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alangary_84118
Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2007-05-07 12:55 PM (#60512)
Subject: clinton anderson


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clinton gets his girl friend buck off my wifes two year old, this last week end in utah,this happens on saturday.i feel he should have worked the horse on sunday,he said he didnt have the time.oh he said that it was the first time for her to ride a horse that was not broke,now im left to break the horse and im ok with that,my ? to every one is. should he have took the time sunday to work the horse?
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huntseat
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2007-05-07 1:33 PM (#60515 - in reply to #60512)
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He seems like an arrogant prick.  Have you ever seen his training show on RFDTV?  The man can't shut-up, he even interrupts experts he's invited on the show.  His methods are not new, they are just like all the other Aussie trainers that have flooded the American marketplace.  My favorite is still John Lyon.

1.  He shouldn't have put her on the horse. 

2.  He should have spent some time fixing the problem on Sunday because now your horse has learned to buck and that gets the person off their back.  Great training their Clinton!

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paintpaddy
Reg. Mar 2005
Posted 2007-05-07 9:26 PM (#60541 - in reply to #60515)
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Huntseat, I'm no good at reading between the lines. Wish you'd just open up and tell us how you feel!

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alangary_84118
Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2007-05-07 9:27 PM (#60542 - in reply to #60512)
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thanks for the feed back,i would say clinton had a bad weekend,im just glad that the girl didnt get hurt,hope i can work this out of my wifes horse,id say clinton wont forget the little dash to fame two year old name sassy
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huntseat
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2007-05-08 8:48 AM (#60553 - in reply to #60541)
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Paintpaddy, around here we call 'em like we see 'em.  Maybe that's why all my students loved me, a little Judge Judy and a little Dr. Phil.
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brushycreekranch
Reg. Jun 2006
Posted 2007-05-08 11:36 AM (#60563 - in reply to #60512)
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Girlfriend? Where was his wife? Maybe he didn't want the girlfriend to risk getting abused, bruised or contused.That might just slow her down.  My guess - it wasn't just the time factored in to that decision, but more than likely the horse might buck him off too! Bad for PR!
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farmbabe
Reg. Nov 2003
Posted 2007-05-08 12:18 PM (#60568 - in reply to #60512)
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First of all, unless one was there, its hard to know exactly what happened and why.I don't know how honest you're being about relating your experiences.  Lots of green horses buck and yet manage to become fine riding horses. I happen to like Clinton Anderson, his show and the methods used. None of them are revolutionary but they work.

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alangary_84118
Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2007-05-08 3:50 PM (#60576 - in reply to #60512)
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i like clinton anderson to,yes his ways do work,he said the girl was his girl friend,he also said it was her frist time to ride an unbroke horse,things went great up tell she got buck off,he did work with the horse for a little bit after,he said the horse had had enough,and i agree,i thought that he should have brought the horse back on sunday and work her and maybe rode her.he said that he was sorry and he didnt have enough time,he gave the wife his videos for starting colts and a haulter and lead rope.and told her the horse was not a bad horse,still feel like he should have did someting on sunday. thats why i ask what every one thought,thanks for all the feed back
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lostinohio
Reg. Feb 2006
Posted 2007-05-08 4:22 PM (#60577 - in reply to #60512)
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I'd have to agree w/huntseat here. I'm assuming this was one of his weekend clinic shows.

1. If a clinic,many other "paying" clients that may wish to see how he would handle a "problem" horse.

2. Would be interested if cause was the horses or the rider at the time,either way he still should have followed up.

3.What ever happened to one of the golden rules,"end training session on a good note". Last thing is to let the horse think he won on a negative issue.

We've delt with Clinton once when he was at Double G(Wahl's) in Sterling,IL. There was a barrel show going on and we were in warm-up arena before show(which was allowed) warming a horse up. He was in there also working a horse and he made no secret he did not like "anyone else" being there. Bad day for him?

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cowpony01
Reg. Mar 2006
Posted 2007-05-08 4:42 PM (#60578 - in reply to #60512)
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I'm sorry,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and he calls himself a trainer. OK Clinton, way to go again!
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alangary_84118
Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2007-05-08 5:30 PM (#60582 - in reply to #60512)
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hi lost ohio clinton said it was the rider
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notfromtexas
Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2007-05-09 6:27 AM (#60599 - in reply to #60512)
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Sigh...why do people think that clinicians are such a great, "easy" way to break/fix a horse?  I know so many people that go to half a dozen clinics a year thinking that it will make them a great rider....well guess what folks  becomming (sp) a great rider involves LOTS of lessons, practice, and so on.  A clinician cannot break a horse in one weekend and it's your own fault if you expect them to and their fault for promising it.  Find a good trainer, work with them and take lessons.  If you can't afford it, then find another hobby.  I work two jobs to support my horse habit and have a wonderful trainer who has helped me bring along a very green five year old.

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alangary_84118
Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2007-05-09 6:50 AM (#60600 - in reply to #60512)
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alangary_84118
Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2007-05-09 6:59 AM (#60601 - in reply to #60512)
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you are right not from texas,i didnt expect to walk away with a broke horse,the wife was hopeing to walk away with one farer along,now ill  go back to ground work and do every thing twice as long. thanks for your feed back
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pomlovertwo
Reg. May 2007
Posted 2007-05-09 6:36 PM (#60630 - in reply to #60512)
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I just have to put my 2 cents in notfromtexas, I am the owner of the two year old. I did not expect to have a complete broke two year old after one weekend I have been riding horses for over 40 years and know better than that. I just happened to like Clintons methods and still do. Between my husband and myself we work 3 jobs to support our habit so dont get all high and mighty about how hard you work, anyone who has horses works just as hard as the next person. We were just disapointd in the situation.  We will still use his methods, it will just take longer than expected.

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Beth
Reg. Apr 2004
Posted 2007-05-15 3:30 PM (#60806 - in reply to #60512)
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I like clinton's methods too.  But, I do think we can learn a little from every trainer....both good and bad methods, it is up to us what we choose to use.  Also, lets all remember that horses and riders learn at different speeds, what one horse might pick up in one lesson might take 3 or 4 lessons for another horse to learn, same with riders.  There are no concrete rules or timetables for training or learning.  Patience and consistency will usually yield the best results.

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Matt
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2007-05-18 1:40 PM (#60966 - in reply to #60806)
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Well said Beth. Everyone must understand that ever horse is different. I personally use so many different techniques depending on the situation and the horse. I couldn't even begin to tell you who taught me or where I saw it.

Question for pomlovertwo why do you think that it will take longer now? Just because your horse bucked that girl off? How much more do you think your horse would have really learned if Clinton had worked it on Sunday?

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pomlovertwo
Reg. May 2007
Posted 2007-05-19 5:17 PM (#61000 - in reply to #60512)
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I think it will take longer because the first experience she had was a bad one, and when I start young horse I never end the days lesson on a bad note. I dont know if he has worked her on sunday it would have made a difference or not but I guess we will never know.
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loveduffy
Reg. Feb 2006
Posted 2007-05-19 10:36 PM (#61014 - in reply to #61000)
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I have work with horse that had bad experience with harness and driving ( people are just dumb) It took just the same time as if the horse had not gone throw the bad experience just state over and go slower
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farmbabe
Reg. Nov 2003
Posted 2007-05-20 3:33 PM (#61036 - in reply to #60512)
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Bucking can also be just part of the training experience much like any other kind of "bad experience"...it happens folks. A young horse can be good as gold one day, horrible the next. Trainers aren't magical- even Anderson or Lyons or whoever. Much like potty training, someday you'll look back on this a wonder why you made such a big deal of it.
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pomlovertwo
Reg. May 2007
Posted 2007-06-03 11:44 AM (#61718 - in reply to #60512)
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Update: Sassy is doing fine she has been ridden for two weeks now not even offered to buck. what a sweetheart
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Jean F.
Reg. Jul 2005
Posted 2007-06-03 6:25 PM (#61728 - in reply to #60512)
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I just got back from a 2 - day Clinton Anderson clinic a couple of hours ago. He had a set program to follow, and demonstrations of a variety of different issues to please the few thousand folks in attendance.
The time was all used and breaks were given. He even went overtime on the first day. If he would have changed the schedule to bring back the bucker, someone else would have been bumped. That would disappoint his audience. Personally, I don't start colts or ride greenies. I would not have been happy to have him give up his advanced riding demonstration or spooky horse demo to put another ride on a 2 year old.
The guy has to be "on" in public and work his crowd. Showbiz has its price. Did you want him to give up his lunch break or dinner to ride your wife's 2 year old?
Did he give you your money back since he didn't live up to his promise of breaking your wife's horse?
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farmbabe
Reg. Nov 2003
Posted 2007-06-04 1:57 PM (#61778 - in reply to #61718)
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So does this mean that maybe you over -reacted to the incident and its long term effects?
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rose
Reg. Feb 2004
Posted 2007-06-05 10:25 PM (#61855 - in reply to #60512)
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I have been on a quest to find some older horse books, one in particular first published in 1967.  Found a third edition of the particular book printed in 1972, and lo and behold, it talks about breaking pens (now known as round pens) and describes a very low stress, on the horse and the person, method of starting a young horse.  Also found a really cool volume by a UK vet (who became a vet in 1909) and published a book in 1965 on the psychology of the horse. 

What was old is now new again.  There are shamans, showmen and horse people....and it is up to us to distinguish among them.  As Beth posted, time and patience and persistence.....

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cowpony01
Reg. Mar 2006
Posted 2007-06-07 8:58 PM (#61981 - in reply to #60512)
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I saw this was still up after not being on the forum for awhile............

I in my opinion, I believe all these so called "natural horsemanship trainers, or people" are just out there to sell their products and promote the ones that sponsor them (they gotta make their living somehow eh?). Yes, alot of their methods are old school, and they bring it out like brand new to everyone.

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