Posted 2006-10-11 2:21 PM (#49910) Subject: which dewormer do you prefer?daily/paste???
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Which dewormer do you think works best??I like to use the daily.I think it helps keep the weight better and gives a glossier coat.A General all around healtheir apperance.I also use the paste 2 times a year spring and fall.
Posted 2006-10-11 3:52 PM (#49913 - in reply to #49910) Subject: RE: which dewormer do you prefer?daily/paste???
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I use to use both like you do. However, my mare seems to be a little hard to handle when she is on the daily stuff. Maybe she just feels better when she is on it. I would love to keep her on the daily because I agree she looks much better all around but somedays shes like riding a rocketship to the moon.
Posted 2006-10-11 5:47 PM (#49918 - in reply to #49910) Subject: RE: which dewormer do you prefer?daily/paste???
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I have never heard of that...but I suppose it would make since that they would feel better too.I have 2 tb's and a 3 year old WB.I have not noticed that in them,but they have always been on it since I have had them.
Posted 2006-10-11 5:51 PM (#49919 - in reply to #49910) Subject: RE: which dewormer do you prefer?daily/paste???
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Well, it doesn't seem to affect my geldings. But, this is my 2nd mare and it affects them both the same way. Like I said I would love to keep her on it but can't risk the rocketship ride!!
Posted 2006-10-11 7:56 PM (#49928 - in reply to #49910) Subject: RE: which dewormer do you prefer?daily/paste???
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Paste.I check fecal for worm egg count.Some I haven't wormed in over a year as they haven't needed it.The vets I asked about daily were not in favor of it.Did not give the animal a chance to build a resistance to worms.If animals are stalled and hayed or dry lotted etc.once clear of internal parasites really don't need a wormer going through their system 24/7. I check fecal as a rule and if ONLY owned one or two horses it would really be easy.
Posted 2006-10-11 8:29 PM (#49931 - in reply to #49910) Subject: RE: which dewormer do you prefer?daily/paste???
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Been doing this for a few years.Vet suggested it.He does his 60 odd warmbloods same way.Works great.No eggs shedding no worms.Only one that dosent show up is tapes.Also helps determine what dewormer to use. Also helps to determine if a resistance to a wormer is a issue.I have bought some generic ivermictrins that when feccal check in 5 days egg count was still high.Use another brand and egg count gone or almost nil.Lot cheaper then buying wormer and just throwing it at animals that may not need it.I just wormed a stud that has been dry lotted a long time just because bot season is over.He still tested clear since last year at this same time for anything else. Oh by the way I don't BS!
Posted 2006-10-11 9:51 PM (#49939 - in reply to #49910) Subject: RE: which dewormer do you prefer?daily/paste???
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I agree with Houndog. Checking egg counts is the best way. Considering the housing situation and whether other horses are coming and going makes a big difference too. Just guessing is a good way to waste $$.
Posted 2006-10-11 9:56 PM (#49941 - in reply to #49939) Subject: RE: which dewormer do you prefer?daily/paste???
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I use the paste . I read and my vet said that older horses have problem with daily wormer. egg count is the best way to know for sure if your horse is safe
Posted 2006-10-12 4:19 AM (#49944 - in reply to #49910) Subject: RE: which dewormer do you prefer?daily/paste???
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I also use the paste, but was wondering,,,,,,,,how does one test for worms anyway? Can you do it yourself by purchasing a kit or something or does the darn vet have to be involved?
Posted 2006-10-12 5:18 AM (#49946 - in reply to #49910) Subject: RE: which dewormer do you prefer?daily/paste???
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My vet charges $3 bucks a pop.Can be done yourself.Takes a microscope,slides,cover slides and a solution of water and??? Anyhow use a paper cup a little manure and draw it off the top.Vet is gonna show me as he says the $3 bucks is no real loss to him and he says its simple to do.I've been lazy or it just hasn't gotton to the top of the list at the moment.Maybe this will spur me on as I have a microscope,slides etc.and gettting somewhat setup to do my own cooled seman,check for worm eggs etc.Friend of my uses a microscope he bought at pawn shop near the college.I got mine off e/bay.A no name made by a name brand company etc.A poop ball in a baggy and drop it with vet.I lable them and he calls me that evening or the next.My vet is not a big fan of adding/using what he calls strong drugs(wormers)if NOT needed.I understand him and agree as well as the cost.I think the daily stuff for the most part is marketing hype.(has its place and need in some situations but not mainstay) Hey they(vets office)check your DOG the same way when you take them in. As far as pastures in times of DROUGHT egg count goes WAY down as well as needing to worm horses as much even in heavy populated pastures.Also pastures shared with cattle the worm/egg count goes way down.Cattle and horses don't share same parisites(one which is minor) and will graze each others areas but not their own.Lots of throughbred farms have pet cows/steers to turn into paddocks as they are rotated for this very reason.
Posted 2006-10-12 5:39 AM (#49949 - in reply to #49946) Subject: RE: which dewormer do you prefer?daily/paste???
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Microscopes, slides and cover slides OH MY!............easier for me to scoop the poop and drop it off at the vet's. I have 7 horses. So do I have to bring in 7 samples? Hope not..............
Posted 2006-10-12 7:08 AM (#49950 - in reply to #49910) Subject: RE: which dewormer do you prefer?daily/paste???
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Of course 7 samples.Each animal is differant in their internal defense.I do a lot more then seven.eaither a little baggy and label it or a small cup and cover.its not like taking a soil sample where you get seven samples and stir it up for a average.
Posted 2006-10-12 7:49 AM (#49953 - in reply to #49950) Subject: RE: which dewormer do you prefer?daily/paste???
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I do not think that you have to test all 7 horse just do the ones that look thin or there hair coats are not right. If you do not have any horse in that way then just check two of them.
Posted 2006-10-12 8:00 AM (#49954 - in reply to #49950) Subject: RE: which dewormer do you prefer?daily/paste???
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All right, all ready...... geesh.............So what happens if some have worms and some don't ? Do you treat ALL or just the ones that do? Wouldn't the others eventually get infested?
Posted 2006-10-12 8:15 AM (#49958 - in reply to #49910) Subject: RE: which dewormer do you prefer?daily/paste???
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I follow my vet's worming schedule...........now is that overkill???? Hell if I know, but my horses are healthy. (god, knock on wood). I've never done the fecal test on any of them and I've had this herd for almost 10 years now............
I'm always interested in how people do things in the horse world......
Posted 2006-10-12 9:38 AM (#49966 - in reply to #49910) Subject: RE: which dewormer do you prefer?daily/paste???
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I prefer the paste. I rotate with Zimecterin, ComboCare, and Anthelcide or Panacur and treat every 3 months.
I don't like the daily wormer as much as it only controls 4 species of worms (large/small strongyles, pinworms and assarids). That is what is states on the labels of Strongid C, Continuex, and Equi Aid CW. The way I look at is that even if you feed a daily wormer you will still have to paste worm the horse to control all of the other species that the daily doesn't kill.
Of course I have 4 horses that are in and out of a stall and on and off pasture. Confinement and separation changes the exposure of any horse to being reinfested after worming. Also the weather is a factor.
Posted 2006-10-12 10:33 AM (#49975 - in reply to #49910) Subject: RE: which dewormer do you prefer?daily/paste???
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It's interesting to see how everyone else does things.
As far as wormers we use paste and rotate it everytime. In one of the packages we got had a rotation calander in it stating which wormer to use during which time of the year. This may be a shock to some but we worm everytime the farrier comes out, which is every 8 weeks. This may sound excessive but never had a problem and right now it's 8 horses that we worm on a regular basis.
Posted 2006-10-12 11:00 AM (#49983 - in reply to #49910) Subject: RE: which dewormer do you prefer?daily/paste???
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I have never thought of it like that. Checking for worms before worming. Come to think of it I don't worm myself 4 times a year. I'll be getting in touch with my vet to do some poop checks. Hopefully he will tell me what kind of wormer to use also. Darn good tip in my book.