2001 F350, manual transmission. Thinking about a exhaust brake. A friend suggested the PacBrake. any thoughts on the subject? I know little about them, but understand it would be a good addition for slowing things down, especially in the mountains. How does this work different than just down shifting?
Posted 2013-08-02 7:04 PM (#153767 - in reply to #153764) Subject: RE: exhaust brake Powerstroke manual trans
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With a manual trans you already have a second brake, just down shift watching your tach so you don't over rev your engine. Assuming your trailer brakes work good, your manual trans is back up or often in addition to on long downhill stretches A jake or exhaust brake really is not needed with manual trans, usually used with auto trans as auto trans has no holdback on down hill other than holding unit in a lower gear, which can be damaging to a trans if not careful.
Posted 2013-08-02 7:47 PM (#153768 - in reply to #153767) Subject: RE: exhaust brake Powerstroke manual trans
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Originally written by Saddleup on 2013-08-02 7:04 PM
With a manual trans you already have a second brake, just down shift watching your tach so you don't over rev your engine. Assuming your trailer brakes work good, your manual trans is back up or often in addition to on long downhill stretches A jake or exhaust brake really is not needed with manual trans, usually used with auto trans as auto trans has no holdback on down hill other than holding unit in a lower gear, which can be damaging to a trans if not careful.
Posted 2013-08-02 8:53 PM (#153775 - in reply to #153767) Subject: RE: exhaust brake Powerstroke manual trans
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Originally written by Saddleup on 2013-08-02 7:04 PM
With a manual trans you already have a second brake, just down shift watching your tach so you don't over rev your engine. Assuming your trailer brakes work good, your manual trans is back up or often in addition to on long downhill stretches A jake or exhaust brake really is not needed with manual trans, usually used with auto trans as auto trans has no holdback on down hill other than holding unit in a lower gear, which can be damaging to a trans if not careful.
So what do 18 wheelers have on them? Isn't a jake brake a type of exhaust brake? And we do have the Rocky mountains.... ;-) Even had a song written about them.
Posted 2013-08-02 9:07 PM (#153779 - in reply to #153764) Subject: RE: exhaust brake Powerstroke manual trans
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The majority of todays 18 wheelers have auto trans, and was referring to our friends in NC. not having the Rock Mountains, been to Texas and Eastern seaboard... lol
Posted 2013-08-02 10:21 PM (#153782 - in reply to #153764) Subject: RE: exhaust brake Powerstroke manual trans
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Saddleup;You may be mistaken. A diesel will not slow down when you take your foot off the fuel like a gas engine. It tends to kind of go into wheezy land. True, you get SOME slowing from a manual gear change, but an exhaust brake is probably one of the BEST things you can have for mountain driving. YES, I DO drive in the Sierras, which are even higher than the Rocky's in places. And just returned last week from the Southern Sierras in fact. Wonderful rides up there, and out of the normal 110 degree temps of home here.
Posted 2013-08-02 10:40 PM (#153783 - in reply to #153764) Subject: RE: exhaust brake Powerstroke manual trans
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Sorry I respectfully disagree, diesels will slow you down if you gear down according to your tach. I have owned and drivel diesels since 1990 and always towing a trailer with either horses or cattle on board. However I am glad everyone has their own opinion and respects the other. happy motoring.......
Posted 2013-08-03 1:45 PM (#153794 - in reply to #153786) Subject: RE: exhaust brake Powerstroke manual trans
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I have an exhaust brake on my C4500 that I can turn on and off. It considerable slows down the truck more when turned on. The whole point of a jake brake or exhaust brake is to restrict air flow. All engines are fancy air compressors, when you're not giving it fuel it is still pumping air. To increase engine braking, you restrict air flow, hence the exhaust brake.
As to the original question, if I were you I'd read over the forums on http://www.thedieselstop.com/ and see which after market exhaust brake those folks like.
Posted 2013-08-03 1:55 PM (#153795 - in reply to #153794) Subject: RE: exhaust brake Powerstroke manual trans
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Originally written by hornet on 2013-08-03 1:45 PM
I have an exhaust brake on my C4500 that I can turn on and off. It considerable slows down the truck more when turned on. The whole point of a jake brake or exhaust brake is to restrict air flow. All engines are fancy air compressors, when you're not giving it fuel it is still pumping air. To increase engine braking, you restrict air flow, hence the exhaust brake.As to the original question, if I were you I'd read over the forums on http://www.thedieselstop.com/ and see which after market exhaust brake those folks like.
Thanks. I had been reading those, and a couple other truck forums. Some have just done a modification to the EBPV, others install a system. I'm still reading, and trying to grasp and understand everything.
Posted 2013-08-03 8:45 PM (#153798 - in reply to #153764) Subject: RE: exhaust brake Powerstroke manual trans
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Saddleup ... In a comparison between a gasoline engine and a diesel ... The diesel has little engine braking with out some sort of restrictor. Here's an explanation copied from the net.
A gas engine has more engine braking than a comparable displacement diesel because at low throttle levels a gas engine is working against a closed throttle plate. A diesel has a wide open intake manifold without a throttle plate.
Think of a diesel piston and cylinder like an air cylinder. If you press the piston up to near TDC with the valves closed, it takes a lot of pressure, right? But guess what, after rotating beyond TDC all that compressed air now pushes down on the piston to accelerate it to BDC.
A gas engine will generate about 25" of vacuum with the throttle closed, so when the piston comes up to TDC, very little pressure is there to push the piston on the down stroke. Then, when it wants to pull in a fresh charge, the engine has to pull against the vacuum. All this consumes energy and creates what is termed "compression braking".
Of course, a diesel does produce some compression braking due to mechanical losses and heat generation, but a similar displacement gas engine will always generate more "compression" braking.
Posted 2013-08-03 8:46 PM (#153799 - in reply to #153795) Subject: RE: exhaust brake Powerstroke manual trans
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Originally written by trot-on on 2013-08-03 1:55 PM
Originally written by hornet on 2013-08-03 1:45 PM
I have an exhaust brake on my C4500 that I can turn on and off. It considerable slows down the truck more when turned on. The whole point of a jake brake or exhaust brake is to restrict air flow. All engines are fancy air compressors, when you're not giving it fuel it is still pumping air. To increase engine braking, you restrict air flow, hence the exhaust brake.As to the original question, if I were you I'd read over the forums on http://www.thedieselstop.com/ and see which after market exhaust brake those folks like.
Thanks. I had been reading those, and a couple other truck forums. Some have just done a modification to the EBPV, others install a system. I'm still reading, and trying to grasp and understand everything.
Posted 2013-08-03 9:11 PM (#153800 - in reply to #153764) Subject: RE: exhaust brake Powerstroke manual trans
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As I said a diesel will provide some braking using a manual trans, down shifting using your tach....... I still stand by it from 40 years of towing, I do appreciate your quotes from the net, however remember boys.......... they are selling jake and compression brakes, its the net they will tell you what they want you to hear...
However, I respect your take on it... please respect mine..
Posted 2013-08-03 9:51 PM (#153802 - in reply to #153764) Subject: RE: exhaust brake Powerstroke manual trans
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It is not a matter of respecting opinion or "take"
Logical explanations stand on their own. Trot-on can downshift a gasoline engine car and his diesel engine truck to experience inherent engine braking between the two.
Posted 2013-08-04 12:19 PM (#153807 - in reply to #153800) Subject: RE: exhaust brake Powerstroke manual trans
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Originally written by Saddleup on 2013-08-03 9:11 PM
As I said a diesel will provide some braking using a manual trans, down shifting using your tach....... I still stand by it from 40 years of towing, I do appreciate your quotes from the net, however remember boys.......... they are selling jake and compression brakes, its the net they will tell you what they want you to hear...
However, I respect your take on it... please respect mine..
tks
I don't think any one has called you names to disrespect you. You've stated your opinion no need to keep implying your right and everyone else is wrong. If anything that's disrespecting us. I'm not a boy.
Posted 2013-08-04 1:25 PM (#153809 - in reply to #153764) Subject: RE: exhaust brake Powerstroke manual trans
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I have a 2011 Ford with an integrated exhaust brake-- I have pulled a 39ft fifth wheel and our 34 ft Bloomer down some fairly steep grades-- I would never own another truck without this option.
Posted 2013-08-04 5:40 PM (#153812 - in reply to #153764) Subject: RE: exhaust brake Powerstroke manual trans
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Exhaust brake not needed with a manual trans???? Sorry but where I tow I use the exhaust brake every time I slow down or stop. Apparently you have never decended a 6-7 or 8% grade with 17.000# of trailer behind you. I am on my 5th diesel manual pickup for towing and every one of them has had a exhaust brake, my service brakes last well over 100,000 miles and the trailer brakes at least that long.
Posted 2013-08-04 7:44 PM (#153815 - in reply to #153812) Subject: RE: exhaust brake Powerstroke manual trans
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Originally written by gonzo1066 on 2013-08-04 5:40 PM
Exhaust brake not needed with a manual trans???? Sorry but where I tow I use the exhaust brake every time I slow down or stop. Apparently you have never decended a 6-7 or 8% grade with 17.000# of trailer behind you. I am on my 5th diesel manual pickup for towing and every one of them has had a exhaust brake, my service brakes last well over 100,000 miles and the trailer brakes at least that long.
So which one(s) do you like? Commercial install, or a DIY? And while I do down-shift my man.transmission on steep grades, because of my trucks gear ratio, I really feel I need to slow way down with brakes first before I down-shift. Assuming that is where the exhaust brake would really come in???
Posted 2013-08-04 8:51 PM (#153821 - in reply to #153764) Subject: RE: exhaust brake Powerstroke manual trans
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Here in PA, we don't have the Rockies, but we do have steep climbs and descents. 2 years ago, my husband added a Pac-brake brand exhaust brake to his 2001 Dodge with a manual transmission. He thinks it's great, one of the best things he's done to his truck. He put it on himself, and it cost about $1300.
Posted 2013-08-04 10:40 PM (#153823 - in reply to #153815) Subject: RE: exhaust brake Powerstroke manual trans
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Originally written by trot-on on 2013-08-04 5:44 PM
Originally written by gonzo1066 on 2013-08-04 5:40 PM
Exhaust brake not needed with a manual trans???? Sorry but where I tow I use the exhaust brake every time I slow down or stop. Apparently you have never decended a 6-7 or 8% grade with 17.000# of trailer behind you. I am on my 5th diesel manual pickup for towing and every one of them has had a exhaust brake, my service brakes last well over 100,000 miles and the trailer brakes at least that long.
So which one(s) do you like? Commercial install, or a DIY? And while I do down-shift my man.transmission on steep grades, because of my trucks gear ratio, I really feel I need to slow way down with brakes first before I down-shift. Assuming that is where the exhaust brake would really come in???
I have used the PacBrake on all of the trucks. The current PRXB is considered a "State of the art" with its exhaust bypass valve. The fact that PacBrake stands behind the product is the biggest thing for me as a mechanic. The brake will help your truck to slow the load so you can downshift easier without overreving the engine. It usually takes a bit of towing to get familiar with using the brake in the most effective way. After you have a ex brake you will wonder how you ever got along without one.
Posted 2013-08-05 1:27 AM (#153827 - in reply to #153800) Subject: RE: exhaust brake Powerstroke manual trans
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Originally written by Saddleup on 2013-08-03 9:11 PM
As I said a diesel will provide some braking using a manual trans, down shifting using your tach....... I still stand by it from 40 years of towing, I do appreciate your quotes from the net, however remember boys.......... they are selling jake and compression brakes, its the net they will tell you what they want you to hear...
However, I respect your take on it... please respect mine..
Posted 2013-08-05 10:44 AM (#153833 - in reply to #153764) Subject: RE: exhaust brake Powerstroke manual trans
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Originally written by trot-on on 2013-08-02 4:59 PM
2001 F350, manual transmission. Thinking about a exhaust brake. A friend suggested the PacBrake. any thoughts on the subject? I know little about them, but understand it would be a good addition for slowing things down, especially in the mountains. How does this work different than just down shifting?
Since your question was turned into a piss match, I will give you my opinion. YES, the PacBrake is one of the best aftermarket EB you can buy for this type of truck. And YES, I would rather use the PacBrake or any other type of EB long before I would use the tranny to slow me down!
Posted 2013-08-05 1:49 PM (#153839 - in reply to #153764) Subject: RE: exhaust brake Powerstroke manual trans
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Thanks y'all !! (and I can read thru the pissing matches and get the info I need.) I think I have a better understanding of them, and will look into it further