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equigal
Reg. Apr 2005
Posted 2005-06-27 9:52 AM (#27195)
Subject: How to stop a horse that "paws"


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Ok...here is a question for you folks...How do you stop a horse that paws...when-ever he is tied...I have had him tied in the stall + trailer...paws for hours....I have yelled at him and he stops (briefly) and tried the water pistol...from a distance...but not effective.(likes water)It's a rotten habit and a "toughy" to break.Any suggestions?( he pawed for 3 hours on the road in a trailer last week)
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Erin_CBT
Reg. Jun 2005
Posted 2005-06-27 9:56 AM (#27198 - in reply to #27195)
Subject: RE: How to stop a horse that "paws"


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This sounds really mean and I'm sure I will get clobbered from some of those animal rights activists out there, but I would try hobbles. Makes it hard/impossible to move front legs and paw. I've done it on my horses and it worked.
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MIfarmbabe
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2005-06-27 11:23 AM (#27203 - in reply to #27195)
Subject: RE: How to stop a horse that "paws"


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Hobbles aren't a bad thing at all. I had a horse that pawed the crap out of my trailer and in cross ties. Yelling and whacking doesnt' work either, just turns into a game for them. He drove me nuts. Nothing got him over that, maybe more training and time with him, which I didn't have, so I sold him. Looking back, I would have tried hobbles. I know some have suggested them for using in the trailer but be sure he is used to them BEFORE attempting in a trailer. Many trailriders use them.

Then there is always the shock collar method. Don't say NO WAY for a horse, we use them on dogs too.



Edited by MIfarmbabe 2005-06-27 11:25 AM
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packerpete
Reg. Mar 2004
Posted 2005-06-27 11:58 AM (#27206 - in reply to #27195)
Subject: RE: How to stop a horse that "paws"


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I would sure try hobbles before resorting to a shock collar. But you might also try clicker training as well.

My youngest mule pawed quite a bit when she was 2-4 years old then it gradually dissapated.. My personal belief is that hot (rich) feed and  forced inactivity inactivity compounds this "vice".

I will offer one bit of advice from personal experience: if you use hobbles when tied...tie them SHORT! I had a young mule that reared up with hobbles on and came down the lead rope...

But try working on rewarding them for standing still, by whatever methods your animal is motivated by...(treats, turning loose for a bit, click and treat, etc.)

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equigal
Reg. Apr 2005
Posted 2005-06-27 12:12 PM (#27211 - in reply to #27195)
Subject: How to stop a horse that "paws"


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It sounds as if the hobbles may be the answer....I am tieing him up in his stall right now......when I am cleaning stalls.I had thought about the "shock" collar also....of course it seems extreme, but, pawing can lead to ruined mats , trailer damage and if a horse rears...injury to the horse...So,The hobbles maybe the first method to try...I will let you know if they work!Also, this horse gets little grain and is not hot...he just lacks patience....and is imature....time to grow up big boy! ;-)This is no excuss for a rotten habit though...
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hav2ride
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2005-06-27 12:19 PM (#27213 - in reply to #27211)
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Don't forget to introduce the hobbles in a large safe environment.  I'd consider wrapping the legs under the hobbles first until he gets used to the confinement and stops struggling.
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Terri
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2005-06-27 12:33 PM (#27216 - in reply to #27211)
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My colt was like this.  He would dig holes where ever you tied him.  Didn't have to trim his front feet much, he wore them down.  I started tieing  him with his head up and wouldn't let him out until he quit.  It took him HOURS to stop the first few times and then he started catching on.  Now he will stand quietly most of the time.  He will still do it if there are horses acting excited around him.  But he is really improving with just a bit of practice. 
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packerpete
Reg. Mar 2004
Posted 2005-06-27 12:33 PM (#27217 - in reply to #27195)
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Here are some articles to read about hobbles, their uses, types and
training. I particularly liked the ring rope rope method in the second link, although I would use a larger diameter (soft cotton) myself.

http://www.usipp.com/gatefarm/hobbles_and_their_proper_uses.htm

http://www.gaitedhorses.net/Articles/Hobble/hobble.shtml

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huntseat
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2005-06-27 2:51 PM (#27233 - in reply to #27195)
Subject: RE: How to stop a horse that "paws"


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If he's a true butt-head about not getting his way, try the hobbles in an arena/large pen first.  That way when he throws his hissy fit he can fall on the ground and not into something.

Once he learns not to fight the hobble in the arena you can lead then ride another horse around the ring.  He'll get excited and throw another hissy but he'll learn to stand and hopefully you can break him of some of his herding behaviors.

Chances are when he's standing near lots of other horses he's fine.  Alone he's thinking they've left me for dead!

Hate to say if he's TB it might take longer to break the bad habit.

Repeat these steps until he stands tied like a perfect gentleman inside an arena where other horses are being worked.

Good luck and be consistant!

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hav2ride
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2005-06-27 6:01 PM (#27247 - in reply to #27233)
Subject: RE: How to stop a horse that "paws"


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"Hate to say if he's TB it might take longer to break the bad habit."

Ain't that the truth!! LOL

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equigal
Reg. Apr 2005
Posted 2005-06-28 7:27 AM (#27262 - in reply to #27195)
Subject: How to stop a horse that "paws"


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Hate to admit to it, but he is 1/2 TB.....But, I have had a lot of full QHs who have had personalities that cause me to question the mentality of the breed....<:o)Thanks for all the good advice....the hobbles might be just the thing to teach this "big boy" a little patience!
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ISHOM
Reg. Mar 2004
Posted 2005-06-29 6:04 AM (#27341 - in reply to #27195)
Subject: RE: How to stop a horse that "paws"


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I had one that would kick the trailer and if you just lightly tap the brakes...they have to put all four feet down.  Be VERY careful to just barely tap the brakes...barely.  He started figuring out that the ride was much more comfortable if he would just stand with his feet planted.

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equigal
Reg. Apr 2005
Posted 2005-06-29 7:33 AM (#27344 - in reply to #27195)
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Tried the " putting on the breaks " methods to make him put all 4 feet on the ground...didn't work...When he was delivered to me last fall, he was pawing as they pulled into the driveway, and it had been a 5 hr drive!So, I am shopping for hobbles...I think that they may be the answer.. (haven't located a "bark collar" yet..teeheeee)But, my gosh, I think that it has become a game with him....Anyway, will find a nice shadey tree and tie him up there for a few hours...We are in hunter/jumper/warmblood country so sometimes hard to find the true cowboymethod/sensible horseman stuff like hobbles.... ;-)Thanks very much for all the suggestions...I will try them ALL!!!
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hav2ride
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2005-06-29 7:44 AM (#27346 - in reply to #27344)
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Try catalogs like, Pards ot Cowboy Tack.
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equigal
Reg. Apr 2005
Posted 2005-07-06 9:26 AM (#27666 - in reply to #27195)
Subject: re: Update on horse that paws...


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OK folks,Here's where I am at....I was able to order some hobbles and they arrived the other day. Out to the barn I head and boy, I am a little nervous about this. I really didn't want my gelding injured... Just entered him in a futurity!!So, lead him out to my sand pen. I nervously put one hobble on and then waited to see what would happen. I had read the "how to get a horse used to hobbles " articles and decided that he was quite and sensible enough to try this.Well, he took one step forward, stepped on the dragging hobble and stopped. Looked at me and stood like a rock!.I lifted his foot off an proceeded to attached the hobble stap to the remaining leg...Well, nothing happened,. He just stood there and looked at me. I walked away from him, arround him, and behind him...he just stood there! ( For about 10 mins!) I unhobbled him and he got his treats (carrots).So, I will hobble him again, and perhaps lead another horse around him to see how he reacts...I really wondered what would happen..he is normally a very sensible quite guy..I think that the pawing is his way of reacting to a stressfull situation (like being in a trailer)So, I think that I am going to load him up and take a ride back there with him..to see if I can get him to relax!Thanks again for all the advice. I will continue to work with the hobbles and to take him on some short hauls, to see if I can "destress" him enough to not mess up the trailer mats!javascript:smilie('12','');12
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farmbabe
Reg. Nov 2003
Posted 2005-07-06 12:39 PM (#27685 - in reply to #27195)
Subject: RE: How to stop a horse that "paws"


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I am not too keen about riding with a horse in the trailer. he has to learn to behave himself by himself. By making the wrong thing uncomfortable ( like tapping breaks) he'll learn when he isn't pawing, he'll be ok.

Treats are another issue- again, he has to learn to be good ,not for a treat, but because life is better. After any training session, when the horse does what is being asked, stopping the session ,or relief from pressure, is the reward. So if you're working on the pawing thing, when he stops pawing, letting him is the reward. Let him paw all he wants but to go back to the stall or paddock, you must stop.( for example)

 

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equigal
Reg. Apr 2005
Posted 2005-07-06 2:15 PM (#27690 - in reply to #27195)
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Well, I have tried the "tapping the breaks method " with no effect. Also, the road that I have to haul on to get to the show grounds has about 20 miles of extremely winding road so a horse has to work hard to keep his balance...Even the twists in the road didn't stop him!So, next will try some short straight hauls and see what happens...I will also keep working with the hobbles and rewards....( not in the trailer though)
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huntseat
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2005-07-06 2:17 PM (#27691 - in reply to #27195)
Subject: RE: How to stop a horse that "paws"


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equigal, try just having him wear one end of the hobbles, like a bracelet in the trailer.  But be careful.  He hasn't had his fight with the hobbles yet...he might never but you never know.
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equigal
Reg. Apr 2005
Posted 2005-07-06 3:02 PM (#27695 - in reply to #27195)
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Well, I agree with the "tapping the breaks" method in some cases..But it didn't work for this guy...Also, the road that I was hauling on was very winding, and a horse has to constantly work to keep his balance...Even the twists in the road didn't stop him from pawing...LOL** he is an acrobat!So, I will probably do some short hauls(20 mins +)...and see what that accomplishes... I am usually on the road for 2-3 hrs to get to the show grounds, so maybe some short hauls will get him more accustomed to the whole" trailering issue"...and I will continue to work with the hobbles .
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Wild Bill
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2005-07-09 2:41 PM (#27844 - in reply to #27195)
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If I have a problem horse that likes to paw I will put a used shoe on thier
ankle, you have to bend them in so they won't fall off, it works for me. If they paw they will feel the shoe hitting them and they will quit.Just my 2 cents worth.
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Painted Horse
Reg. May 2005
Posted 2005-07-09 11:01 PM (#27856 - in reply to #27195)
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I second Wild Bill.  Old shoe on the ankle.

 

Or just put one hobble on while tied at the rail.  Put it on the foot he paws most with. When he paws the hobble will flop around and annoy him.  I just went through that with my 2 year old this spring.

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Terri
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2005-07-10 10:37 AM (#27865 - in reply to #27844)
Subject: RE: How to stop a horse that "paws"



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You don't have to bend the shoe.  A piece of string through the nail hole works and makes it easier to take off.
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equigal
Reg. Apr 2005
Posted 2005-07-11 8:50 AM (#27884 - in reply to #27195)
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equigal
Reg. Apr 2005
Posted 2005-07-11 9:03 AM (#27885 - in reply to #27195)
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Well, those are more good ideas that I may have to try..This horse has really gotten me beat. (almost)Loaded him into the trailer several times in last couple of days...he will stand quitely and eat until the trailer starts to move..Then he starts!I have used the hobbles several times now. He will stand quitely tied to a fence...and does well with/without hay.This seems to be a "moving" trailer issue...I had a friend drive my rig in slow circle aound my yard yesterday..when he started to paw, he was made a little uncomfortable...used a dressage whip on the knees.I have tried the quick breaking..doesn't work...bumpy ride, doesn't work. I don't want to use hobbles in the trailer..I feel that is not safe and I can't stay in the back with him cause it's not safe either...So, I think that it is time to get this rotten habit done. I will try the chain (shoe on the ankle perhaps..) It would be safer then hobbles....next, perhaps sell the horse???
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Terri
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2005-07-11 11:51 AM (#27895 - in reply to #27885)
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How often to you travel with him?  Maybe cars zipping by scare him and he paws because he's nervous?
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