Posted 2011-02-02 8:55 PM (#129706) Subject: Sundowner model differences
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How does one tell the difference between different Sundowner models?
I`ve checked their website and all of the following are BP SL - Sportman, Sunlite 727, 730, 720, 725 and 710.
I read elsewhere in the forum that the 720 used a "uni-body" type design without a frame (similar to Jamco), while the early 727s are subject to frame corrosion.
So what are the differences in these models, and in particular how does one tell what model is which when looking at an older trailer? Thanks!
Posted 2011-02-03 7:37 AM (#129718 - in reply to #129706) Subject: RE: Sundowner model differences
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The sportman says budget consious so that means an entry level trailer for those that do not want to spend much money.
The first 7 usually means the width, 6'9" which is almost 7 feet, in a LQ the last number is the size of the shortwall in the LQ
Some have different amounts of extruded aluminim, 1 looks like a stock trailer, 1 had more bells and whistles, some of them allow for more options in stall width and trailer heigth. How else would they keep them seperate if not for changing the number?
Posted 2011-02-03 10:03 AM (#129724 - in reply to #129706) Subject: RE: Sundowner model differences
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Here goes............it's quite a list. Sundowner started building there all aluminum trailers in '89 with numbers of 700 (stock); 710 (slant load stock combo); 720 (slant load, most popular model); and the 725, (slant load smooth skinned that was totally lined and insulated, which was their most expensive model).
Than in '97 along came the steel framed models called the Valulite series. These models were built in both slant and straight load configurations, but were still all called Valuelites. They were a less expensive trailer than the trailers mentioned above, ALTHOUGH the seven hundred series trailers were still available in this time frame. In 2003 Sundowner made some modifications to the Valuelite models, such as Suncoating their frames, adding LED lights standard, and changing their door hinges to stainless steel. They than remamed these models with the word Sunlite, as the all aluminum models had been designated, such as Sunlite 720. The new numbering system to replace the Valuelite series, were slant load models were designated 727, which was the biggest seller. The straight load models was 707, 737, and 777. The head to head models added later in the gooseneck models were numbered as 747 and 767. These trailers were built until late in 07; when Sundowner made the decision to do away with all steel framed models, BUT keep the numbering system for those models; instead having all models built with aluminum frames.
With the NEW economy starting in '08, Sundowner as many other trailer manufacturers took a hard look at their line of products, and made the decision to come out with a line of more basic aluminum trailers. They brought back names used back in the 70's and 80's for their all steel trailers, such as Sportman, (which are slant load models); Charter (which are straight load models); Stockman (which are bumper pull stock and stock/combo models); Rancher, (which are gn stock and stock/combo models). These trailers were designed for the entry level ALUMINUM buyer, that wanted to buy the basic trailer and than add options to it, either when he orders the trailer or his dealer can add them at the dealership.
The Horizon models are the Sundowner new lineup of Living Quarters trailers. They can be purchased in different chassis models; which in turn would keep the horse area pretty basic or will come with more standard equipment, depending on what the buyer wants his trailer to do.
I hope this has explained many of the differences in Sundowner models. Please send me a PM if you need more information or further clarification.
Posted 2013-02-20 11:42 AM (#150038 - in reply to #129706) Subject: RE: Sundowner model differences
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Hey Jim Bob, what do you know about the problems with rust and the BP Valuelite trailers? I saw somewhere on this site there were issues with accellerated rust on the frames because of the Suncoat. What model years did that affect?
Posted 2013-02-20 2:07 PM (#150043 - in reply to #129706) Subject: RE: Sundowner model differences
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The first several years of the Valuelites were powder coated frames. Than along about 2003, S/D started undercoating the frames with a product, that I beleive was made in Canada. The only trailers that had rust issues were the ones in the midwest, northeast or some of the coastal areas, where salt or chloride was present on roads or in the air. Customer care had a lot to do with how well the frames held up. If trailers were washed after being used in the winter, they held up much better to the road salt results.
Posted 2013-02-21 9:50 AM (#150066 - in reply to #129706) Subject: RE: Sundowner model differences
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Customer care had very little to do with it. When the steel was not prepared properly the suncoat which was applied to all the va trailers, would crack away from the steel frame. This would allow the moisture/salt to stay trapped against the steel and continue to rust long after the fact. It stayed hidden in these areas and had no way to get away from the steel.
Posted 2013-02-21 1:56 PM (#150071 - in reply to #129706) Subject: RE: Sundowner model differences
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I found out what model my trailer is. Called the sundowner company, the lady there was very helpful. I gave her the vin number and she pulled the paperwork. Even sent me a copy of the title as it came from the factory, floor plan, extras in the trailer, etc. Its a 725, not the 720 as I thought. She was really helpful.
Posted 2013-02-22 8:31 AM (#150086 - in reply to #129706) Subject: RE: Sundowner model differences
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To clarify a potential terminology issue here- In 1999 Sundowner began using a product called Arma-Coat to line the inside of the horse area in their Valulite trailers. It was a regular style sprayed on bedliner just like in pick up trucks. The next year Sundowner was using the same product and it was known as SunCoat. This replaced the rubber wall lining that was common in trailers. In later years it became common to also line the aluminum floor in the horse area, thus 1 solid sheet from one wall to the other wall.
As the rust situation developed with the frames, traditional rubberized undercoating was applied to the bottom of trailers as an option about '01 or so. Within a year or so after that it became standard. The thought was to seal them from the elements much like is done with cars.
SunCoating has never been sprayed underneath a Sundowner trailer, but rather a rubberized undercoating has. These two products are noticeably different and have different functions.
Posted 2013-02-22 10:13 AM (#150088 - in reply to #129706) Subject: RE: Sundowner model differences
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There was nothing rubber about what was sprayed on the frame underneath the trailer. It was a hard plastic that would crack and seperate from the frame. Had probably 300 to 400 of these trailers go through our store so have had a lot of ear/but chewings about it since.
Posted 2013-02-22 12:01 PM (#150093 - in reply to #129706) Subject: RE: Sundowner model differences
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I believe what you saw cracking and peeling from the frame was the powdercoat. It has borne out that powdercoating has no flexibility once it is baked. So once the normal flexing of the frame occurs during use, the powder coating popped loose from the steel. The steel flexed- the powdercoating could not. Then moisture gets trapped inside. The construction industry has suffered through some of the same issues where powdercoated steel is not holding a finish like a painted surface will.
And yes- it was likely a very low grade undercoating that wasn't very rubbery, and not applied nearly thick enough.
Posted 2013-03-12 11:08 PM (#150543 - in reply to #129724) Subject: RE: Sundowner model differences
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Hey JB. You seem to know your Sundowners. I am currently in the market for a LQ and am seriously looking at two 04' Sierras. Can you share any info that will help me make the right decision?Thanks, Jeff
Posted 2013-03-19 12:07 AM (#150660 - in reply to #129706) Subject: RE: Sundowner model differences
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Hello
Can anyone tell me if they know whether this alum/steel; corrosion/erosion; floor/frame problem exsisted in the 2006 Sndowner 727 Sunlite (3 horse, GN) trailers?
Posted 2013-03-19 12:39 AM (#150661 - in reply to #129706) Subject: RE: Sundowner model differences
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Can anyone tell me if they know whether this alum/steel; corrosion/erosion; floor/frame problem existed in the 2006 Sundowner 727 Sunlite (3 horse, GN) trailers?
Posted 2013-03-19 10:08 AM (#150667 - in reply to #129706) Subject: Rusting Problems
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I am looking at a 1998 Sundowner Trailer 2 horse slant with weekend package. It is white exterior. It is in excellent condition, has been kept under a shed, etc. Is there reason for concern with rusting? I live in northeast MS hot and humid in summer, but milder than further south. Trailer will have limited use and will not be taken out of the area very far.
Posted 2013-03-19 12:44 PM (#150668 - in reply to #150667) Subject: RE: Rusting Problems
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Originally written by terrymcartwright on 2013-03-19 10:08 AM
I am looking at a 1998 Sundowner Trailer 2 horse slant with weekend package. It is white exterior. It is in excellent condition, has been kept under a shed, etc. Is there reason for concern with rusting? I live in northeast MS hot and humid in summer, but milder than further south. Trailer will have limited use and will not be taken out of the area very far.
It is 14 years old...... Just give it a thorough inspection as you would any older piece of equipment. If it is good to go- pull it. There are a great many out there that are just wonderful.
Posted 2013-03-20 10:00 PM (#150688 - in reply to #129706) Subject: RE: Sundowner model differences
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My Sundowner is a Sunlite with Siesta LQ, 8' wide, drops on head and butt, 1999 model but has the stainless nose seen on the 2000s--I was told it was built during the model year changeover. (aug 99) Anyway, I would swear the frame is powder coated steel. No rust on the frame but the jack stand has some. The sides are white on top and aluminum on the bottom. It was represented as top of the line for Sundowner when I bought it new at the Dixie Nationals trade show in Feb 2000. I can't figure out how it fits into the above assessment of Sundowner models, because it definitely says Sunlite, and does not look like the Valulite models I've seen.
Posted 2013-03-21 7:54 AM (#150692 - in reply to #129706) Subject: RE: Sundowner model differences
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3 For Luck- your trailer sounds like a 720. Wonderful trailer. The steel gooseneck and axle box are steel (as are most all trailers) and may need a little TLC, but the issues ascribed to the Valulite models do not apply to yours.
Posted 2013-03-21 9:07 PM (#150709 - in reply to #129706) Subject: RE: Sundowner model differences
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Thanks for the info. :-). I just noticed I've been a member here for nearly a decade, and only have 4 posts...if only I could be that "quiet" on BHW. Haha
Posted 2013-03-22 2:53 PM (#150735 - in reply to #129706) Subject: RE: Sundowner model differences
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If it is a 99 model that says Sunlite on the nose; that will be an aluminum framed trailer. The floor planks will run cross wise in the trailer, and not lengthwise. If you look under the trailer it will be all aluminum with the exception of the steel axle boxes. The last six of the VIN will say AA followed by 4 numbers.
The 99 steel framed S/D's will say Valuelite on the neck of the trailer. The last six of the VIN on a Valuelite will say either VA,VB, or VC followed by 4 numbers.
Posted 2013-03-23 5:45 PM (#150767 - in reply to #129706) Subject: RE: Sundowner model differences
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LA is also all aluminum. A quick way to tell on a drive by is if the gusset that supports the gooseneck, and connects to the main frame, is riveted to the frame it is a steel frame. If its welded its an all aluminum. You don't need to get close to see this.