Hi, I have two mares that I would like to get bread this year. And I was wondering about A. I. them. I don't have much experience in A. I. horses but I've bread many cows. And was wondering if horses were bread the same way? Were do you get the semen? Cost? Any information would be appreciated. Thanks, Bryant
Posted 2007-01-18 1:42 PM (#54049 - in reply to #54046) Subject: RE: A.I. horses
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I wouldn't try to get horses "bread" but maybe you'd want them bred.PS Semen comes from stallions too. anyway, I'd first do some reserch online about using AI on horses. we use AI on cattle and there is a big difference between horses and cattle. Cattle are easier to breed AI,,,look for standing heat then breed the next day ( the old AM/PM rule) horses cycles last longer than cattle so the timing is important. generally, you'll need to find out when your mares are cycling ( teasing with a horny gelding is good) Then your vet will need to come to check the mares making sure they are clean. A vet can also help you determine the mares cycles.
Finding a stallion is a matter of knowing what you want. If you're into arabians like me ( or anyother breed) you'll want to know what kind of foal you want- western, english,jumping,dressage...whatever. Then start reading magazines, visiting farms, using the web. When you find a stallion you like, contact the farm and they can send you additional info. Prices vary- some are 500 bucks...some are $6000..depends on the breed and the demand for the stallion. Working with your vet, you have to know when its time to order semen- contacting the farm, when do they collect the stallion and time everything right. Semen is shipped to you overnight for the vet to inseminate.
Cost for collection,handling, shipping and vet visits can add alot to the cost of the stud fee. Make sure you know and understand what you are going to pay bottom line. Find out about rebreeding- should your mare take on the first breeding, how much to ship more semen next time? Some farms charge for this, some don't.
In short- there is much more to AI in horses than cattle. The costs are also much more too. Do some more reading and talk to your vet. Some vets are better at equine repro work than others. There are also farms set up to do equine repro work- they check the mares for heat, order the semen and inseminate.
Posted 2007-01-18 7:13 PM (#54078 - in reply to #54046) Subject: RE: A.I. horses
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Farmbabe, what a way to welcome a new member by insulting them on their typing and being so rude about the the origin of semen. Its a wonder many people stay on this site when you have such rude individuals as yourself.
Posted 2007-01-18 8:09 PM (#54083 - in reply to #54046) Subject: RE: A.I. horses
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YIKES Rob - I thought farmbabe was just poking fun. I hope Cowboyfritz didn't take it as seriously as you did!
I thought she gave some helpful advice but perhaps we could give her a good ribbing over her spelling of "reserch". Sometimes we type faster than our brains can keep up!!
Posted 2007-01-18 8:34 PM (#54089 - in reply to #54046) Subject: RE: A.I. horses
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I'll agree that she did give some good advice on the question. Hopefully, he did not take it in the same tone as I did. I see an insult as an insult. The same advice would have been just as beneficial to him without the first two sentences.
Posted 2007-01-20 11:49 PM (#54169 - in reply to #54046) Subject: RE: A.I. horses
Location: KY
On the subject of bread, it is gonna cost bread to AI a horse.
And with thorobreds (thoroughbreds) the Jockey Club only registers live cover. Live cover does seem to work better with the horses.
All depends on what stallion you want and how far away he is. I have a gorgeous black and white twh reg and SShbea reg stallion but unfortunately he is not homozygous. Stud fee and mare care quite reasonable, lfg or rebreed same or another mare within 18 months with only mare care fees.
All this talk about bread is making me hungry, think I'll go get a snack. See you all later. Jan
Posted 2007-01-21 8:13 AM (#54177 - in reply to #54169) Subject: RE: A.I. horses
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Originally written by rose on 2007-01-20 11:49 PM
And with thorobreds (thoroughbreds) the Jockey Club only registers live cover. Live cover does seem to work better with the horses.
The only reason that the Jockey club requires live cover is because that keeps the value up on the studs. "Storm Cat can only live cover so many mares". It has nothing to do with wether or not they think it works better. Storm Cats $300,000 stud fee would fall considerably if he could produce say 50 foals with one cover.
Posted 2007-01-21 1:00 PM (#54189 - in reply to #54046) Subject: RE: A.I. horses
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Another reason they only live cover TB's is to keep the lines pure.They want to actually see that mare get bred.That way there is no chance of mistakes!
I had my TB AI-ed to a TB/clyde. AS long as you have a vet that specailizes in that field ,and there are no medicail problems with either horse he should be able to bred them easily.My vet had my mare bred on his first try.It was her first breeding.There was some meds that I used first to get her cycle right and time everything.The stud fee was $1,000 the insemanation was only like $25 bucks,but there was alot leading up to that,and alot after that in fee's.I would say all in all after my mare delivered I had paid close to 6,000.My mare also had trouble drying up when the foal was weaned.She developed mastitis.That added to the bill.It is not so cheap but safer for both horses if you have a prize mare and stallion ,and don't want to chance them getting hurt in the process.
Posted 2007-01-21 1:06 PM (#54190 - in reply to #54046) Subject: RE: A.I. horses
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one more thing.....you have to pay collection fees for the stallion.The first collection is usally in with the stud fee,but there after if the mare doesn't take you will have to pay for the collection until the mare does take.Also will have to pay for all the meds leading up to the breeding to get the cycle right.Each time the mare does't take it will cost more and more $.Until she does.That is why you need to get a skilled vet so he can get your mare bred the first time around.
Posted 2007-01-21 3:36 PM (#54194 - in reply to #54046) Subject: RE: A.I. horses
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I'm assuming these mares are over 7 y/o and never bred before, the first thing you need to do is get a breeding examine done on your mares. Then you can make an educated plan on the best method to use for breeding. Older mares don't bred or maintain pregnancy well. The blood line must really be impressive if you want to AI them. good luck
Posted 2007-01-21 8:26 PM (#54210 - in reply to #54046) Subject: RE: A.I. horses
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Yes, older mares can be harder to stick, but not impossible. We have a half-arab mare who had her first foal at the age of 12. And went on to produce 7 babies before we retired her. However, we did choose live cover for her with an experienced stallion and handler.
Fritz - Why are you thinking of A.I. as opposed to live cover? Have you already chosen a stallion that is far away? We have done A.I. with some good results but I prefer L.C. if the stallion is close enough to trailer to within a few hours. That way they can breed the mare several times throughout her heat cycle. This gives a much better chance of success.
Posted 2007-01-21 8:48 PM (#54212 - in reply to #54194) Subject: RE: A.I. horses
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Hi this is cowboyfritz's wife.One of them is 8 years old, Reg. QH. She has had a filly 4 years ago but nothing since then. the other one is 15 yrs old Reg. App. I don't know if she has every been bred before. My husband wants to A.I. them I just wants to get a stud to breed them.
Posted 2007-01-21 9:36 PM (#54215 - in reply to #54046) Subject: RE: A.I. horses
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One question to ask yourself:
Can I recoupe the cost of the AI vet fees plus stud fees associated with the AI by selling the foal and all the usual expenditures of raising a foal? If the answer is not 100% YES, then your answer should be NO, look for studs local and in your price range.
If you get over invested in this and something horrible happens, an engine goes out, family illness or the horse passes away you will always blame each other for this decision. (This may be the type of thing if you have to ask about the cost you can't afford it...) I'm not making personal judgements about your finances, but I've seen couples in vet's offices fight about a lot less.
Posted 2007-01-21 10:07 PM (#54216 - in reply to #54046) Subject: RE: A.I. horses
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I would still suggest a breeding examine, unlike cattle, one trait horses are not bred for is reproduction. You will never see BW's and milking, weaning weights, yearling weights, ect. associated with a stallion or mare, just points, winnings, and color.
Posted 2007-01-21 11:55 PM (#54218 - in reply to #54046) Subject: RE: A.I. horses
Location: KY
As usual, Dwight makes good points. The other thing that bothers me about the ai procedure is the hormone stuff that is given the mare. It is icky; mare breaks out in hot flashes and so on. Since I am a female of a certain age, just can't see doing that to a mare unless really necessary.
PS Actually I think the Jockey Club may have the right idea in keeping prices up; just my greedy opinion.
Posted 2007-01-22 4:56 AM (#54220 - in reply to #54046) Subject: RE: A.I. horses
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Storm Cat is probley at $500K now, I am not as close to the TB industry as I once was. It is all about the cash with the Jockey Club, they don't need the registration numbers as the AQHA does to keep them afloat. They need the actual horses to be valuable, AQHA don't care about that, they need lots of registrations to pay the bills.
Posted 2007-01-22 8:03 AM (#54222 - in reply to #54216) Subject: RE: A.I. horses
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Any good vet would insist upon a breeding exam before any AI work was attempted. Even if you're going to use live cover, its a recommended thing to do.