Posted 2007-05-15 1:45 PM (#60803) Subject: Beware of the trailer scammers - Reprinted by popular demand
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The scammers really aren't hard to figure out - once you are aware of how they work. This email exchange I had with a scammer should help you spot them.
Enjoy yourself, (read from the bottom of the following thread) as I email "Roy" and ask him about his trailer for sale.
My final reply. Roy did not answer these last comments I made.
Hi Roy, (or whatever your name is)
I thought your story sounded fishy too. But it wasn't a waste of time. I wanted to be able to show everyone on Horse Trailer World (and the internet) the way you decieve and steal from people by using fake ads and lies. I also took careful note of the telephone numbers you used, how you got them, and I reported it all to the FBI including your various names, IP Computer addresses and the servers you are emailing from.
I've already tracked people who you have stolen credit cards from and even a couple from Nebraska who sent you $1,000 and never heard from you again.
I don't like your requests either, Roy, and I liked them even less when I heard your voice on the phone speaking in a middle eastern accent and it was clear you knew nothing about horses, trailers or honesty.
Your family would not be proud of you.
From: Roy Joseph Kesting [mailto:roykestor@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 1:12 PM To: Dave Mattern Subject: RE: 2004 Sooner+Sunlite () #115834 I saw listed on HorseTrailerWorld.com
It seems to me like you are wasting my time and you dont want to buy any trailer.... this whole story seems very fishy to me. i really dont like your requests... what i ask you to send me a picture with you sister holding the money you have to give me for the trailer.
I wanted to use Western Union but my sister lives near a Moneygram office, just three blocks from the pawn shop where she sold her wedding china. Now the missing plates on the hutch make a perfect place for her to hang your picture. She told me that if she were trading her wedding china for cash to buy the trailer from you, the least we could do is give her your picture to hang where the china used to be displayed.
I will wait for your picture. I love my sister and this seems minor compared to the sacrifice she made for me. She won't send money without a picture of you.
From: Roy Joseph Kesting [mailto:roykestor@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 12:42 PM To: Dave Mattern Subject: RE: 2004 Sooner+Sunlite () #115834 I saw listed on HorseTrailerWorld.com
I`m not at home now and i cant take the picture. also, you said you will send it thru western union not moneygram... which way you will do it? i need the deposit today...
My sister pawned her china and is going to the Moneygram office later. I'm sure glad for the tail hooks and the set of trailer skis for this winter. I'm sure glad I found someone I can trust. This is just too good of a deal to pass up. My sister said if she is loaning me the downpayment the least we can do is give her a picture of the trailer with the nice man standing in front of it before she sends you the money.
Can you send me a picture of the trailer with you standing in fron of it? We really appreciate your eagerness to arrange this great buy and your picture would mean alot to us. I told her to wait on the Moneygram and I would get a picture for her first.
Thanks!
From: Roy Joseph Kesting [mailto:roykestor@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 11:56 AM To: Dave Mattern Subject: RE: 2004 Sooner+Sunlite () #115834 I saw listed on HorseTrailerWorld.com
As you said, we have talk on the phone and thru email. You will send the money to my name and address and there will no problems. Once i have the deposit i will keep the trailer for you and meet you at the end of the month. Let me know once you send it.
Excellent. This sounds like some kinda trailer. There are so many scams out there, I worry about sending my money to some scam artist I've never talked to. But you and I have talked by phone so I feel ok. My kids and I are poor, my wife passed last March, and this trailer will likely be home for us till we can afford to build another house to replace the one that burned down over Christmas. My sister said she would sell her wedding china and send the moneygram to you for deposit.
Are you sure this is legitimate? I can't stand the thought of another heart break. The trailer looks really nice.
From: Roy Joseph Kesting [mailto:roykestor@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 11:19 AM To: Dave Mattern Subject: RE: 2004 Sooner+Sunlite () #115834 I saw listed on HorseTrailerWorld.com
Thanks. I'm from North Dakota and the snowy roads make for bumpy rides in the winter. It's not unusual to remove the tires and use the new "trailer skis" several times a day. It's unusual to find a trailer this far south with the optional "ski ride". Do you have both left and right skis sets for the Sooner/Sunlite?
From: Roy Joseph Kesting [mailto:roykestor@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 10:09 AM To: Dave Mattern Subject: RE: 2004 Sooner+Sunlite () #115834 I saw listed on HorseTrailerWorld.com
The trailer has tail hooks to keep the horses steady and manure bags are included..
Ok. And just to make sure. This trailer has tail hooks right? To keep the horses steady during transport? And manure bags so I don't have to clean the floor?
Thanks. Let me know about these things. They are important to me.
From: Roy Joseph Kesting [mailto:roykestor@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 9:37 AM To: Dave Mattern Subject: RE: 2004 Sooner+Sunlite () #115834 I saw listed on HorseTrailerWorld.com
i`m ok with that....we will meet on 30th May. you will have to send me the deposit today...let me know
I can meet you in Jackson FL on May 30. I drive 2000 miles and you only have to drive 200 miles.
From: Roy Joseph Kesting [mailto:roykestor@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 5:03 AM To: Dave Mattern Subject: RE: 2004 Sooner+Sunlite () #115834 I saw listed on HorseTrailerWorld.com
on the phone we talk that you have to send me a deposit before i delive the trailer to you
From: Roy Joseph Kesting [mailto:roykestor@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 8:46 PM To: Dave Mattern Subject: RE: 2004 Sooner+Sunlite () #115834 I saw listed on HorseTrailerWorld.com
From: Roy Joseph Kesting [mailto:roykestor@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 3:41 PM To: Dave Mattern Subject: RE: 2004 Sooner+Sunlite () #115834 I saw listed on HorseTrailerWorld.com
Western Union is also better... if you know western union send the deposit thru western union...ok?
From: Roy Joseph Kesting [mailto:roykestor@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 2:32 PM To: Dave Mattern Subject: RE: 2004 Sooner+Sunlite () #115834 I saw listed on HorseTrailerWorld.com
This is the address where i`m staying in Miami... Do you know how moneygram works?
From: Roy Joseph Kesting [mailto:roykestor@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 10:18 AM To: Dave Mattern Subject: RE: 2004 Sooner+Sunlite () #115834 I saw listed on HorseTrailerWorld.com
My name is Roy Kesting and my address is: 2967 BISCAYNE BLVD MIAMI, FL 33137 This is all you need at moneygram. Dont have the serial number with me now but i will send it to you later
From: Roy Joseph Kesting [mailto:roykestor@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 9:28 AM To: Dave Mattern Subject: Re: 2004 Sooner+Sunlite () #115834 I saw listed on HorseTrailerWorld.com
where do you live and how much can you pay for the trailer?
Posted 2007-05-16 11:58 AM (#60833 - in reply to #60803) Subject: RE: Beware of the trailer scammers
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Great job Dave,Roy was so worried about getting his deposit wired,That is usually a good sign of danger.I had them tell me they wanted my trailer and if I was selling it for $8,000.00 they wanted to send a cashiers check for $11,000.00 and I was to wire the other $3,000.00 to their shipper.Then the fun starts.I tell them I can ship to them cheaper and they always have a fast comeback.It's the same old routine.I was suprised you even had a change to talk to them on the phone,usually never do
Posted 2007-05-16 12:09 PM (#60834 - in reply to #60833) Subject: RE: Beware of the trailer scammers
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Originally written by bowhunter70 on 2007-05-16 11:58 AM
Great job Dave,Roy was so worried about getting his deposit wired,That is usually a good sign of danger.I had them tell me they wanted my trailer and if I was selling it for $8,000.00 they wanted to send a cashiers check for $11,000.00 and I was to wire the other $3,000.00 to their shipper.Then the fun starts.I tell them I can ship to them cheaper and they always have a fast comeback.It's the same old routine.I was suprised you even had a change to talk to them on the phone,usually never do
Good point. The phone contact was NEVER an option in the past scams. They are refining their scams. They rent untraceable phone numbers by the dozens and take your message. Then they call you back on an unlisted or bogus phone.
Posted 2007-05-16 12:30 PM (#60836 - in reply to #60833) Subject: RE: Beware of the trailer scammers
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Originally written by bowhunter70 on 2007-05-16 11:58 AM
Great job Dave,Roy was so worried about getting his deposit wired,That is usually a good sign of danger.I had them tell me they wanted my trailer and if I was selling it for $8,000.00 they wanted to send a cashiers check for $11,000.00 and I was to wire the other $3,000.00 to their shipper.Then the fun starts.I tell them I can ship to them cheaper and they always have a fast comeback.It's the same old routine.I was suprised you even had a change to talk to them on the phone,usually never do
I do not understand this scam. If the cashier's check is good, what is the problem? What am I not understanding, here?
Posted 2007-05-16 1:25 PM (#60844 - in reply to #60841) Subject: RE: Beware of the trailer scammers
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Cashiers Checks used to be good, because your bank had to create them after verfiying you had enough money to cover the check. Now, with computers in our homes and neat printers, anyone can "create" a cashier's check. Even the banks don't know they are bad, till they deposit them and nothing happens.
Posted 2007-05-16 2:10 PM (#60846 - in reply to #60810) Subject: RE: Beware of the trailer scammers
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Originally written by Terri on 2007-05-15 6:46 PM
I love it!!
I think you may have come up with a good idea though, manure bags. I wonder if someone could really figure out how to make something like that.
Well, we in the draft horse community already have them...for parades...the marching bands and gymnasts used to hate to be behind hitches, before we started using them...
Posted 2007-05-16 2:29 PM (#60848 - in reply to #60844) Subject: RE: Beware of the trailer scammers
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Originally written by DaveM on 2007-05-16 1:25 PM
Cashiers Checks used to be good, because your bank had to create them after verfiying you had enough money to cover the check. Now, with computers in our homes and neat printers, anyone can "create" a cashier's check. Even the banks don't know they are bad, till they deposit them and nothing happens.
What makes this particular type of scam even MORE dangerous (to us good guys, anyhow) is that under the law, YOU are responsible for the funds the bank pays out of that supposed deposit - when the "cashiers check" bounces, guess what! YOU get to cover the money. There's no recourse, and a lot of good people have gotten burned on this type of thing.I actually got TWO bogus cashiers checks when I put my car up for sale - both from Great Britain, both supposedly drawn on US banks - one in North Dakota :) One for only $5500 over the asking price of the car, one for $7800 over - and of course the knotheads wanted me to return good hard American dollars for that "overage", and by unretrievable, untraceable Western Union. Yeah, RIGHT!!Bottom line - if it sounds too good to be true, it very likely is! Caveat Emptor.Kate
Posted 2007-05-16 2:53 PM (#60852 - in reply to #60803) Subject: RE: Beware of the trailer scammers
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On the cashier's check deal, just tell them you will have to wait until the check clears. That would work, right?
Basically, when I do a deal, it is done the old fashioned way: In person with MONEY. I guess that is why I am unfamiliar with these scam ideas. Anybody unwilling to do business that way doesn't need my money very bad.
Another advantage to the "in person" deal is that I can inspect the condition of the tail hooks, manure bags, and skis. If the skis don't have the friction brake, I don't want the trailer. The stopping distance of the snowmobile I use to pull the trailer is increased too much.
Posted 2007-05-16 7:12 PM (#60863 - in reply to #60803) Subject: RE: Beware of the trailer scammers
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Dave,
When did you realize that you were talking to a scammer? Was it when he responded to the tail hooks, manure bags, or the trailer skis for the Sooner/Sunlilte. You are the mastermind behind this great website, but don't you know that the only trailer that offers tail hooks, manure bags, and trailer skis is the Blue Moon trailer, and they come standard not optional. This year besides the optional convertible top over the horse area, they are offering a system like the Nascar trailers, where there is a lift for the horses to go to the second floor, and with the basement they offered last year, what will they think of next (a hot tub for the horses to relieve muscle aches)
For everyone that doesn't remember what an old Blue Moon trailer looks like go to post #38737, remember that these photos are of a trailer that is two years old, the new ones are more spacious.
Posted 2007-05-16 8:15 PM (#60867 - in reply to #60863) Subject: RE: Beware of the trailer scammers
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I knew he was a scammer from his ad. Every scammer ad is way underpriced. That's why people send scammers a deposit and forget common sense. The scammers depend on greed.
Posted 2007-05-17 6:53 AM (#60890 - in reply to #60803) Subject: RE: Beware of the trailer scammers
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That has to be a scam. Ethel Rosenberg was sent to the gas chamber back in the 50's for treason. She and her husband were convicted for giving top secret data on the H-bomb to Russia. That in turn helped Russia to develop their own H-bomb.
Posted 2007-05-17 7:48 AM (#60894 - in reply to #60849) Subject: RE: Beware of the trailer scammers
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Originally written by Terri on 2007-05-16 3:31 PM
Interesting, but what if a mares gotta pee? That's gotta be messy to clean up!!
Well on parade days...we provide unlimited water AFTER the parade...and yes...it can be messy...that's why they invented rubber gloves...and pressure washers!!!
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