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HWBar
Reg. Nov 2005
Posted 2007-02-09 5:56 AM (#55265)
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Well I bit the bullet yesterday and bought a new, leftover GMC Duramax/Allison. After lots of looking measuring and reading, I think I did the right thing. Dodge, with there undeniable Horsepower and torque, needs to adjust the bed height issue. You shouldn't have to be concerned about how close the trailer is to the truck. You also shouldn't have to modify the height yourself. So I started looking at other brands, Having been a long time GM fan, dating back to when Earnhardt drove the wrangler car. I looked at the Chevrolet, that has to be the ugliest grill and headlight combination they have ever put on the front of any truck. So I started about 30 days ago looking for a GMC, much different front grille area. Found one that meets my option list(none). I don't mind cranking windows up and down, I never lock my truck, usually I leave the keys in it in case someone needs to move it. As far as the floor goes carpet would just get muddy. But I have graduated to not changing gears, also I kind of like to give my leg a rest on long trips. They put one of those no traction plastic bed liners in it, don't tell Al Gore but it made alot of black smoke when I burnt it last night. It has some fancy seats in it that let me move forward or backward while the wife sits still. Now I have to install another B/W hitch that was alot of fun on the Dodge, but I did have some headroom on it. I will probley have to adjust all the trailers around here to fit a normal sized truck. Anywho it is about 10 outside sure hope that D-max starts. Going to miss that big tuff looking Dodge maybe they will have them at a normal height when I need another one. 
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brushycreekranch
Reg. Jun 2006
Posted 2007-02-09 6:30 AM (#55266 - in reply to #55265)
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Don't feel bad. I did the same thing back in 2002. I couldn't keep a auto tranny in either of my 4x4 Dodge duallies pulling a big LQ trailer....... I love the Duramax. You will love the difference. My GMC 4x4 crewcab dually went 70K miles before it needed tires and is still on the original brakes at 95K. That Allison tranny is the next best thing since sliced bread.

We also have a Sportchassis M2 we got in 05 to pull the big trailers but if I am going anywhere that I think I may need 4WD, I leave the M2 at home and use the GMC dually. It is very capable of pulling the load. My favorite LQ trailer has electric/hydraulic brakes so that combined with the Allison makes for very good braking. Obviously not as good as the M2 would give me because there IS a big difference between the trucks.

I only have had one problem with my tranny. Since my dually is not a daily driver and sets weeks at a time without being started. We have to let the tranny fluid warm up a while in the winter before we engage the tow/haul feature or it will default to 3rd gear. Usually, about 5 to 10 minutes is sufficient. It can easily be reset just by turning it off and restarting it. Next time we need a tranny service, we are going to have them put in a colder climate rated fluid. This was never a problem when we lived in MD but after the Tranny service was done here in AR, it took a while to figure out what the heck was causing it to default.

Enjoy your Duramax, you will love it!

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tkjcut
Reg. Apr 2004
Posted 2007-02-09 7:28 AM (#55269 - in reply to #55265)
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HWBar, I too have an 02' crew cab 4wd dually and I have to say this is the Best truck I have ever owned BAR NONE. Averages 16 mpg pulling a steel S&H 3horse slant with 10' LQ. Hardly know it's there. As for installing your hitch I put a B&W rollover in mine, once you get the hole for the ball cut it's a piece of cake to install. All bolt holes are in the right places and enough room to work somewhat comfortably. Duramax is a killer trans. Good luck with your new to you truck.wttc.
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SHMANN
Reg. Aug 2006
Posted 2007-02-09 3:11 PM (#55296 - in reply to #55265)
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This is the 1st I've heard of it, although I'm sure there is more information out there somewhere in the forum. My wife really likes (prefers) the Dodge to the others we've looked at.  We're leaning towards the 2500 with the diesel... would a 2500 have the same bed height issue you had with yours? 

BTW - Good luck with the GMC - Among the 2500's I actually prefer the GM (Chevy/GMC) over the Dodge.  As a side note, I was amazed how much less expensive the Dodge's were when compared to Ford or Chevy (comparing new).

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HWBar
Reg. Nov 2005
Posted 2007-02-09 4:01 PM (#55300 - in reply to #55265)
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The difference at the top of the tailgate was 5" from the Dodge to this GMC. Yes the 2500's have the same problem when compared to other 2500's. I still believe the Dodge's are the best looking trucks out there, but my truck has to work and I shouldn't have to adjust anything to make it do so.

As far as the price goes I could have bought a new Dodge for far less than the GMC. Somewhere in the nieghborhood of $3,500 equally equiped trucks.

All that being said I'm starting to get used to this GMC, second full day, it's growing on me.



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xyzer
Reg. Apr 2004
Posted 2007-02-09 4:02 PM (#55301 - in reply to #55265)
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Originally written by HWBar on 2007-02-09 5:56 AM Dodge, with there undeniable Horsepower and torque, needs to adjust the bed height issue. You shouldn't have to be concerned about how close the trailer is to the truck. You also shouldn't have to modify the height yourself.
HMMMM.....I never had either problem with all my Dodges except when I tried to haul an older trailer...Hope you like your new grill!

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Terri
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2007-02-09 10:20 PM (#55320 - in reply to #55300)
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I had the same clearance problem with my 03 1500.  When we went to a 2500 we got an 02 with the old body style.  Now instead of having 5 inches of clearance I have 11.
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HWBar
Reg. Nov 2005
Posted 2007-02-10 10:15 AM (#55337 - in reply to #55265)
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The problem I was having is I pull 4 different gooseneck/Fifth wheel trailers. All of them would end up running downhill to the rear. The Dodge 3500 4X4 are nose down high in the rear. So the tailgate would end up hitting the bottom of the neck area. So you adjust the trailers to where they are even more nose high. Now you look like a goober going down the road. When I had the large LQ trailer 29' on the floor it would squat the truck down enough to help the situation, the fifth wheel is not very heavy on the truck so I had to adjust it up so much that on unlevel road conditions I could see the front tires on the trailer come off the ground. This with a stock unaltered truck. I may end up missing the power of the Cummins but a least the geometry of the truck and trailers are right.
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walkin
Reg. Jan 2005
Posted 2007-02-10 10:42 AM (#55338 - in reply to #55265)
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Take the bed off and use a flatbed.
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Jasondt2001
Reg. Nov 2006
Posted 2007-02-10 12:14 PM (#55344 - in reply to #55265)
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You may miss the power of the cummins? Trust me; it's still there and depending on the year you're comparing it to there's MORE.

The duramax was from what i understood to be the power house of the diesel gang for the last 5 years or so.

Either way, enjoy your truck, I know i just love mine! (07 Crew Cab 4x4 Sierra LT Dually). we bought a exiss 310 event living quarter trailer and there's not a hill to this day that makes me nervous :)  You'll also like the grade braking feature; after having it I cant live w/out it....

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HWBar
Reg. Nov 2005
Posted 2007-02-10 12:36 PM (#55345 - in reply to #55338)
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Originally written by walkin on 2007-02-10 10:42 AM

Take the bed off and use a flatbed.

I considered this option heavily, priced more than one. Also looked at a complete air bag setup removing the rear springs completely. But if I put a flat bed on my truck and adjust the trailers down so they tow right, now I have a bunch of trailers that only I can tow. Not such a bad idea, except my mother-in-law likes to borrow a couple of them from time to time and the couplers would be to short for her truck. To late now for any of those options new GMC/Duramax in the driveway.

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Terri
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2007-02-10 1:04 PM (#55346 - in reply to #55345)
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But if I put a flat bed on my truck and adjust the trailers down so they tow right, now I have a bunch of trailers that only I can tow.

 

That's generally the excuse I use for NOT lending out my stuff.  It drives my father in law nuts that I don't have (on purpose) a ball on the bumper/reciever hitch of my truck so he has to use his new truck to tow his trailer.  It's not like he doesn't have a truck, he just doesn't want to get it dirty/scratched.

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siseley
Reg. Jul 2006
Posted 2007-02-10 1:37 PM (#55348 - in reply to #55265)
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BUUUwaaaaa!!

I love it that your F.I.L. does the same thing.  I just hate to be an a$$hat, but they need to use their own vehicles. ( did you ever notice the gas tank is never refilled either?) I have lite grey upholstery, and my relatives have sticky fingered kids with food, or no manners, ( read wild indians!),  in the truck all the time too. Soooo... they don't get to use my truck.

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hounddog
Reg. Dec 2005
Posted 2007-02-10 6:06 PM (#55352 - in reply to #55265)
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The Duramax also comes with a little weenie of a 16 inch tire.Its a LOT easier to just reverse the spring pack blocks on the rear of the Dodge.Less then 2 hours for a body shop.Drops the rear a little over two inches and no parts needed.Lets see 2 hours max at body shop rates(some do it at home themselves) or spend a mininum of $3500 more for a D/Max. Some folks(like me like bed liners)could have at least given it away(or gave it back to the dealer) instead of burning it and polluting this world anymore.Cheeze.
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HWBar
Reg. Nov 2005
Posted 2007-02-10 9:18 PM (#55361 - in reply to #55352)
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Originally written by hounddog on 2007-02-10 6:06 PM

 Some folks(like me like bed liners)could have at least given it away(or gave it back to the dealer) instead of burning it and polluting this world anymore.Cheeze.

Sorry I pissed you and Al Gore off on the bedliner. Plastic bedliners have to be the dumbest thing the auto makers have ever come up with beside the grille/headlight combo on the Chevy's. $3500 well spent so far, and I aint paying nobody to adjust the hieght of a pick-up that is suposed to be built for towing.

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hounddog
Reg. Dec 2005
Posted 2007-02-11 12:31 AM (#55372 - in reply to #55265)
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If you pulled trailers with ANY WEIGHT on them and had a HEAVY DUTY TRUCK built for such you'd find then the the back end levels out with the front end! I like bedliners in certain appllcations because I want to be able to slide items from back to front to unload instead of having to lift the stuff.There was no call to BURN a brand new bedliner if you did not like or want it or to a least have the common sense not to POST about burning a plastic item that large.I'm sure the dealer would have taken it back gladly.Glad the truck DIDN'T come with CARPET. 

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HWBar
Reg. Nov 2005
Posted 2007-02-11 6:23 AM (#55374 - in reply to #55265)
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I posted above about the truck worked fine when I had the large(14' aprrox 14,000lbs.) LQ trailer, I sold it on this site, the wheels on that trailer were towards the rear so it squatted the truck down. Now I have a 32' Fifth Wheel "only" weighs 9,800lbs and it didn't make the truck squat enough to be able to tow it, had the hitch on the trailer adjusted up as far as possible(4" from tailgate to trailer) Couldn't even park it due to small decline from the road to my drive, the tailgate hit the trailer. I had to unhook it and take the tractor and park the trailer. After measuring everything multiple times the only way the truck was going to pull that trailer was to let it run downhill, or adjust the trucks rear suspension. I did look at removing the plates under the spring stack, that would have gained 1 5/8" at the rear axle and 1 3/4" at the tailgate, that was not enough. I looked into removing the whole rear suspension($2,500) to go with an airbag 4-link type setup. That's when $3,500 for a new truck didn't look so bad. By the way when did "weenie 16" wheels" dictate the load rating, I thought load ratings were determined by the tire, not the wheel.

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hounddog
Reg. Dec 2005
Posted 2007-02-11 7:13 AM (#55375 - in reply to #55265)
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Dosen't affect load rating put it does on RPM/tire wear and G.M. D/max has  continued to use them to get the low end pulling power the V8 diesel is lacking.215/16 on a dually.Kinda the LMAO in the truck world.This is a NEW century.Even the imports got more rubber under them. By the way I like late model D/Maxes just fine but with the differance in price and comparing a light duty diesel to a mid duty diesel(Cummins) it was only a fleeting thought in my truck purchase.The Ford was NEVER considered.

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Cloud9
Reg. Feb 2006
Posted 2007-02-11 8:36 AM (#55382 - in reply to #55265)
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Enjoy your GMC. For your purposes, I can understand the switch. I have an '03 Dodge 250 4X4 CTD that I pull a 32 ft. '05 Bison LQ 3h trailer with. Trailer weighs in at 12,000 lbs empty. I put Timbrins on the truck that helps the rear end and improves the ride. The goose neck ride about 5 inches above the bed rails of the truck. Close enough that it concerned me at first. But, I've never had a problem.

The truck was used when with 250 miles on it (long story) but has full new waranty etc. It is auto trans. If I had my 'druthers, I'd get a manual trans. I think that the auto trans may be the weakest link in the whole rig. I did get an aftermarket exhaust brake put on after burning out my brakes in the Rockies last year. It is definatly NOT a good idea to tow in the mountains with an auto and no exhaust brakes. I was lucky that we didn't wreck the thing.

I must say that the Dodge Cummins has been the best thing I've done. The bed does sit high, though. I can understand your frustration.
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Terri
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2007-02-11 8:46 PM (#55415 - in reply to #55382)
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I did get an aftermarket exhaust brake put on after burning out my brakes in the Rockies last year.

 

I didn't know you could do that.  Did the dealer have to do that? What did it run, if you don't mind.....

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cttwdfm
Reg. Dec 2006
Posted 2007-02-20 10:23 AM (#55907 - in reply to #55382)
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I love my 2007 3500 Dodge Cummins with 6 speed manual transmission.  It tows my 3 h/lq trailer like a dream.  I was interested in the comments about the box height and maybe I should remove the tailgate when towing?  It seems to come mighty close to the top of the tailgate when moving the trailer on uneven ground.
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Reg. Apr 2006
Posted 2007-02-20 11:09 AM (#55908 - in reply to #55265)
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Hello all. Just reading about the tallness of the rear-end of the Dodge.  I just traded my 02 Ford 250 automatic single rear axle, 4X4 for an 03 Dodge 6 speed manual 4X4 dually.  I haven't gotten to pull yet as I have to get a new ball for the bed.  So here I am reading about this problem and I am concerned.  I have several places to and from my place that could be a potential problem to go over - would hate to mess up my pretty new (to me) truck through my own ignorance!
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HWBar
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Posted 2007-02-20 12:32 PM (#55919 - in reply to #55265)
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It all about geometry(?), Dodge Dually's are about 3 inches taller than a Ford Dually about 4 inches taller than a Ford single rear wheel, and 5.5 inches taller than the GMC I bought. I don't have the measurement of a GM dually. If you have a small trailer 8' short wall or shorter your trailer will run uphill PERIOD. You can not adjust them down to run level, They do build trailers with the "Dodge" option, it raises the neck in the trailer 3 inches. I adjusted this trailer up as far as I could but the trailer was just to close to the bed for me, and still running down hill. I'm getting used to the Duramax but I still think the Dodge makes more power, we'll see this weekend when I pull the same trailer Loaded.
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cttwdfm
Reg. Dec 2006
Posted 2007-02-21 9:57 AM (#55963 - in reply to #55265)
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Re: Dodge box height   Thanks for your comments HW Bar.  My 2007 Dodge is the TRX, 4X4 with s/box and single rear wheels.  I tow a 3H Featherlite, with 6 " LQ.  From what you're saying, interference with the box might not be an issue?  I worry about it because it looks close and also because I saw someone take out their tailgate last summer. However, it was an older steel trailer and different Dodge truck.
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cttwdfm
Reg. Dec 2006
Posted 2007-02-21 10:21 AM (#55969 - in reply to #55265)
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I'm interested in the Jake break you can buy for the Dodge trucks.  I can see why you'd burn out the breaks pulling a load in the mountains.  Anyone have experience with them?
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