Posted 2008-01-08 9:25 AM (#73986) Subject: pros/cons of one sink in LQs
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In planning out an 11' LQ, I am thinking of eliminating one sink and using that area for more storage/cabinet area. I am wondering whether to put sink in kitchen area or bathroom. I don't plan on cooking much, and if I do, i would use paper plates. But I would also like plenty of cabinets in the bathroom so we can keep our clothes in the bathroom and change there.
For resale purposes, where would be the best place to put one sink? (some of my friends are think that using a kitchen sink to brush teeth is gross...)
Posted 2008-01-08 10:21 AM (#73992 - in reply to #73986) Subject: RE: pros/cons of one sink in LQs
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I would place my vote for a single sink in the kitchen area. I don't think I would buy a trailer without it. Numerous bathroom areas are ultimately used for storage anyway, with many shower stalls containing everything except water. The sink should be located in the area used the most. Even if no cooking is involved, you still want to wash before eating, and a spill in the fridge or on the counter needs to be cleaned up.
When several people are living in a confined area, many "yuck" factors are involved on a daily basis. Privacy is minimal, eating and hygiene are basic, and when the sink is busy, many teeth are brushed outside the door with a glass of water. Ask your friends who are easily grossed out, if they have ever done much camping. Just to have running water is a treat.
My weekender trailer has no sink in the bathroom, and for day trips or a couple of overnights, the kitchen sink is adequate. But when we have a larger group or plan on a lengthy stay, our longer LQ with a bathroom sink is a more comfortable solution. The more people that are living in your LQ space, the more your utilities will be important.
Go to a large trailer sales and really look at the various LQ layouts and floor plans. I find it difficult to visualize an interior based on a printed floor plan. By looking at an actual installation, and feeling how I fit in and use that space, I can better determine what is most useful and pleasing. This may assist you in your design and decision making.
Posted 2008-01-08 10:26 AM (#73994 - in reply to #73986) Subject: RE: pros/cons of one sink in LQs
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The thought of washing my hands after using the bathroom in the same sink where I would be preparing foods and washing my dishes.....really GROSSES ME OUT!
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No way would I ever buy a LQ trailer with only one sink.
Posted 2008-01-08 11:15 AM (#73999 - in reply to #73986) Subject: RE: pros/cons of one sink in LQs
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Icy - you're just too durn fussy girl! (grin) I camped in a tent, then BP DR for many years - having one sink is a luxury.
Besides who hasn't been on a long ride and had to drop your pants and pee in the woods.... If you haven't then you haven't done the length and kind of riding many of us on here have... and we all know when you gotta go....
Posted 2008-01-08 11:39 AM (#74003 - in reply to #73994) Subject: RE: pros/cons of one sink in LQs
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So,you mean,you don't keep any antibacterial soap at your kitchen sink to wash your hands with after preparing any raw foods such as chicken??
If not,you're a first to me.And if you consider what consists of what is going into your kitchen sink and down your drain,ect.,your clean hand soap/water/rinsing is about the LEAST of nastiness.
Posted 2008-01-08 12:25 PM (#74015 - in reply to #73999) Subject: RE: pros/cons of one sink in LQs
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>>ou're just too durn fussy girl! (grin) That may be true, but I never get the "stomach flu". Sorry, there's a difference between having dirty hands and hand with fecal matter on them. And I don't want fecal matter in the sink where I am preparing meals or washing the dishes.>>camped in a tent, then BP DR for many years - having one sink is a luxury. I went from a tent, to a truck shell, to a realy old slide-in camper, to a older slide-in camper ...to my RV. After the potty, I washed my hands at the camp bathroom, or water hydrant and not in the plastic tub I used for my dishes.>>Besides who hasn't been on a long ride and had to drop your pants and pee in the woodsBelieve me....I have dropped my riding breeches many times right on the trail to pee. Handi-wipes and hand sanitizer are always in my saddlebags.>>If you haven't then you haven't done the length and kind of riding many of us on here have... and we all know when you gotta goactually I spend tons of hours and miles it the saddle. huginn and i are high point riders for the Ice Association, three years in a row. when i gotto to go....i go. Peace Out!
Posted 2008-01-08 12:56 PM (#74017 - in reply to #74003) Subject: RE: pros/cons of one sink in LQs
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Originally written by crowleysridgegirl on 2008-01-08 11:39 AM
So,you mean,you don't keep any antibacterial soap at your kitchen sink to wash your hands with after preparing any raw foods such as chicken?
Hi,
Of course I wash my hands after handling raw meat. I tend to wash my hands several times while preparing food. I prefer to be picky, than risk getting an sick from eating fecal (or e. coli) matter contaminated foods. If after going to the bathroom, you were washing your hands at the kitchen sink, how can you possible keep that sink free from fecal matter? Clean enough to prepare meals there? IMHO...you can't.
Posted 2008-01-08 1:20 PM (#74018 - in reply to #74017) Subject: RE: pros/cons of one sink in LQs
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How do you prepare meals in a sink? I know washing veggies and stuff, but I always use a strainer so the extra water runs off and everything else goes on the counter. I guess if your hand washing dishes in it, but then you can just use a bit of bleach to clean it out. Your more likely to get fecal matter off ketchup packets and tables/chairs at a resturants.
My kids tend to waste the hand soap so keep them from playing with it we keep it at the kitchen sink. They can rinse their hands in the bathroom, but they have to wash them in the kitchen. If we try to leave the hand soap in the bathroom it tends to become "bubble bath".
Posted 2008-01-08 1:22 PM (#74019 - in reply to #74017) Subject: RE: pros/cons of one sink in LQs
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Well,not trying to sound ugly here,but,I don't have "fecal matter" on my hands after going to the b'room,and I'm sure you don't either.
The amount of bacteria from our hands after going to the bathroom is scads minimal to what we encounter when preparing raw chicken in the sink,which are one and the same bacteria: E.coli.Antibacterial soap and plain soap with water for that matter effectively destroy these bacteria.
I should know because I'm a nurse.And,you'd make a good surgical nurse yourself.PS Terri,message meant for Ice Pony.
Posted 2008-01-08 1:24 PM (#74020 - in reply to #73986) Subject: RE: pros/cons of one sink in LQs
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My goodness, you are fussy. That's what soap and water are for. Do you think the stuff you buy in the stores are clean? Your bathroom sink is probably cleaner than your kitchen sink. As a health care worker of 35 years, we would be please if people simply washed their hands, even in a bucket of water would be nice. Also, you know those little hand wipes or liquid sanitizers? They would work great in the bathroom without a sink. By the way, I just got a new LQ trailer, made sure it had a sink in the kitchen.
Posted 2008-01-08 1:25 PM (#74021 - in reply to #73986) Subject: RE: pros/cons of one sink in LQs
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And,Amy,to answer YOUR original question,I'd lots rather have a kitchen sink alone than one in the bathroom alone.I've had LQ with a sink only in the kitchen,and one in the kitchen and bathroom both.I do more cooking and cleanup while camping than I do teeth brushing/HA HA! (I do brush my teeth while camping,however.)LOL!
Posted 2008-01-08 1:26 PM (#74022 - in reply to #74008) Subject: RE: pros/cons of one sink in LQs
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Originally written by A Friend In PA on 2008-01-08 11:55 AM
I vote for the kitchen sink. You can always place a container of antibacterial hand wipes in the bathroom area for quick hand cleaning.
BTW...antibacterial wipes and hand sanitizes do not effectively clean hands when they are exposed to fecal matter and blood. Nor, is hand sanitizer is effective for preparing food. Due to the fact that hands are frequently wet during the food preparation. Coming into contact with bodily fluids requires a rigorous hand washing with good old soap and water. Antibacterial hand wipes and hand sanitizers are fine for when out on the trail with no access to water & soap. But geez...please do wash your hands after using the bathroom and for sure before fixin' meals.
Posted 2008-01-08 1:35 PM (#74023 - in reply to #74018) Subject: RE: pros/cons of one sink in LQs
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Originally written by Terri on 2008-01-08 1:20 PM
How do you prepare meals in a sink? I prepare meals on the counter near my kitchen sink and wash my dishes in my kitchen sink. I would never rinse a dirty diaper in a kicthen sink, so why would I wash my hands after the bathroom in the my kitchen sink?Sorry....that is just plain gross.
Posted 2008-01-08 1:50 PM (#74026 - in reply to #73986) Subject: RE: pros/cons of one sink in LQs
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Well I don't have a living quarters, so I don't got a sink, just a clean stainless steel dish pan, but I think I could get by with just one sink in the kitchen area if I had a LQ. If I had a large LQ then two sinks would be nice! Ya'll talk about camping with horses and Hygiene hand washing in the "food prep" sink etc....Then think about washing your hands the next time you grab a shopping cart at the grocery store, chicken juice, meat and fish juices, childrens nose juices and Lord knows what else is on those handles!!! You'll never encounter anything near that nasty out in the woods or on the trail.........And you are using your same hands to pick up your fresh fruit and veggies...Ya'll think about it, ever stole one of those white seedless grape and popped it into your mouth with "those hands" that's been pushing the shopping cart around the store...I thought you had, and you ain't dead yet!!!
Posted 2008-01-08 2:03 PM (#74029 - in reply to #74023) Subject: RE: pros/cons of one sink in LQs
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I would never rinse a dirty diaper in a kicthen sink, so why would I wash my hands after the bathroom in the my kitchen sink?Sorry....that is just plain gross.
Because a diaper actually HAS poop on it and your hand doesn't if you use toilet paper.
Posted 2008-01-08 2:09 PM (#74030 - in reply to #74026) Subject: RE: pros/cons of one sink in LQs
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Retento. That is exactly the point I was trying to make with the resturant thing. How many times have you seen someone leave the bathroom with out washing their hands. How many other people that DID wash their hands touch something that those people touched? I always use a papertowel to open the bathroom door if it opens in towards the bathroom. I never buy "fresh" produce at the grocery store. I've seen way to many people run their hands over the tomatoes and peppers and kids with runny noses playing in the bins of beans or nuts.
Posted 2008-01-08 2:32 PM (#74032 - in reply to #74026) Subject: RE: pros/cons of one sink in LQs
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Rentento,that's a good valid point.When growing up,no telling how many times I would run inside and grab a drink or something then run back outside and groom and play around with my horse.I didn't catch anything there.
But in public places,and especially around hospitals,we're a heck of a lot more likely to pick up something nasty from doorhandles,surfaces,food in supermarkets,buffet meals,ect.I caught one of the worst staph infections I'd ever had ( I think it was staph,may not have been,but,it was REALLY BAD) from a hot bar buffet that had been out a little while during a hot summer spell.WHen I was undergoing chemo,I did not eat off of the buffet,but had a meal prepared.I may have been paranoid,yes,but,it was just an extra precaution that I felt necessary.
Hand wipes and sanitizers are not as effective as handwashing,this has been proven in hospitals,but they are better than nothing.The problem is when people use NEITHER.
Posted 2008-01-08 2:38 PM (#74033 - in reply to #74015) Subject: RE: pros/cons of one sink in LQs
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Originally written by IcePonyGoddess on 2008-01-08 12:25 PM actually I spend tons of hours and miles it the saddle. huginn and i are high point riders for the Ice Association, three years in a row. when i gotto to go....i go. Peace Out!
Well,have fun doing it,for Pete's sake,and don't worry so much until you REALLY come down with something,then,you can worry.Worry if you'll survive to ride again.That's something worth worrying about.
Posted 2008-01-08 3:07 PM (#74038 - in reply to #73986) Subject: RE: pros/cons of one sink in LQs
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Hehe...
I feel more comfortable eating a raw dog sammich with my bare hands in the blazing sun while spreading a load of manure than I do using the restroom at a walmart.
But, given one choice, a kitchen sink will be better utilized than a bathroom sink.
Posted 2008-01-08 6:06 PM (#74043 - in reply to #73986) Subject: RE: pros/cons of one sink in LQs
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How much dirt do we actually eat over the course of a day?
EPA suggests that we eat 100 to 200 milligrams per day. Probably adults consume less-on the order of 50 to 100 milligrams per day. Children, with their hand-to-mouth and toy-to-mouth behavior probably eat more than adults.
Posted 2008-01-08 6:51 PM (#74045 - in reply to #73986) Subject: RE: pros/cons of one sink in LQs
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My kitchen sink is full of papers and nail polish and junk. I only cook rarely and then only outside. I have a dishpan for washing dishes. I use the bathroom sink exclusively.