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retento
Reg. Aug 2004
Posted 2008-04-02 12:42 PM (#80966)
Subject: Lookin at a truck.... well kinda!


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Go to this site ...    http://www.capitalford.com/used-inventory/used-inventory-iframe.htm?reset=InventoryListing     and type in stock #P25913   The area is near the top right.  The truck is a 2005 F450, 4x4 with less than 10,000 miles. Good looking body with air suspension on the rear. Tell me what ya'll think.

There's another, a 2006 F450 2x4, with a pickup bed. It's stock #P25392

I tried to find a way to just list the trucks, but my stupid is running a little deep today...

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Towfoo
Reg. Jan 2008
Posted 2008-04-02 12:58 PM (#80969 - in reply to #80966)
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An '05 with only 9400 miles...wow. Generally the newer the model the better with the 6.0L, but I'm sorta partial to the 4x4. Maybe you don't need it, though. The '06 also looks like the tires are worn unevenly...suspension issues? Be sure you get the dealer to run an OASIS report on whichever one you pick. That'll give you the full service history (or lack thereof).
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Tx. Vaquero
Reg. Jun 2006
Posted 2008-04-02 1:07 PM (#80970 - in reply to #80966)
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That's a good looking truck and the bed is the nicest I've seen. Now I'll give you the bad side of what I've been told by the service manager at a Ford dealer near me, and I've never owned one of these, and don't know anybody that does, so all I'm giving you is what he told me. He said if anybody tried to give me one of the 6.0, run. He says they are bad about blowing head gaskets and when they blow, it wipes out the aluminum head, and that it is about $11,000 repair bill. He said his shop is constantly backlogged with these repairs. Once the warranty runs out, that would be a major hit. He said the new 6.4 is a good engine and he rarely gets one in with problems. This guy seems to be a straight shooter and I see him at ropings some, but I am only giving you his story. You might want to check it out.
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retento
Reg. Aug 2004
Posted 2008-04-02 1:49 PM (#80977 - in reply to #80966)
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  I'm a little shy of the 6.0 also. A friend of mine bought a 2004 used F250 out of Texas with 120,000 miles on it. First trip up Black Mountain N.C., it started spewing anti-freeze and oil out of the radiator overflow..... That's right.. Anti-freeze and oil.  It was in the process of spitting out a head gasket, the oil cooler had let go and was filling the cooling system with oil and there's something to do with the EGR cooler down in the intake manifold that had cracked and also had to be replaced at the same time... So much for the good deal he found in Texas!!

  Everyone else around here have been pleased with their 6.0's. I think the early 2003's were the engines with the injector problems. My man that feeds for me when we're out of town has a 2005 F250 6.0 automatic with 160,000 mile on it and it's never had a wrench on it.

 I've never seen a truck bed like the one on the 2005 truck. I think that's what I like about it so much. Ya got plenty of storage area!! It looks like maybe there's a third fuel tank in the bed under the front compartment. It hard to tell from the picture.

 Still alot of money for a 4 year old truck. I guess "I NEED", to go take a look at it, it's only about 55 miles away.

 

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genebob
Reg. Nov 2007
Posted 2008-04-02 2:06 PM (#80979 - in reply to #80966)
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Is that a fiberglass box? Looks like the doors may be steel. Definitely a very unique box. But why was it trade or returned with so few miles on it? Is it maybe a new odometer?
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Snickers
Reg. Nov 2004
Posted 2008-04-02 3:10 PM (#80987 - in reply to #80966)
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Box looks very much like one made by Body Werks in Elkhart In. If so then it is aluminum. Have a friend that has one similar to that and they VERY well made. Not sure but think his was about $5,000 but he has another storage cpt in front of the wheels.
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Tx. Vaquero
Reg. Jun 2006
Posted 2008-04-02 3:46 PM (#80990 - in reply to #80966)
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I'll bet a cup of coffee that the bed on that 450 cost at least $15,000 and the air ride adds another $4,000. The Monroe hauler bed was $16,000 3 yrs. ago and it is not a nice as the one on the 450.
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retento
Reg. Aug 2004
Posted 2008-04-02 4:47 PM (#80995 - in reply to #80966)
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Snickers was right on the money!! It's a Utility Bodywerks, Elite bed.  Here's some specs.

http://www.utilitybodywerks.com/Elite.htm

http://www.utilitybodywerks.com/FordOptions.htm

 

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chadsalt
Reg. Nov 2004
Posted 2008-04-02 5:25 PM (#80997 - in reply to #80966)
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Dont know how I feel about the 6.0l............
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gard
Reg. Aug 2007
Posted 2008-04-02 6:59 PM (#81003 - in reply to #80966)
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Lots of bad press about the 6.0, some with no problems, some with many. The new 6.4 is very complex and unproven. I'm glad I have the old 7.3 with lots of power and no problems.

Gard

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hounddog
Reg. Dec 2005
Posted 2008-04-02 7:01 PM (#81004 - in reply to #80966)
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Both trucks are 6.0s.Nuff said.
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Tx. Vaquero
Reg. Jun 2006
Posted 2008-04-02 7:14 PM (#81005 - in reply to #80966)
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I don't know what the warranty on this truck would be, but if it was 5 yrs./ 100,000 miles, I would take a chance on it. I think you would be hard pressed to find a 2005 any cleaner than this one appears to be and the price sure doesn't seem bad, considering the options.
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2Lcustomtrucks
Reg. Apr 2008
Posted 2008-04-02 8:15 PM (#81006 - in reply to #80966)
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You do not know me from adam.  You can here ALOT of stuff out here on the web, some good, some not, and some just plain bs.  I have lurked and read this forum for a good while.  I sell alot of trucks on this website.  I registered tonight to be able to add my two cents worth.  I have been customizing trucks for close to twenty years.  You can verify my resume at www.2Lcustomtrucks.com.  I am not adding to this thread to try to sell you ANYTHING.  I post on a couple of different RV sites and my opinions are popular (I think).  I build alot of trucks for high-end horse applications and am a contracted supplier for International and (made public as of April 1st, 2008) Freightliner.  My work has won awards at SEMA, Mid-America Truck Show, and the Great American Trucking Show.  With that said, if we can get somebody to loan us 10 bucks we can go to Whataburger to eat. 

DO NOT BUY A TRUCK WITH A 6.0L MOTOR.  The folks on this thread are telling you the honest truth.  You can not lower cubic displacement, raise RPMs and expect a motor to live.  Ford would have never quit this motor but were forced to change based on EPA requirements.  We will NOT accept a 6.0 Ford OF ANY KIND on trade without having it presold.  It has been rumored that Ford has experienced an 18% rate of buy-backs.  The truck in question is probably a factory buy-back.  You can never find out because it does not have to be disclosed to a retail purchaser.  You would have to get to the original owner and "most of the time" they are bound by the agreement they sign.  I do not care if the truck is 20,000.00.  They do not work.

Now, everyone will crawl out of the woodwork and flame me for my comments.  All of the Ford guys will come running to the rescue.  This mentality is simple because they have money sunk in one.  Period.  There are very clean low mileage, verifiable 450s out there with 7.3 motors that would be a perfect truck.  My personal email is wlong@wccs.net  ....I am listing my email ot prove that I am not hiding from ANY comments, good or bad....

Wayland Long, president

2L Custom Trucks...... Poolville, Texas..817 594 4333

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Marla
Reg. Mar 2008
Posted 2008-04-02 8:24 PM (#81007 - in reply to #80966)
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The bed on ths truck is a lifesaver for short people like me.  I bought one because I was sick and tired of having to climb into the bed of my truck to retrieve everything.  With this bed I can reach what I want, I have plenty of storage, plenty of gas for those long trips, and can haul my four-wheeler without having to hook up a trailer.  What a god-send!

 

Marla

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Painted Horse
Reg. May 2005
Posted 2008-04-02 9:56 PM (#81010 - in reply to #80966)
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The Ford 6.0 has had it's share of problems. Especially the 2003 and 2004 trucks. I've had two 6.0L  A early 2003, The 1st month they were built and a 2006.  I put almost a 100,000 miles on the 2003 and I'm at 50,000 on the 2006.

The tranny went out on the 2003 within  30 days of when I bought it. They replaced it and I never had any more tranny problems. The 2003 had some small engine problems, the dealer replaced the ICP, the VGT reflashed the engine several time. Some of the reflashes caused more problems than they solved. Once I got the final reflash done, the truck ran fine. I never had any problems with the injectors or turbo.

My 2006 had two glow plug go out at 40,000. Other than that it's only seen the dealer for oil and tranny fluid changes.

My two 6.0L trucks have been good trucks. Just my 2 cents worth.

I think if people are Hot Roddin  the trucks, adding chips etc, they probably had more problems than others.  A kid who works for me and my neighbor both have Duramaxs. The neighbor took his in last year for injector problems, Sold it and bought a Dodge, swearing he'd never own another Duramax. The kid who works for me is using my Ford truck to tow his Chevy in tomorrow morning for injector problems. Both of these guys had chips and like to put their foot in them. Does that make the Duramax a bad engine, or just that people who screw with the  engines cause their own problems.

All makes have some flaws. Nobody has built the perfect truck yet. Go look, test drive, check the Oasis to see what problem if any are on record and take your chances. If you are still unsure, Buy a Freightliner Sport Truck.

 

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Tx. Vaquero
Reg. Jun 2006
Posted 2008-04-03 8:08 AM (#81030 - in reply to #81006)
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I'm glad to see Wayland posting on here. He is the real deal and will give it to you straight, whether you like it or not. I have long admired his Intl. trucks and now that he is handling Freightliner, he will make it tough on SportChassis. His conversions are top notch. No, I don't work for him. No, I don't own one of his trucks. I do haul with guys that have his trucks.
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hounddog
Reg. Dec 2005
Posted 2008-04-03 10:38 AM (#81042 - in reply to #80966)
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He's 100% correct.Ambulance and fire and rescue fleet managers have posted many times on the Ford sites about their issues and lawsuits pending on ALL years with the 6.0. Even the Ford stores don't want them on trade.
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wyndancer
Reg. Apr 2007
Posted 2008-04-03 11:53 AM (#81044 - in reply to #80966)
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A good friend of mine in WA had Ford buyback her 2006 F550. She then got a 2007 F550.She hated that thing with a passion, fuel economy and power were alright, but she didn't feel the thing would stop itself, much less with the trailer on. I listed here sale, at the time less than 10k miles. Heck it even smelled new inside yet. No interest at $45k...no interest at $42k. She ended up trading for a 2007 Dodge....and getting beat up to boot. She replaced trailer puller with a FL60.I've got numerous friends with the 6.0l Ford.....never again. And neither them nor I will be the guinea pig on the 6.4l motor either.

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Spooler
Reg. Aug 2006
Posted 2008-04-03 2:03 PM (#81057 - in reply to #80966)
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Good friend of mines 05' F350 has been on the rollback 3 times with only 46,000 miles on it.  The latest thing is the alternator just dumped. His wife hates the truck and he is scared to tow with it too far away. Stuck egr valve, Blown headgasket= new longblock, EGR cooler and turbo, bad alternator. Make your own decision but you were cautioned on the 6.0. If i wouldn't have been caravaning with him when the motor let loose he would of been in big trouble. Hence, he kisses my truck everytime he see's it. LOL :)

 

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perfect11s
Reg. Sep 2005
Posted 2008-04-03 4:39 PM (#81069 - in reply to #80966)
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Had a 99 7.3 powerstroke was a awesome truck sold it to my trainer he hauls horses all over europe with it , ive got a ranger diesel now and very pleased with it would still like a full size truck  but put off by all the bad press on the 6.0 are they realy that bad Oh and why havent Caterpillar come up with a suitable engine for one of the big three they would sell and sell surely  

 

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rattler
Reg. Feb 2004
Posted 2008-04-03 5:14 PM (#81075 - in reply to #80966)
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To give you an example of reliablility between the 6.0 and 7.3L, I have 1997 with a 7.3L engine and got my first recall notice of any kind this week for a $15 part. In 11 years, my truck has never been to a Ford dealership for anything....stay away from the 6.0L...no matter how good a deal. A good deal doesn't help soothe the nerves when you have animals stranded on the side of the road in the middle of the night or on a 100 degree day.

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Reg. Apr 2007
Posted 2008-04-03 8:12 PM (#81093 - in reply to #81069)
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Originally written by perfect11s on 2008-04-03 4:39 PM

Had a 99 7.3 powerstroke was a awesome truck sold it to my trainer he hauls horses all over europe with it , ive got a ranger diesel now and very pleased with it would still like a full size truck but put off by all the bad press on the 6.0 are they realy that bad Oh and why havent Caterpillar come up with a suitable engine for one of the big three they would sell and sell surely

The injector technology on the Powerstroke is CAT's.....for sure the 7.3l stuff.
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Rockin'TK
Reg. May 2007
Posted 2008-04-03 10:00 PM (#81101 - in reply to #80966)
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2Lcustom,

 could not have said it any better!  The 6.0 is pure JUNK!  Major head casket problems, turbo trouble, but everything else is fine.....If you buy one make sure you pay the high bucks for the extended warranty and before you sign, READ EVERY WORD on the warranty papers!

Just buy a Dodge and be DONE with it!

 

2007 DODGE QUAD CAB cab-n-chassis 12-5k gvw with a CM hauler bed, firestone bags, 6.7 Cummins, 6 speed auto, exhaust brake!  Note much on fuel mileage, but pull my 07 Trails West 4 horse LQ (that is almost 17-k lbs. loaded) with NO PROBLEMS AT ALL!

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2Lcustomtrucks
Reg. Apr 2008
Posted 2008-04-03 10:53 PM (#81103 - in reply to #80966)
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The 7.3L Diesel was produced by Navistar for Ford.  The engine was also used in some of the baby International delivery trucks.  The motor that was produced for Ford was warranted by International, for Ford, for 100k miles.  Engine warranty on the 7.3 never cost ford a dime. 

Along comes the EPA and Ford is forced to swap.  They extended the time period for 1.5 years and ford just kept paying the fine, before the EPA forced them to switch.  Ford took over the assembly of that motor.  If you have a 7.3 it was produced in Indy or Tuscaloosa AL.  International builds the 6.0 for Ford also, but all they supply are the block, crank, and rods.  Heads, turbo, injection, etc is pure Ford subcontract and it is rumored the engine is produced in Pakistan and South America.  International does NOT warrant the 6.0 for ford, like they did the 7.3..The 7.3 was the second most successful powerplant in US history behind the small block Chevy.  International uses the 6.0 in the baby delivery trucks, produced in Indy and Tuscaloosa and they have less than 1% warranty claim.  The engine is called the VT 365.

A 7.3 does not have CAT injectors.  It has Bosch injectors, same as CAT.  CAT does not make injectors.  They may have some private labeled, but they do not produce an injector for a Navistar motor.

The answer is there is no answer.  With the newly established position that the DOT is taking across this country concerning weights, ALOT of things are going to change.  With the insurance companies pushing the states to let them out from under their obligations, in the event a truck has been loaded to exceed GVWR ALOT of things are going to change.  I have driven the new 2011 emission prototypes and it is a joke. 

Ratings are given on engines in laboratory settings.  Same as capacities.  The new low sulphur diesel does not even let a truck burn like a diesel is designed to.  It is not really even diesel anymore.  Diesel trucks today are nothing more than SUVs with dual wheels.  And anybody who has anything newer than a 2003 FOrd or a 2003 Dodge does not have one.  The most proven diesel on the market today is the GM/Isuzu.  Least amount of failure, most power, and that is not an opinion, that is an industry fact.  Unfortunately the public can not look internally at the manufacturers.  But what the American public doesn't know, is what makes them the American public.  And it is proven everyday by comments on the internet.     

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PaulChristenson
Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2008-04-04 12:12 AM (#81111 - in reply to #80966)
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2Lcustomtrucks...wow 2 posts and no flames......see when you give the straight skinny...everyone will back you...

Our Fire Department sent two back to FORD...and are now looking at Internationals...




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