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luluwhit
Reg. Apr 2005
Posted 2005-12-30 8:06 AM (#34548)
Subject: generator question


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hey guys!  i got a really nice xmas present in a walmart gift card and since i have just purchased a trailer with a weekender package i thought it might be nice to have a generator.  i found this one at walmart and was wondering if anybody had one?  any input would be greatly appreciated and i cant wait till spring to hit the road!!!!!!!

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=2018659&dept=5428&path=0%3A5428%3A4091%3A4338#Shipping+%26+Delivery 

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Dawnya
Reg. Aug 2004
Posted 2005-12-30 6:40 PM (#34580 - in reply to #34548)
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It will be loud as hell but power what you need.
Have fun!

 

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Longrider
Reg. Oct 2004
Posted 2005-12-30 7:37 PM (#34582 - in reply to #34548)
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I hope you intend on camping far away from everyone else, especially me. LOL

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Turfa
Reg. Mar 2004
Posted 2005-12-30 8:34 PM (#34585 - in reply to #34548)
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It is a fairly loud unit @ Comparative Noise Level (dBA): 75.9.  This is the same loudness as the average push type lawn mower.  My other concern is the weight @ 179 Lbs.  How are you going to load and unload that much weight? 

 

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Painted Horse
Reg. May 2005
Posted 2005-12-30 10:52 PM (#34601 - in reply to #34548)
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That type of generator is great for construction Job sites but is not real handy to haul around. As mentioned above it's heavy and bulky besides being noisy.

A better choice, but a lot more money are the invertor type of generators. Not as powerful, but more than adequet for what you will have inside your weekender. Also the inverter type of generators are better for high tech equipement, i.e  laptop computers, DVD players, TV's etc. They have a purer electrical signal. Not so many spikes in the power. They are much lighter, and a lot quieter.

Honda and Yamaha really dominate this market.  Honda makes a EU1000  EU2000 and a EU3000 unit. The 1000 will not run an A/C unit. But will charge your battery and power small appliances.  The EU2000 is marginal on A/C units, weighs around 40lbs, has a 53 decibel noise level and runs 4 hours on a tank of fuel. The EU3000 will handle just about anything you put in a LQ, but it's $3000 and 130lbs, which is more than I want to lift in and out of the truck.

I bought the Yamaha EF2400  It puts out 2400 peak watts, cost around $1149 and weighs 70lbs. It is 54-59 decibels loud and runs 8.5 hours on a tank of fuel. It will run my A/C or my Microwave (not at the same time).  It's compact and easy to store. And at 70 lbs I can still lift it in and out of the truck bed or tack room.

Both the Honda and Yamaha offer models that can be connected together to offer twice the power. That is you buy 2 Yamaha EF2400. Hook them together and you get 4800 watts. Or two honda 1000, hook them together to get 2000 watts.



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mingiz
Reg. Jul 2004
Posted 2006-01-01 8:45 AM (#34658 - in reply to #34548)
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I have a weekend LQ in my Exiss and I purchased a Honda 3000 generator and it ran the trailer fine and the noise level was low. I had the generator back by the tire area of the trailer and it ran on 1/2 load and you hardly heard it.
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mingiz
Reg. Jul 2004
Posted 2006-01-01 8:49 AM (#34659 - in reply to #34548)
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By the way I only paid 1700 for mine new. I got it directly from the honda E-Store. Picked it up at a local dealer...no shipping fees just tax. Also the only thing I found with it is that if your running on low range you can't have your ac and microwave on at same time it will over load and trip the circuit.
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luluwhit
Reg. Apr 2005
Posted 2006-01-03 12:30 PM (#34812 - in reply to #34548)
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thanks for all the input guys!  i had noticed the weight also but i knew nothing about the noise level indicators.  i will keep shoping now that i am a better informed buyer!  u guys are great!
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Kansashoss
Reg. Aug 2005
Posted 2006-01-04 8:34 PM (#34913 - in reply to #34548)
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Are Honda and Yamaha inverted generators equal??  I'm looking at the mid-size range, want to power the fan, coffee pot and such, no AC unit.  Which one gives the best bang for the buck??  Online I see $1,100 for the Honda EU2000, is that about standard retail price??

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deranger
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2006-01-05 3:06 AM (#34921 - in reply to #34913)
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I'm partial to Yamaha for more reasons than just generators. Honda good...........Yamaha better.
Happy trails.
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retento
Reg. Aug 2004
Posted 2006-01-05 4:44 AM (#34926 - in reply to #34548)
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I use a EF3000ISE-B Yamaha, it's got 3500 watts at startup rather than 3000 watts the EF3000ISE and the 3000 watt Honda. The Yamaha EF3000ISE-B pulls an additional 500 watts off of the starting battery to give a little more grunt for starting A/C units while the coffee maker and or the "blow dryer" is in service, the "B" is for boost on the ISE-B models. Both the Yamaha and the Honda inverter units are fine generators and are as quiet as you will find. Yes, they are high dollar, but you won't wake up at the campground the next morning with a gas tank full of sugar! You buy one of those "contractor generators" and park next to me and think I'm going to listen to that all night, you best think again, you'll need a cord to reach the next county, I ain't listening to that!

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Painted Horse
Reg. May 2005
Posted 2006-01-05 6:29 PM (#34982 - in reply to #34548)
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Both the Honda & Yamaha generators are close. The Honda EU1000 and EU2000 are consumer products and have more plastic parts. The Honda EU3000 and the Yamaha are more comercial units with more metal parts. Call me old fashion but I think the metal parts will last longer. Thats the big difference why you go from 50lbs for the EU2000 to 130lbs for the EU3000.  There was quite a lengthy discussion on the RV.net website last summer about this. One fellow claiming to be an authorized service repairman listed the various parts of the Honda engine, telling which where plastic and which were metal. These were internal parts of the engine, not gas tanks or cowlings.

The Yamaha EF2400is offered me enough power for the trailer while weighing in at 70lbs. It's has 20% more power than the Honda EU2000 for $1150 vs the Honda's $1000-$1100 price. ( although I've seen the Honda EU2000 on sale at $998 several times)

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Kansashoss
Reg. Aug 2005
Posted 2006-01-05 7:27 PM (#34986 - in reply to #34548)
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Hey thanks for the comps!  Where in the heck does one find a quiet generator on sale???  I decided to tuck away some $$$ and purchase one next month so I'll have it for the trail/show/rodeo season- maybe a Feb ice storm too!!
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Dawnya
Reg. Aug 2004
Posted 2006-01-05 8:19 PM (#34989 - in reply to #34548)
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I'm also looking into the Kipor generators.
They're almost identical (specs) to the Honda and Yamaha.  But oh, so much cheaper!
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terri s
Reg. Sep 2005
Posted 2006-01-06 9:32 AM (#35006 - in reply to #34548)
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Where are you seeing those???? Share, share!
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Turfa
Reg. Mar 2004
Posted 2006-01-06 11:57 AM (#35013 - in reply to #34548)
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Here's one source.

http://www.auroragenerators.com/Kipor-p-1-c-5.html

 

Turfa

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Longrider
Reg. Oct 2004
Posted 2006-01-06 1:09 PM (#35021 - in reply to #34548)
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If I remember correctly, we had a discussion about the Kipor generators on here before with some input from people who were familiar with them in Europe.  Something about parts availability and service centers here in the U.S. as I recall.
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Painted Horse
Reg. May 2005
Posted 2006-01-06 5:16 PM (#35029 - in reply to #34548)
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These guys are usually as low as anybody. When I bought mine, they all of sudden didn't have any in stock and it took two extra weeks to get one. But they threw in a free hour meter for the trouble.

http://www.wisesales.com/

Also check out
http://electricgeneratorsdirect.com/catalog/default.php?cPath=53_16...

Both of these guys throw in free frieght.

And of coure try your local Yamaha or Honda motorcycle dealer

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packerpete
Reg. Mar 2004
Posted 2006-01-06 6:49 PM (#35041 - in reply to #34548)
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I took a look at the specs and don't feel that these are in the same league as the Honda and especially the Yamaha generators. The Kipor are significantly louder, and lack specs for 220 volt outlets (none?). Maybe these features aren't important to everyone, but I would also think seriously about part availability as well.

I'm with Dearinger on this one...Yamaha looks best on paper. I don't own one, but I'm watching the prices at Nothern Tool....maybe it's because my power has been out for seven days today!

Pete

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cruz
Reg. Jan 2006
Posted 2006-01-06 8:54 PM (#35045 - in reply to #34548)
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Last summer I bought a "home depot" generator. Ran it 2 hours. then the fuel tank leaked, so I shut it off, (It took 3 days before I could hear again.) Took it back to HD, and they didnt have another to replace it, they sent ME to another location who had one. I took it home, and the carb float was stuck, and it flowed fuel out of the air cleaner.so I returned that one, and the service guy hit on the carb, said maybe it will start to work. (I was a mechanic, which I tried to lightly "tap" the carb at home, still leaked. Thought for the $$$ spent, I shouldn't have to repair before it worked,so I took it back and asked a refund. Take the advise. save a few bucks more. I am, and will get Honda or yamaha.

FYI:I purchased with cash. So a return with a defect, leaking fuel, reciept in hand, willing for a exchange, HD said they were out, then I ask refund. since I paid cash, store can only give $300 cash back and  the balance a store credit.very nice, $900 store credit??? ONLY WAY TO GET REFUND >$300 ,I had to wait 20 days for Home Depot to mail me a check. I will NEVER pay cash at Home Depot. C-card only. I talked to a few upper managers, I asked if a certian time of day would be better to get the cash.(I would return then), same story. I understand thats a lot to give out in the customer service line, but think about it, there are ALOT of items well over 1000 dollars.

Had another issue later at Home depot. I paid 300 for something which was defective. Upon returning the item, Home Depot said since I paid with a check, it would be 10 days before they could refund. OK,fine. Then I thought, why do we stand there, and wait for a verification check when you write a check out, Home Depot calls a "check verification" they get a confirmation number the check is good. The money electronicly is immeaditly is drawn out your account, but a refund is still the "old" 10 day return policy, then you can return the item, only to be told it will be 20 more days for Home depot to mail you a check???

Its sorry to say cash is no good there...wally

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Kansashoss
Reg. Aug 2005
Posted 2006-01-06 10:16 PM (#35046 - in reply to #34548)
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Thanks for the links, tips and experiences w/ the Honda and Yamaha.  New question- can the Yamaha be piggy-backed like the Honda??  I was thinking of starting out w/ the 2000 series because that is all I need now.  However, the Honda option of connecting two 2000 to make one large system is a very nice option for down the road. 

What a bite at Home Depot and thanks for sharing the problem here.  That is definitely going in my mental roledex of things to remember.  We tend to make our big ticket purchases w/ them or Tractor Supply. 

 

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Painted Horse
Reg. May 2005
Posted 2006-01-07 12:08 AM (#35049 - in reply to #34548)
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The Yamaha EF2400is can be piggy backed with another Yamaha EF2400 just like the Hondas. You have to join TWO matching generators together. You can not join a Honda with a Yamaha or a Honda 1000 with a Honda 2000.

I don't know if the Yamaha 3000 series can piggyback. Check the specs.

Check out RV.net on how to make your own cable for $15 or $20 vs buying one from Honda for $250. It didn't look very hard when I checked it out last summer

For my horse trailer, the Yamaha EF2400 works just fine. You can not run multiple high drain devices at the same time. i.e. Can not run Hot water heater and A/C unit similtaneously. You'd have the same problem trying to run Hair blower and A/C or Microwave and A/C as same time. Just count up the watts and don't go over 2000watts at any time. I've yet to run my A/C while camping. (Utah mountains are cool enough) So I use it to charge my batteries and cook dinner in the microwave and heat some hot water to wash up.
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Kansashoss
Reg. Aug 2005
Posted 2006-02-18 6:55 PM (#37455 - in reply to #34548)
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I made the call to Wise today and have a EU2000i on it's way.  I wonder if a newer model is coming out because total cost was $869 complete.  The folks were first class so two thumbs up for Wise.

As the t.v. commercial goes "We'll leave the light on for you."   

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J D
Reg. Feb 2006
Posted 2006-02-18 9:01 PM (#37465 - in reply to #34548)
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I bought a 4300 kawasaki, it cost $1500 it has an automatic idle which isn't at an idle very often, it is quiet enough compared to a honda it is a little louder but not much, it is heavy. When I load it in the truck I put the ramp down on the trailer load it in the trailer then back the truck up then reload it into the truck with the ramp. It will fit under the rear tack.
My trailer dealer told me that depends on the air-conditioner you have some air-cond take 3700 to start then will back down in the two thousand range after turned on. The 4300 will run everything the air, microwave, t.v. converter, all lights. I have run it 11 hrs before fill up.
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TORON
Reg. Mar 2006
Posted 2006-03-21 8:59 AM (#39191 - in reply to #34548)
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I had to jump in on this one.....Got a Kipor from www.AuroraGenerators.com Great product, great service. Its almost a Honda but at a fraction of the price.They carry a full line of replacement parts. I checked out other dealers buy asking for common parts before buying if they had them and I could buy them and Aurora Generators was the only Kipor dealer that stocked parts. As for 220 Volts, I don't see the same unit in Yamaha or Honda having 220. Also put my Kipor 3500Ti next to a Honda 3000 and you will sware that Kipor is a lot quieter. Don't take my word for it, do a search on RV forums and you will see what other have to say about it.I was thinking of the Yamaha but its 20 lbs more.
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