroliths are stones that can form in the intestinal tract of the horse. The stones are primarily composed of magnesium, ammonium and phosphate. The minerals are laid down in concentric rings around a ‘nidi’, which is an ingested foreign object such as a small pebble, fragment of baling twine, small piece of wire, or even a grain of sand. A horse with enteroliths is said to be suffering enterolithiasis. There may be a single stone in the intestinal tract or multiple stones. The size and shape of stones varies between cases. In general, multiple enteroliths are likely to be tetrahedral in shape and large single enteroliths are usually spherical.

Enterolithiasis is a common cause of colic worldwide but its prevalence varies widely between geographical locations and this is probably reflective of the mineral composition of soil and feed material variations between regions. In California, enterolithiasis is the single most common cause of colic requiring surgery. Due to its local importance, much of the research information available concerning enteroliths originates from the University of California, Davis.                  I know several horses who have had successful colic surgery, and have gone on to be just as useful as they were before surgery.  You may have to change your feed and hay, but she should be fine.  Good Luck

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Terri
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Posted 2008-05-08 11:50 PM (#83557 - in reply to #83469)
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 The surgeon said she was ingesting rocks.  He said they weren't the enteroliths.    I've got one here and it's actually fairly pretty, or it would be if it was polished.  It's a gold color with silver specks.

 

It actually wasn't the rocks that caused the colic (though I'm sure they didn't help).  It was the hay.  Since the filly coliced two more of my horses have coliced.  The only common thread between them is the hay.  One gets foal feed, one gets sr feed and the other is on a sweet feed.  The vets said there are a lot of horses at their Weatherford Tx clinic for colic and they only thing they can find is the hay.  They said they have had it tested and can't find a reason for it.  The only thing they can figure is that the hay was cut late because of the rain and it is "mature" and the horses aren't chewing it up enough and it's causing impactions.

 

I talked to a friend of mine who works for my old vet in S. TX (my coastal hay came from TX) and he said they have been having a lot of colic cases there too.  They said the hay fields are full of walking sticks and that they are toxic to horses and they believe that is what is causing the colic.  They are supposed to paralize the gut (he said rumen) so the "stuff" in there settles and compacts and dries out then when the toxin wears off the intestines can't move the feed and they get impacted.   They have been checking bales of hay and have found them dead and alive in the hay.  I've been trying to search for info on the web but everything about toxic bugs/hay/horses only comes up with blister beetles in alfalfa.



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Terri
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Posted 2008-05-08 11:55 PM (#83559 - in reply to #83261)
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notfromtexas   Who do you have your insurance with?

 

 



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hounddog
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Posted 2008-05-10 6:56 AM (#83638 - in reply to #83223)
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How ironic that the discussion about rocks and forgein objects was being posted when my wife who has not been reading this said she found about a 4x5 section of dark blue ballon in the manure balls of a 2 y.o. Walking horse gelding we have.Must have been in the hay.
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Posted 2008-05-10 7:37 PM (#83673 - in reply to #83223)
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Terri-I have mine through LCI, which I believe shops around different companies for the best rate.  I got basic mortality when I first got my horse.  For $150 a year he is covered for $3500 (what I paid for him) and has a $3000 emergency colic rider.  The price would of course vary on a lot of factors.  I like LCI, I had contacted about half a dozen companies when I was looking and 2 didn't call me back, and 2 were disinterested/rude.  LCI was very professional and answered all my questions.  Their number is 1-800-874-1789, website is www.lcihorse.com .

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Terri
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Posted 2008-05-10 9:42 PM (#83677 - in reply to #83673)
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Thanks.  I'll have to look into them.
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Terri
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Posted 2008-05-10 9:50 PM (#83678 - in reply to #83223)
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My 6yr old mare is back home and they think my 18 yr old man will be home tomorrow.  Those are the other two that coliced.  The vet/surgeon said they expect to release my filly on Monday.  They said she is doing much better than they ever thought she would considering the condition she was in before sugury.
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Posted 2008-05-10 10:05 PM (#83679 - in reply to #83223)
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Glad its all good news for you.
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Terri
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Posted 2008-05-10 10:17 PM (#83680 - in reply to #83679)
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Thanks.  It's good news so far.  Until we start getting the bills, then I'm likely to be in the hospital with my husband.  At least we have good health insurance.  The heart attack he's gonna have will only cost us $100!!!
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