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lilcashseeker
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2010-05-14 3:13 PM (#120158)
Subject: ??Gooseneck hauling - polling the masses..???



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How many of you hook your chains in the bed of your truck? and do you put the break wire around your ball?

Just wondering how many do this and don't..

I put this on the other forum.. but I want expert opinions from everyone.50
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retento
Reg. Aug 2004
Posted 2010-05-14 3:19 PM (#120159 - in reply to #120158)
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I hook the chains and attach the emergency brake cable to a seperate anchor point in the truck bed.

http://www.towingworld.com/articles/TowingLaws.htm

 

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hogtownboss
Reg. Sep 2008
Posted 2010-05-14 3:57 PM (#120165 - in reply to #120159)
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Originally written by retento on 2010-05-14 3:19 PM

I hook the chains and attach the emergency brake cable to a seperate anchor point in the truck bed.

Same here, since mine is a hauler bed I added another ring by where I hook my chains up to hook the brake wire too.  Not sure if its right or not, but I have my brake wire just a little shorter than my chains so if the trailer does come off the ball or ball breaks the brake wire will pull out and lock up before I get to the end of the chains.

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jarmstrong
Reg. Mar 2009
Posted 2010-05-14 5:04 PM (#120166 - in reply to #120158)
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I hook both chains and the breakaway cable to the hooks in the bed,and I also have cable slightly shorter than chain.I questioned the cable placement but could find nothing better.

                                Jerry

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gard
Reg. Aug 2007
Posted 2010-05-14 6:29 PM (#120169 - in reply to #120158)
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In our state chains are mandatory and expensive if you're caught without them. The safety wire should not be attached to the hitch. If it fails, you will have no "E" brakes.

Here's some previous discussions:

http://www.horsetrailerworld.com/forum/thread-view.asp?threadid=11962&start=1

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PaulChristenson
Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2010-05-14 9:56 PM (#120175 - in reply to #120159)
Subject: RE: ??Gooseneck hauling - polling the masses..???


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Originally written by retento on 2010-05-14 4:19 PM

I hook the chains and attach the emergency brake cable to a seperate anchor point in the truck bed.

http://www.towingworld.com/articles/TowingLaws.htm

 

Ditto that...
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Phoresic
Reg. May 2010
Posted 2010-05-14 10:35 PM (#120177 - in reply to #120158)
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 I read the other threads but I am confused about one thing.  On a gooseneck you attach the chains to the designated places on each side of the ball.  Do you not attach the emergency break away brake cable to one of those places?  Are you saying that you need a third anchor in the bed to attach that little cable to?

There is a lot of good information in those threads!

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crowleysridgegirl
Reg. Apr 2005
Posted 2010-05-14 11:30 PM (#120179 - in reply to #120177)
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It may not be right,but,my husband does the hooking up and he has always put the cable loop over the ball hitch.I don't know where else we'd hook it because we're not going to install a separate place just for that cable.Some wind it around through one of the chains but it still has to be hooked in a manner that it would be activated if pulled,and just winding it through one of the chains doesn't seem as if it would do that.

It's the law in this state, if you're pulling a trailer of a certain weight, to have an emergency breakaway kit on it.It's the law if you're pulling any type of trailer behind a truck,no matter what it is,there must be safety chains.

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jackbrat
Reg. Sep 2005
Posted 2010-05-15 1:18 AM (#120183 - in reply to #120158)
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Here in Cali, safety chains are the law as well. If you have the chains on wrong, you get a ticket. If you are pulling a BP or a tag-along trailer, the chains must be crossed. GN chains do not need to cross over each other. I attach the cable to the ring in the floor of the truck bed. The same ring that the chain attaches to. Do not attach the cable to the safety chain ring though. ( we had a CHP officer come and do a clinic on towing and the laws, etc. )And yes, he did say that he will pull someone over and ticket them if the chains are not crossed on a BP or tag-along.
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sinful
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2010-05-15 6:23 AM (#120185 - in reply to #120158)
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I always hook mine up too.  They are there for a reason, So I always use them.
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crowleysridgegirl
Reg. Apr 2005
Posted 2010-05-15 9:32 AM (#120189 - in reply to #120183)
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Originally written by jackbrat on 2010-05-15 1:18 AM

Here in Cali, safety chains are the law as well. If you have the chains on wrong, you get a ticket. If you are pulling a BP or a tag-along trailer, the chains must be crossed. GN chains do not need to cross over each other. I attach the cable to the ring in the floor of the truck bed. The same ring that the chain attaches to. Do not attach the cable to the safety chain ring though. ( we had a CHP officer come and do a clinic on towing and the laws, etc. )And yes, he did say that he will pull someone over and ticket them if the chains are not crossed on a BP or tag-along.

I know why they are crossed on a BP,but,has anybody ever had one come off the ball hitch loaded and had those crossed chains to hold it? I had one come off when I pulled up into our driveway which was on a small hill,but there was nothing in it.I think we all know those chains wouldn't do squat on a steel 3H trailer that was loaded.But,it's the law.That's why I've always had breakaway kits installed on my BP trailers if they did not come with one.

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Phoresic
Reg. May 2010
Posted 2010-05-15 10:07 AM (#120191 - in reply to #120158)
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Thanks jackbrat.

That's what I do and just wanted to make sure it was ok.  There are two rings sticking up through the truck bed, one on each side of the ball.  These are where I attach the chains and I attach the breakaway emergency brake cable to one of those and NOT to the chain itself. 

Thanks for clearing that up for me. 

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crowleysridgegirl
Reg. Apr 2005
Posted 2010-05-15 3:00 PM (#120195 - in reply to #120191)
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So,can we have some insight as to how you attach your breakaway cable to one of those loops? Because my cable itself has a loop on the end and you sure can't run the cable back through the loop.
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jackbrat
Reg. Sep 2005
Posted 2010-05-15 4:10 PM (#120196 - in reply to #120158)
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I use a carbiner type clip at the end of the cable loop and attach to the ring in the bed of the truck( same ring I attach trailer chain to. )
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jackbrat
Reg. Sep 2005
Posted 2010-05-15 4:12 PM (#120197 - in reply to #120158)
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sorry, didn't use spell-check!

Carabiner clip

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flyinghfarm
Reg. Mar 2004
Posted 2010-05-15 4:38 PM (#120198 - in reply to #120158)
Subject: RE: ??Gooseneck hauling - polling the masses..???


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We use the safety chains, snapped to two angled bars in the flatbed set up for them. We fasten the breakaway cable to the bar, using a similar snap as above. We also verify the breakaway brake battery is charged! Yes, have known of 2 times a bumper pull was cradled in the crossed safety chains. Once, I borrowed a trailer, and let them hook it up........my fault for not checking behind them. They did not fasten the collar "up" on the bulldog hitch, and it came off on a bridge at Hot Springs Arkansas. Was cradled on the safety chains and all was well. Another time, a friend pulled a trailer from Ohio to Arizona, as she pulled into the driveway at her destination, felt the trailer bumping at the rear. The ball was still in the hitch, but not being a solid ball, the cap of the shank had worn off and fallen out of the ball...safety chains saved the day there as well....both of these incidents occurred at slow speeds....
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To Much Trouble
Reg. Dec 2009
Posted 2010-05-15 5:23 PM (#120199 - in reply to #120158)
Subject: RE: ??Gooseneck hauling - polling the masses..???


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Yep..use both..I believe it is the law...and there are some heafty fine if you get stoppd and don't have them attached...  I for one do not understnad why you would not do this..?
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chadsalt
Reg. Nov 2004
Posted 2010-05-15 5:27 PM (#120200 - in reply to #120158)
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Grade 70 3/8" chain has a breaking strength of 26,400 lbs.  Two chains = 52,800 lbs of breaking strength, I would think that will hold anything that gets loose behind a pickup.

Attaching the BREAK AWAY cable to the same point as the safety chains is wrong, and usually illegal.  If the trailer has 'broken away' from the pickup, it's a fair assumption some or all of the hitch went with it meaning the pin will not be pulled...... 

 

To answer the question;  Yes I use the chains, yes they will hold.  No the break away cable does not go around the ball, or anywhere near the chains, it goes to a seperate anchor point.



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brushycreekranch
Reg. Jun 2006
Posted 2010-05-15 5:30 PM (#120201 - in reply to #120158)
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We use the chains on the eyebolts mounted on either side of the gn ball. We hook the breakaway up over to the side of the bed making sure it is shorter than the chains so the brakes are activated before the chains can grap hold.

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jakefreese
Reg. Nov 2009
Posted 2010-05-15 6:51 PM (#120203 - in reply to #120158)
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I hook the chains and the breakaway every time.
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crowleysridgegirl
Reg. Apr 2005
Posted 2010-05-15 9:43 PM (#120211 - in reply to #120200)
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To answer the question;  Yes I use the chains, yes they will hold.  No the break away cable does not go around the ball, or anywhere near the chains, it goes to a seperate anchor point.

Mine didn't.

Where?


Edited by crowleysridgegirl 2010-05-15 9:44 PM
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dkhunter04
Reg. Oct 2008
Posted 2010-05-17 7:59 AM (#120252 - in reply to #120158)
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Reading through all current and previous posts it appears that using a third anchor point for the EB cable is best.  What varies is the proper length of the EB cable.  Is is better to be longer or shorter then the safety chains?  Once the EB is engaged I don't see the advantage to having the trailer still connected to the truck as the trailer brakes will be fully engaged/locked.  A previous post about using the brake controller to slow the trailer AND truck while still connected by the safety chains will only work if the EB has not been activated.  While I hope to never experience this type of event I plan to install a third EB anchor point with the EB cable longer then the chains.
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gard
Reg. Aug 2007
Posted 2010-05-17 9:07 AM (#120263 - in reply to #120158)
Subject: RE: ??Gooseneck hauling - polling the masses..???


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The EB brake wire should be SHORTER than the chains. You want the brakes to engage before the trailer is hanging on the chains. Having the chains attached to your truck will enable you to guide it safely to a stop. Otherwise it is an unguided missile and can head in any direction. Do you want to see your horses head over the edge of the road, or slam head on into an oncoming vehicle filled with a family?

As previous posters have related, with the chains installed, they brought their trailers to a safe stop when they became unattached. Little damage occurred and no one was hurt. It would be a quite different scenario if the trailer were on its own at highway speeds.

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Phoresic
Reg. May 2010
Posted 2010-05-17 9:10 AM (#120264 - in reply to #120252)
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OK then, I'll check into other options for anchoring the be cable for the gn.   I have a B & W Turnover Ball hitch.  It's not obvious where that would be and it is odd that there isn't a separate anchor point provided.   I'm interested to hear the ideas on the relative length of the be cable as well.  Is it illegal in some states, then, to connect the be cable to the chain anchor point on a B & W Tunronever Ball hitch?

Thanks!

It's easy on a bumper pull to fasten the be cable to a third anchor point so it is never an issue there. 

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Phoresic
Reg. May 2010
Posted 2010-05-17 9:14 AM (#120265 - in reply to #120158)
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I wanted to add a question.  Is there a place to find this kind of law about pulling trailers in various states?  I've seen the sites that have the list of general trailer pulling laws, but this is a bit more specific than anything I've seen.  Thanks.

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