Posted 2009-07-04 9:24 AM (#107508) Subject: unique trailer lock
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In the horse trailer news section....under the title of "unique trailer lock" is an opinion of the unique trailer lock. Seems like many views....any opinions on this type trailer lock? Ken
Posted 2009-07-08 11:16 AM (#107685 - in reply to #107508) Subject: RE: unique trailer lock
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The question was not on how unique the trailer lock is....the U.S.Patent answers that question. The question is.... Do you have an opinion on the trailer lock? Ken
Posted 2009-07-08 5:38 PM (#107707 - in reply to #107508) Subject: RE: unique trailer lock
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That was the information I was looking for. I had no idea that most horse trailers were Gooseneck.... either King Pin or 2 5/16" trailer ball...type pulling arrangements.When I get the U.S. Patent Office notification of my Gooseneck trailer ball Patent versus my already Patented DaKing trailer lock... I will be then asking for your opinions. It is no easy matter asking questions when you have no idea what is being used in a different industry. You always know when you ask funny questions ...you can hear the laughing...but when no one speaks...you learn nothing. Thank you for the heads up...helpful...Ken
Posted 2009-07-16 6:38 PM (#108141 - in reply to #107508) Subject: RE: unique trailer lock
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Does not seem unique enough for those who do have Bulldog trailer hitches. I suspect from many who write from all over the USA on my website....that most have no idea what type trailer hitch they already have...how do I change that? A person has a trailer.... wants to protect the trailer from theft...wants a very good trailer lock but does not know enough to know what to look for.... every trailer hitch has information stamped into the metal of each hitch regulated by law...maybe I need to have a cross reference from factory number to GusHill Industries trailer lock model...have any thoughts? ? ? Ken
Posted 2009-07-17 4:59 PM (#108190 - in reply to #107508) Subject: RE: unique trailer lock
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Everything can be removed...even if the trailer has no tires and no hitch.........and I have seen that happen right here where I live. A monster generator....Cat Powered 150 KW generator was jacked up...tires and wheels removed...then lowered down on to railroad ties. Then the entire hitch was removed....no lock...no hitch. Sheriff said they just backed up another trailer ...used a winch and pulled the generator onto the other trailer. When they drove away is when they tore lose the electric cables running to the pumps in the canal.I appreciate the opinions...Thank you....Ken
Posted 2009-07-17 6:31 PM (#108192 - in reply to #107508) Subject: RE: unique trailer lock
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Most....that was the key word.. so you could be right. I have sold trailer locks to 3 individuals who had their horse trailers stolen.2 bought trailer locks after the trailer was stolen once. The other individual had his horse trailers stolen twice...then bought my trailer lock plus bought a logging cable and a huge padlock to secure the trailer from being moved. So in short maybe not most because statistics are not carried by anyone anywhere on types of trailers being stolen...I only know what I have been told by individuals who buy my trailer locks. I believe that 2 forms of locks are needed on a trailer to prevent trailer theft...something on 1 wheel will not stop or even slow down the trailer from being moved....just hook up and drive away...something will give for sure...most likely the wheel lock but you may have to put 2 wheel locks on or a combination of locks like one on the hitch and one on the wheel. In general trailer theft has gone up almost double...each year... for the last 8 years. But no one knows what types of trailers are being stolen and when you ask the big freight haulers like Yellow Freight....they only turn in the big money losers when stolen. So the dollar amounts you read about...40 BILLION in 2006 is only part of the problem...no one actually knows. I've talked with insurance companies..they release nothing and cannot be assured that any customer will use a trailer lock every time...so no incentive for them to give any break in insurance prices at any level.Trailer theft is much bigger than MOST people think and the ones who actually know are like me....had it happen and when you fill out the report and you get told...murders and robberies and car wrecks and many other crimes have a much higher priority....well for me I intended to do something about it...still trying.Ken
Posted 2009-07-18 12:54 AM (#108198 - in reply to #107508) Subject: RE: unique trailer lock
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My own personal opinion is the insurance on my Sundowner is just over $400 per year full coverage with a replacement value set at $50-k plus all of our saddles and tack listed on an additional policy with pictures and numbers recorded.
Most items stolen around here is because the owners have the thinking that "it will never happen to me" and leave there trailers open or unlocked at the local show and some with trucks still hooked up with keys either in the truck or keys left in the door lock on the trailer. Should just have a sign saying please take me my owner is a dumb a**!
Yes having your trailer stole from you is a bad felling, it does not matter what locking device you install or use if they want it bad enough they will get it! Our 05 Dodge dually was taken from a detail shop 2 years ago with a alarm system and blocked in with another car. They got the truck started and backed into the other car enough times to get it moved and totaled out the other car along the way.
Posted 2009-07-18 10:01 AM (#108205 - in reply to #107508) Subject: RE: unique trailer lock
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I just noticed you are in Texas...in the USA I sell more trailer locks to Texas people than almost any other 2 states combined.Texas is probably equal to the locks I sell in Canada.Canada is huge...Texas is very big....have any thoughts why Texas is so high on trailer theft?I ask those questions because no one actually knows...but someone may have an idea. I live in California and here I sell next to nothing...maybe 20 a year. Very hard to figure out what the whole picture is like...besides just trailer theft...Thanks for your inputKen
Posted 2009-07-18 11:40 AM (#108206 - in reply to #108205) Subject: RE: unique trailer lock
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Originally written by ken@gushill.com on 2009-07-18 7:01 AM
I just noticed you are in Texas...in the USA I sell more trailer locks to Texas people than almost any other 2 states combined.Texas is probably equal to the locks I sell in Canada.Canada is huge...Texas is very big....have any thoughts why Texas is so high on trailer theft?I ask those questions because no one actually knows...but someone may have an idea. I live in California and here I sell next to nothing...maybe 20 a year. Very hard to figure out what the whole picture is like...besides just trailer theft...Thanks for your inputKen
Texas is a state that allows lethal force to protect property. A trailer lock makes for a stationary target!
Posted 2009-07-18 10:57 PM (#108229 - in reply to #107508) Subject: RE: unique trailer lock
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I have been directed to a site that does very unusual tests.The site name... www.theboxotruth.com we will all see, if they accept the challenge, how my trailer locks will hold up under direct fire.Very neat feeling when you get some help...direction...input and maybe some testing.......we will all see. Hopefully Don excepts the challenge....Ken
Posted 2009-07-20 6:50 PM (#108283 - in reply to #107508) Subject: RE: unique trailer lock
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I had hoped that Don at www.theboxotruth.com would except the challenge of shooting my lock with whatever he wanted to shoot it with. It does not appear that it is going to happen. Don said he believes that no pistol round would do it and it would take a large caliber rifle w/ armor round...but may also destroy the actual hitch in addition to the trailer lock. He sees no point in making such a test.This was a test suggested to me by individuals in a private message. Tests are great...opinions are welcome...ideas are wanted... if the product fails in testing changes need to be made...it is the reason I am here...what would I learn if I was in a medical forum asking questions or receiving feedback if my questions were about trailer locks....very little in my mind unless the people in the medical forum pulled trailers....Ken
Posted 2009-07-20 9:57 PM (#108289 - in reply to #107508) Subject: RE: unique trailer lock
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I do not know if this is possible but if you really want to test your lock find some body that could steal your trailer from you if your lock is on it. no set up time just put the lock on and tell them to take you trailer when they feel they can get away with it.
Posted 2009-07-23 6:19 PM (#108442 - in reply to #107508) Subject: RE: unique trailer lock
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I originally had a trailer..chained it to tree and sure enough someone got it by cutting the chain. That whole event is what got me doing what I do now. But where I live is a problem in finding someone to try that now....more people in the local prison than ANY town or city in the entire county. Putting an ad in the local paper does not appeal to me just because I have no idea who is coming or going because of the prison and many more coming and going because of the Casino.....a lot of unusual traffic coming into this county from who knows where. Just testing seems to be a problem....Ken
Posted 2009-07-24 12:20 AM (#108465 - in reply to #107508) Subject: RE: unique trailer lock
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All you need is a receiver with a 2 or three inch drop WITHOUT a ball and add a couple of steel bars welded on at a 45 degree angle so it looks like a Vee facing the rear of the truck...you then back under the blocked off ball tighten down the safety chains raise the support and you are gone...after you have left the area you can then wrap some wire rope around the hitch and the trailer's hitch and you can now travel at highway speeds...
REPO MEN have recovered trailers with a similar rig for years...
Posted 2009-07-24 6:45 AM (#108473 - in reply to #108205) Subject: RE: unique trailer lock
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Texas sells more anti-theft and protective devices because Texas sits right on the border of Mexico.. Do you have any idea how much crap is stolen and run across the border into Mexico, never to be seen again?.. What honest law enforcement officers there are in Mexico will not even bother to look for stolen items..Your stolen stuff is gone, gone, gone...We live just a couple of hours drive from the border.. Many times your stuff has already made across the Rio Grande before you even discover it's gone.. One person had their car stolen that had OnStar.. They of course called onstar who started tracking the vehicle while law enforcement agents attempted to catch up to it.. Couldn't see it anywhere even tho OnStar said that they were right near it.. The theives had it loaded in a semi hauling a$$ to Mexico... That was one of the few lucky recoveries..
Posted 2009-07-24 9:20 AM (#108478 - in reply to #107508) Subject: RE: unique trailer lock
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Thank you people so much....without this kind of information I just wonder rather than know....now that I know a new direction will be formed.....hopefully..... but at least I have different thoughts. Ken
Posted 2009-07-24 9:51 AM (#108485 - in reply to #107508) Subject: RE: unique trailer lock
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what I ment about testing your lock was hire a person to steal you trailer they get payed when they bring your lock to you . put the trailer some place other them your yard just trying to help
Posted 2009-07-24 10:49 PM (#108520 - in reply to #108442) Subject: RE: unique trailer lock
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Originally written by ken@gushill.com on 2009-07-23 7:19 PM
I originally had a trailer..chained it to tree and sure enough someone got it by cutting the chain. That whole event is what got me doing what I do now. But where I live is a problem in finding someone to try that now....more people in the local prison than ANY town or city in the entire county. Putting an ad in the local paper does not appeal to me just because I have no idea who is coming or going because of the prison and many more coming and going because of the Casino.....a lot of unusual traffic coming into this county from who knows where. Just testing seems to be a problem....Ken
Find a local REPO company and offer the deal to them...they will test your product...
Posted 2009-07-27 2:25 PM (#108608 - in reply to #107508) Subject: RE: unique trailer lock
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No such company within 60 miles of me...in any direction. Would be thrilled to have someone who knows of such a company have them do a test. I know what I know ( not much ) that any test I do is treated with great despair...no confidence...many additional questions other than the facts that I would present....have had it happen.I would supply a trailer lock no charge to anyone who wanted to have anyone do the test.......Ken
Posted 2009-07-30 8:57 AM (#108762 - in reply to #107508) Subject: RE: unique trailer lock
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Just for the knowledge...I have reread what everyone has been saying. It appears that it is OK to not do anything because no matter what is done someone is going to come along at some point in time and take your trailer. The only part I failed to understand is how ALL thieves know the same operations in stealing trailers. Thank you for the input....learning process going on....Ken
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