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gina_c
Reg. Nov 2009
Posted 2009-11-30 5:31 PM (#113769)
Subject: is this truck/trailer combo a good one?


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Truck: 2008 GMC 2500 heavy duty diesel, crew cab, 4wd
Trailer: 4-star, three-horse, living quarters (8-foot shortwall) 8'wide, 7'6" tall

look forward to hearing your opinions. some flat-land hauling but some good size hills too.

THX
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BlazingCreekBar
Reg. Nov 2008
Posted 2009-11-30 5:47 PM (#113771 - in reply to #113769)
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I see no issues. Your truck has plenty of engine your only missing the stability of the dually. However GMC makes a strong diesel well built in my opinion. If you can at least test the weights by hooking up to see how your truck sits with the weight of the trailer. You should be good. A set of Timbrens can cure any over sag you my experience. But I don't suspect your truck will give you any issues. It will be a sharp looking rig.
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horsecamper
Reg. Sep 2008
Posted 2009-11-30 6:01 PM (#113773 - in reply to #113769)
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Gina,  Go for it.  I have basically the same truck, but a 2001 version and I have no problem with a trailer that size.  If you don't already have one of those inertial brake controllers, like the Prodigy, a purchase of one would probably make for happier towing, also, good tow mirrors and I second either the Timrens or air bags.  I have the air bags.  The brake controller, mirrors, and air bags just make towing an LQ easier and safer, especially if you are going to the 8 wide.
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gina_c
Reg. Nov 2009
Posted 2009-11-30 9:17 PM (#113782 - in reply to #113769)
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thanks for your answers so far.

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Paul D
Reg. Oct 2009
Posted 2009-11-30 10:33 PM (#113788 - in reply to #113769)
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So far no one has mentioned that the fuel mileage with the newer diesels is very poor. That is the only negative I can see with the truck and all of the mfg's are in the same boat in my opinion. At this time none of us has any options but to live with the poor mileage until they get rid of the DPF exhaust setup.

Good Luck, Paul

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hogtownboss
Reg. Sep 2008
Posted 2009-11-30 10:48 PM (#113790 - in reply to #113788)
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Originally written by Paul D on 2009-11-30 10:33 PM

So far no one has mentioned that the fuel mileage with the newer diesels is very poor. That is the only negative I can see with the truck and all of the mfg's are in the same boat in my opinion. At this time none of us has any options but to live with the poor mileage until they get rid of the DPF exhaust setup.

Good Luck, Paul

So far the GM guys haven't had it near as bad as Ford and Dodge with poor mileage.  But I do agree with the DPF crap.   Mine fell off of my Dodge with 20-k miles and has been GREAT!  More power and better fuel mileage!

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gina_c
Reg. Nov 2009
Posted 2009-11-30 10:59 PM (#113791 - in reply to #113790)
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this particular truck gets 19 on the highway.
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brokenboot
Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2009-12-01 7:29 AM (#113795 - in reply to #113769)
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" ... I do agree with the DPF crap. Mine fell off of my Dodge with 20-k miles and has been GREAT! More power and better fuel mileage!"

Hogtownboss - Will the DPF crap fall off of trucks owned by those with average mechanical skills or does it take some advanced mechanical knowledge? After the crap falls off, are there other parts that have to be added on to replace it? What kind of mileage performance have you experienced?
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hogtownboss
Reg. Sep 2008
Posted 2009-12-01 9:50 AM (#113801 - in reply to #113795)
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Originally written by brokenboot on 2009-12-01 7:29 AM

" ... I do agree with the DPF crap. Mine fell off of my Dodge with 20-k miles and has been GREAT! More power and better fuel mileage!" Hogtownboss - Will the DPF crap fall off of trucks owned by those with average mechanical skills or does it take some advanced mechanical knowledge? After the crap falls off, are there other parts that have to be added on to replace it? What kind of mileage performance have you experienced?

The kit I bought is from H&S Performance.  It comes with a delete pipe and programmer to reset the factory computer so there will be no codes or check engine lights.  They have since updated to a plug in moniter that looks like a GPS unit.  It installs with simple hand tools, the first time it took me and a buddy just about 2 hours to do with the longest part being to first download of the program.  Since then and now I know what I am doing it takes us about an 30 mins to uninstall everything to make it dealer friendly and about an hour to reinstall the stuff.

At first I really did not want to power, just the fuel mileage, so I played with it a few weeks and on MY truck and MY driving habbits I have found that the 120hp setting offers the best fuel mileage and super power improvements and now I tow our Sundowner without having to use the tow/haul mode. 

Again depending on driving habbits, on my truck with me driving I am now getting 17 to 18 all day long unloaded and around 14 to 15 loaded compaired to around 14 unloaded and 9.6 this last weekend loaded......  As far as performance, I did use the 175hp setting 1 time just to try it out and I have never had a truck with dual wheels that was 9-k lbs smoke the tires and get sideways in the road before!  Not only the performance was upgraded the exhaust brake seem to work better or at least it sounds better......

Something I just found out on the Dodge trucks is they was having an issue witha p2262 code (no boost detected) and they was blaming the turbo for the problem.  Its is not, it is a faulty vent tube on the fuel tanks causing the lift pump to suck in any dirt into the fuel system that is around the vent hose.  Then going into the intire fuel system incluidng the turbo and egr system which is causing the codes.  Dodge told me they will not sned out a recall becuase of the amount of money it cost to fix the problem, they are doing it on a "have too bases" only!

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genebob
Reg. Nov 2007
Posted 2009-12-01 11:25 AM (#113805 - in reply to #113769)
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The only potential problem that I see is if the truck is a short box (6.5'). Your rear window is in jeopardy on tight turns (more than 45 degrees) with your 8' wide trailer. Look into the extender hitches by popup. I just decided to get the 8' box and made life more simple.

Good luck!

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Holy350
Reg. Sep 2009
Posted 2009-12-01 3:50 PM (#113812 - in reply to #113769)
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Ive never heard of someone putting a 5th wheel in a short bed pickup?  Seems like that would be a idiotic thing to do.
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laurie
Reg. Jun 2004
Posted 2009-12-01 4:12 PM (#113815 - in reply to #113812)
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Originally written by Holy350 on 2009-12-01 3:50 PM

Ive never heard of someone putting a 5th wheel in a short bed pickup?  Seems like that would be a idiotic thing to do.

Every crew cab I have owned has been a short bed. Don't see long beds on the lots here. All mine have had a "gooseneck hitch" not come even close to the rear window when turning.

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Tresvolte
Reg. Feb 2008
Posted 2009-12-01 4:17 PM (#113817 - in reply to #113815)
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Originally written by laurie on 2009-12-01 4:12 PM

Every crew cab I have owned has been a short bed. Don't see long beds on the lots here. All mine have had a "gooseneck hitch" not come even close to the rear window when turning.

Depends on the brand of trailer, type of nose, and width of trailer. When Dodge came out with the mega cab, I went to a team roping where there were two of them less than a month old and both had been hit.

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Tresvolte
Reg. Feb 2008
Posted 2009-12-01 4:20 PM (#113819 - in reply to #113805)
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gina_c
Reg. Nov 2009
Posted 2009-12-01 4:32 PM (#113820 - in reply to #113805)
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Originally written by genebob on 2009-12-01 12:25 PM

The only potential problem that I see is if the truck is a short box (6.5'). Your rear window is in jeopardy on tight turns (more than 45 degrees) with your 8' wide trailer. Look into the extender hitches by popup. I just decided to get the 8' box and made life more simple.

Good luck!



thank you - it is a 6.5' box, but i have been told (but will need to verify for myself) that the extender hitch will solve the potential problem from turning.

are they a big deal to install?

I need a shoe horn to squeeze my truck into my garage as it is so the long box was not an option.
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horsecamper
Reg. Sep 2008
Posted 2009-12-01 4:38 PM (#113821 - in reply to #113769)
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I have both a 7 wide (6.5 at the nose) and an 8 wide (7.5 at the nose) and pull with a long bed.  Even with the long bed, I notice that I need to be much more careful with the 8 wide.  I too have seen somebody pop out the window on a short bed, and that wasn't even with an 8 wide.  
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gina_c
Reg. Nov 2009
Posted 2009-12-01 4:39 PM (#113822 - in reply to #113773)
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Originally written by horsecamper on 2009-11-30 7:01 PM

Gina,  Go for it.  I have basically the same truck, but a 2001 version and I have no problem with a trailer that size.  If you don't already have one of those inertial brake controllers, like the Prodigy, a purchase of one would probably make for happier towing, also, good tow mirrors and I second either the Timrens or air bags.  I have the air bags.  The brake controller, mirrors, and air bags just make towing an LQ easier and safer, especially if you are going to the 8 wide.


horsecamper - is yours a short box or a long box? if short, i would like to hear your experiences with turning your trailer. OOPS - i see you just posted! nevermind.

I looked in to the inertia brake controllers last night - looks like a good thing to have - thx for the tip.

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gina_c
Reg. Nov 2009
Posted 2009-12-01 4:42 PM (#113823 - in reply to #113821)
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but don't people stop before busting out the window? I mean, can't you see it's happening?
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hogtownboss
Reg. Sep 2008
Posted 2009-12-01 4:42 PM (#113824 - in reply to #113769)
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Really a simple thing to install.  If the truck has a B&W hitch in the bed that company offer a couple of different offset gooseneck balls that work great.  Other wise you will have to locate the offset hitch that mounts in the trailer tube.  Both are easy and can been done!
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hogtownboss
Reg. Sep 2008
Posted 2009-12-01 4:45 PM (#113825 - in reply to #113823)
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Originally written by gina_c on 2009-12-01 4:42 PM

but don't people stop before busting out the window? I mean, can't you see it's happening?

 

NOPE, most of the time if you are thinking about it then you look the other way and BAM it's too late!  Most of the time this only happens when backing up in a parking place trying to turn.



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Tresvolte
Reg. Feb 2008
Posted 2009-12-01 4:50 PM (#113826 - in reply to #113769)
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I agree with HTB. Most of the time it happens without them ever thinking about it. I would probably recommend using both the extende coupler on the trailer and the extended hitch on the B & W. Both are easy and and in my mind, the more clearance the better.

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gina_c
Reg. Nov 2009
Posted 2009-12-01 4:53 PM (#113828 - in reply to #113826)
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Originally written by Tresvolte on 2009-12-01 5:50 PM

I agree with HTB. Most of the time it happens without them ever thinking about it. I would probably recommend using both the extende coupler on the trailer and the extended hitch on the B & W. Both are easy and and in my mind, the more clearance the better.



So there's an extended coupler for the trailer too ... what is that like exactly ($$$)?
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mingiz
Reg. Jul 2004
Posted 2009-12-01 5:15 PM (#113829 - in reply to #113769)
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My truck is a short bed and I bought the SB1 coupler for the LQ  trailer. It sets the trailer back about 9inches. Makes a world of difference in clearence for turning. But doesn't affect the overall towing.

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  • More trailer swing.

  • Easier hook-up.

  • Fits standard trailer coupler tubes. 

  • Self-latching GN8 2-5/16" "V-19" 28,000 lb. rated coupler.

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  • 24,000 lbs. Gross Trailer Weight.

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  • Includes coupler release cable and hardware.

  • 100% complete.

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    BlazingCreekBar
    Reg. Nov 2008
    Posted 2009-12-01 5:25 PM (#113830 - in reply to #113769)
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    I have a SB dually and a B&W turnover hitch. There is Absolutely NO issues with clearance and turning. I even purchased the drop back ball (120 bucks+) used it once and threw it down cellar. It is amazing how much you can upset the weight capacity by moving your load 4 inches back from where it is intended to be. I said it before and I will say it again if anyone wants the set back I have, they can make me an offer. We do not have a square nose trailer Our Sooner is slightly tapered. I still do not see an issue, I am always watching when bending the truck and trailer.
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    Paul D
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    Posted 2009-12-01 7:29 PM (#113834 - in reply to #113828)
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    Don't get to worried about the short bed. I used to deliver RV trailers out of northern IN and quite a few drivers had short beds. And believe it or not they usually got just a little better fuel mileage pulling a fifth wheel trailer than those of us with a long bed. The only explanation for this seemed to be that the trailer was closer to the truck cab and that provided better aerodynamics which equals better fuel mileage. I have seen wrecks with both short bed and long beds where the trailer gets into the truck cab or truck bed, just be cautious with the turns and see how you get along before you spend any money on a hitch extender you might not need.

    Paul

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