Posted 2006-10-21 9:07 PM (#50380) Subject: Did they fix the Ford 6.0?
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I'm looking into buying a diesel and really want a GMC Duramax, but Ford is offering the better deal right now.So, the only way I'd get one is if I were sure they'd worked out the issues.Of course, they assured me that they have, but what do you experts think?
The dieselstop is a forum for ford diesels, the link above will direct you to the 6.0 forum. There are a lot of knowledgable people on there who should be able to give you info on the 6.0. From what I understand, they have worked out a lot of the problems, but I'm not sure if all of them have been taken care of.
Posted 2006-10-21 11:15 PM (#50386 - in reply to #50384) Subject: RE: Did they fix the Ford 6.0?
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Originally written by jackbrat on 2006-10-21 9:59 PM
Hi there, What is wrong with the Ford 6.0?
I know someone who has an '05 powerstroke diesel 6.0 for sale and am considering possibly purchasing it. But didn't know about this.
The short list is what ISN'T/WASN'T wrong with it.
It is not clear from the diesel forums that it is fixed, though every year they say that its too early to say yet that the latest improvements havn't fixed things. Double speak. By the reports on this forum, they still blow transmissions more than GM or Dodge.
BTW, just TODAY the mail brought me a warranty extension on the Duramax fuel injection system for the '03.
7 years or 200,000 miles, whichever comes first.
I figure if it goes that long, it will probably go well beyond Meg/2 (-:
Posted 2006-10-22 6:41 AM (#50387 - in reply to #50380) Subject: RE: Did they fix the Ford 6.0?
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Posts: 1205 Location: Danielsville Georgia
If buying new get the DuraMax! If buying used STILL get a DuraMax or a Dodge.The 06/07 Fords are improved but still a headache.The 03/04/05 Ford 6.0s are a bigger headache.Lots of folks on the Diesel sites are trying to move their 6.0s to new homes as the 100k warranty runs out for obvious reasons etc.I really LIKE the specs on the 08 Ford coming down the pike but until PROVEN lots of comments about who's gonna be the first guinea pigs to buy one etc.Do a comsumers buy new/used on 03 up Ford diesels and read.The info has been out there for a LONG time.
Posted 2006-10-22 3:32 PM (#50405 - in reply to #50380) Subject: RE: Did they fix the Ford 6.0?
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I have two Ford 6.0's: 2003 w/ 48k miles and 2006 w/ less than 10k miles. No problems with either. In 2007 the new low emission requirements go into effect so we bought the second one now. Replaced a Chevy. The Duramax/Allison combo has had its share of problems. As has been discussed to death on this forum, there are strengths and weaknesses in each of the big three (Ford, Chevy, Dodge). Buy what works best for you. Everyone has their opinion about what is best. And opinion isn't fact!
Posted 2006-10-22 6:40 PM (#50412 - in reply to #50380) Subject: RE: Did they fix the Ford 6.0?
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Opinion isn't a fact is very correct.BUT the consumer forums,RV forums,amount of warranty paid out,updates,technical service bulletins etc.are FACTS.The Ford 6.0 has been the LOSS LEADER for Ford.Thats not a opinion.Its a fact.Just do some product searching.As I stated I like the specs on the new 08 coming out in the 450/550 series but would not even think of one until mid 09 to see how they perform. I do stay abreast of such and I'm not a Ford hater by no means.Just want to make sure ythat folks that aren't aware are before buying used (or new for that matter) a vehicle that could be a huge money pit.Ford is very aware of the 6.0s rep and has held off coming out wiith the 6.4 making sure it works.Lots of tech.info on some of changes of the 6.4 compared to the 6.0 on TheDieselstop.com
Posted 2006-10-22 7:27 PM (#50417 - in reply to #50380) Subject: RE: Did they fix the Ford 6.0?
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granted all the big 3 have had their problems, most minor. however none have had such problems that actually made the news, EXCEPT for the 6.0 powerstroke. i do not have any brand loyalty but this was enough for me not to consider the 6.0 fords when i was looking for my used truck, and if i needed a different used or new truck i still wouldnt consider the 6.0. its your money and any truck is a gamble, i just wont gamble my money on a truck with a known problem of such magnitude.
Posted 2006-10-22 8:12 PM (#50421 - in reply to #50380) Subject: RE: Did they fix the Ford 6.0?
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I didn't mean this as Ford bashing. Actually, I've been a Ford Girl all my life right up until the 6.0 disaster and I agree that none of the Big Three are pure as the driven snow.I'm just looking to minimize risk to increase my peace of mind when hauling my horse......and to do that it sounds like I'm gonna have to pass on the 6.0.Thanks, folks.
Posted 2006-10-22 10:53 PM (#50440 - in reply to #50380) Subject: RE: Did they fix the Ford 6.0?
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Posts: 2453 Location: Northern Utah
I had a 97, a 2000, a 2003 and now a 2006 Ford. 7.3L and 6.0L
My 6.0L were a better truck than my 7.3L
My 2003 6.0L had a few problems. Which Ford fixed with the warranty.ICP, VGT, And main problem was my EGT Back pressure sensor. Once they replaced that my problems went away. None of the problems that I had, ever left me stranded or endangered. Most were replaced while I had the truck in for regular service. My most frustrating problem was that my truck ran great at home. When I'd go to the mountains to ride my horses. When I tried to start up and go. The turbo would shut down and I had no power. The Back Pressure sensor would still think I was in the valley at lower elevation and would send a signal to the turbo to not over boost the engine. Shut it off, restart and everything was fine. An inconviences, But never made me late for anything.
My 2006 has 18,000 miles and I have not had any problems with it. I have one of my three trailers hooked up to it almost daily. My GN horsetrailer is 13,000lbs loaded. My Dump trailer is 5000lbs empty and I frequetly haul 8000lbs of rock in the dump trailer and my Skid loader is almost 7000lbs and it's trailer is 3000lbs. My trucks get worked.
I considered a Dura Max last march when I bought the 2006 Ford. But the Ford rebates were substantially more. Allowing me to buy the ford for several thousand $ less than a GM product.
The various diesel website all have a tendancy to show case the those with problems. So you will always see more folks complaining than praising their trucks. Ford sells more diesels than Dodge and GM combined. So with more owners there will be more complaints. The early 6.0L did have some problems. Some folks had bad injectors, which left them stranded or broke down. (I didn't and my 2003 6.0L was built the first week of production) The ICP, VGT and EGT affected most trucks. Ford started changing the computer programing and those changes seemed to affect how quite the engine was ( split shot inject was removed) Fuel mileage dropped a little.
The 6.0L is a little weak until the engine builds some RPMs and the turbo gets to work. That's why the new 2008 trucks will have a 6.4L with twin turbos. The extra displacement to help with low end torque, the twin sequntial turbos to help get boost quicker.
I suggest you drive all 3 makes and decide which one you like @ the prices available.
Posted 2006-10-23 10:31 AM (#50454 - in reply to #50380) Subject: RE: Did they fix the Ford 6.0?
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Just turned 7700 on My 06 F350 DRW cc long box 4.10.
Runs great,so far no problems.the compass modual is being replaced,it doesn't know wich way it's going.But neither do I sometimes.Just took a 700 mile Round trip deer hunt and boogied right along.15 min out of the truck and had a deer down and ready to cut up.
Really like it.Saw a Caddy with a smashed in windshield....deer jumped the car and landed on the windshield. Deer dead,people cut up a little.
Saw alot of chevys along the road with hoods up,not sure what that was about,no one around.
Posted 2006-10-23 10:35 AM (#50455 - in reply to #50380) Subject: RE: Did they fix the Ford 6.0?
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If I were you I would go and buy a used truck with low mileage that dosen't have any problems. You can use the internet to research all of the big three. Get on the Ford, GM, and Dodge boards. Ask your questions on those sites. If they are jerks find another board.
Posted 2006-10-23 10:44 AM (#50456 - in reply to #50380) Subject: RE: 6.0
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When you narrow down your truck choice, take your first pick in to a dealer of that brand, if it isn't on a dealer lot. Have them do a pre-purchase inspection. Costs about $100, and in addition to checking everything out, the dealer will be able to pull the VIN# and tell you what, if any, warranty work has been done on that particular vehicle. I bought my 2003 F350 used and did this, and the dealer provided records corresponding to what the seller said had been done. I believe someone already recommended running a Carfax report.
Posted 2006-10-23 11:46 AM (#50464 - in reply to #50380) Subject: RE: Did they fix the Ford 6.0?
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I have a 2004, 2500 Dodge and a 2006 F350, I dislike the Dodge so much that I refuse to drive that truck! (The 04 was a buy back, we had an 03 that was the BIGGEST piece of crap, Tranny fell out on I-10 in the middle of June, in PHOENIX, with 3 horses on!!!) Had such front end trouble that they NEVER did fix it, they decided to buy it back! The 04 tranny slips, Been in shop 3 times and the front end is starting to do the same thing that the 03 did! Never again will I own a Dodge! NEVER!!!
I have had NO trouble with the Ford, My x has an 03 F250 4X4, has th 6.0, he has had NO trouble with the truck. Just general maintance. My son has an 06 Chevy with the Duramax and alison, its new so I cant say anything about that truck. (other than its a Chevy, lol)
So far, My Ford has had no trouble at all. I cant say that about the dodge!
Posted 2006-10-23 12:51 PM (#50467 - in reply to #50464) Subject: RE: Did they fix the Ford 6.0?
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Originally written by justcruzin on 2006-10-23 9:46 AM
I have a 2004, 2500 Dodge and a 2006 F350, I dislike the Dodge so much that I refuse to drive that truck! (The 04 was a buy back, we had an 03 that was the BIGGEST piece of crap, Tranny fell out on I-10 in the middle of June, in PHOENIX, with 3 horses on!!!) Had such front end trouble that they NEVER did fix it, they decided to buy it back! The 04 tranny slips, Been in shop 3 times and the front end is starting to do the same thing that the 03 did! Never again will I own a Dodge! NEVER!!!
I have had NO trouble with the Ford, My x has an 03 F250 4X4, has th 6.0, he has had NO trouble with the truck. Just general maintance. My son has an 06 Chevy with the Duramax and alison, its new so I cant say anything about that truck. (other than its a Chevy, lol)
So far, My Ford has had no trouble at all. I cant say that about the dodge!
Funny how autos are you could reverse the Ford and Dodge and that would be my story
Posted 2006-10-23 1:34 PM (#50470 - in reply to #50467) Subject: RE: Did they fix the Ford 6.0?
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I so do understand! We had a 1998 Dodge that we traded for the 03, what a mistake, the 98 had close to 200,000 miles. Never had a problem with it! If I could turn back time!!
Posted 2006-10-24 10:20 AM (#50528 - in reply to #50380) Subject: RE: Did they fix the Ford 6.0?
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I will never own another Ford, even if they do get the issues fixed. Why,because Ford did not stand behind their product. I owned an F450 that only had 12k on before all hell broke loose. I replaced 9 injectors, a cylinder block, a high pressure oil pump, and a turbo clamp. I "tried" to tow 7 times last year and broke down 6 out of those 7. Ford paid for the repairs but nothing else ($3k in documented personal expenses because of the break downs) and would not replace or buy back the vehicle. They insisted that nothing was wrong with it! I loved the truck when it did run but it was NOT worth the headaches!
Posted 2006-10-25 9:20 AM (#50576 - in reply to #50528) Subject: RE: Did they fix the Ford 6.0?
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Originally written by hav2ride on 2006-10-24 10:20 AM
I will never own another Ford, even if they do get the issues fixed. Why,because Ford did not stand behind their product. I owned an F450 that only had 12k on before all hell broke loose. I replaced 9 injectors, a cylinder block, a high pressure oil pump, and a turbo clamp. I "tried" to tow 7 times last year and broke down 6 out of those 7. Ford paid for the repairs but nothing else ($3k in documented personal expenses because of the break downs) and would not replace or buy back the vehicle. They insisted that nothing was wrong with it! I loved the truck when it did run but it was NOT worth the headaches!
Posted 2006-10-25 2:53 PM (#50609 - in reply to #50380) Subject: RE: Did they fix the Ford 6.0?
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The items he posted that failed tells me what year/years it was.03 through 06.The Ford forums were(not as bad now but still) eaten up with the same sorta story over and over.
Posted 2006-10-26 2:08 AM (#50637 - in reply to #50380) Subject: RE: Did they fix the Ford 6.0?
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Ive been real happy with my 99 7.3 f250 would like a 6.0 but they seem to have problems, my ideal truck would have a Caterpillar motor and a ford badge on it
Posted 2006-10-26 9:10 AM (#50647 - in reply to #50576) Subject: RE: Did they fix the Ford 6.0?
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It was a 2005 and I know how to drive a truck and trailer. My husband drove trucks and 2 of my best friends drove tractor trailers and taught me how to drive. I know how to watch the rpms, turbo pressure, yada, yada. BTW, there were no add ons other than cosmetic and an a aux fuel tank. I have talked to others that have had the same trouble with their Fords. I have also talked to some who are fairly happy. My main issue is how Ford handled the situation. They refused to do anything but repair it. That is not much consolation when you consistently break down 2 days from home with horses on a trailer!
Did they fix the Ford 6.0?
