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brew26
Reg. May 2009
Posted 2009-06-22 4:08 PM (#106838)
Subject: Safety Chain Expierence


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I've lived on a ranch and went to rodeos my whole life and I haven't ever used a safety chain.  And I've put on plenty of miles so don't get the idea that I haven't drove my fair share of miles(almost 10,000 since the middle of march just to rodeos and ropings). 

I've travled with countless people and we all kind of thought the same the last thing I/we want is to be  going down the interstate or going through the mountains is to be connected to a trailer that comes unhooked at 70-75mph.  And I know you get a fine for not using them but I"ve pulled over a few times with trailer on and never had the cop even say anything(knock on wood).  So what I was wondering is who has this kind of expierence with a trailer coming unhooked or how many people actually use thier chains while driving with a trailer.   

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gard
Reg. Aug 2007
Posted 2009-06-22 4:24 PM (#106841 - in reply to #106838)
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I had a coupler fail on a boat trailer. The tongue sat down on the chains and I didn't notice anything until I hit the brakes. The tongue struck the bumper, jolting the car, and I then realized I had a problem.

In Pittsburgh, a contractor was pulling a wood chipper with no chains behind a dump truck. The pintle broke loose on a curve, the truck turned, the chipper didn't. A family of three were killed when the chipper plowed into the van.

I strongly believe in safety chains and always use them. I don't want to be responsible for setting loose a missile at any speed, that might endanger the lives of innocent people. My boat, trailer and car were able to stop safely and without incident. What damage would that trailer and boat have done, if it had struck something or somebody at speed?

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Gone
Reg. May 2005
Posted 2009-06-22 4:25 PM (#106842 - in reply to #106838)
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I know some that do and some that don't. The one's that don't state the same reasons you state.....If she goes, she's not taking me with her. On the other hand, if you come unhooked there might be a chance, after your bed and cab get mashed, of you slowing it down enough without causing any harm to others on the road, and hopefully you as well. It's kind of a touchy subject...I think at 70 mph, the chains may or may not stay intact.  

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hogtownboss
Reg. Sep 2008
Posted 2009-06-22 4:41 PM (#106847 - in reply to #106838)
Subject: RE: Safety Chain Expierence


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That is the second thing I do when I back under my trailer, lower the trailer fisrt, hook the chains/brake second, latch the trailer 3rd, hook up power cable and light plug last!  Same routine everytime with all 3 trailers.  Even got the better half into the same routine!

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retento
Reg. Aug 2004
Posted 2009-06-22 5:11 PM (#106850 - in reply to #106847)
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Originally written by hogtownboss on 2009-06-22 5:41 PM

That is the second thing I do when I back under my trailer, lower the trailer fisrt, hook the chains/brake second, latch the trailer 3rd, hook up power cable and light plug last!  Same routine everytime with all 3 trailers.  Even got the better half into the same routine!

 

Same thing here.

Moved the flatbed with 140 bales of hay last week about quarter of a mile up the farm path, never crossed or got onto a public roadway.... Just lowered the trailer onto the ball and eased to the other shelter..... No chains, no latches, no lights, no brakes, never got more than 5-10 mph and something about even doing that didn't seem right. I had to make myself not hook up all the "safety stuff", just have gotten into the habit of hooking it all up everytime. Those chains are there for a reason.....

 

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HWBar
Reg. Nov 2005
Posted 2009-06-22 5:22 PM (#106852 - in reply to #106838)
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I would never pull a "Bumper Pull" trailer without the safety chains. As most of them are balanced to provide as little tounge weight as possible. With that said I have never hooked the safety chains on any goosenecks, the pin weight is heavy enough that it is not needed. I have moved them around the house here by lowering them down onto a spare tire on the back of the bed. If they were so important don't you think they would be required in all 50 states? Semi's also? My fifth wheel travel trailer is more balanced and it doesn't require them? So I just don't get it I guess. 

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Rodeo 4 Life
Reg. Oct 2008
Posted 2009-06-22 5:28 PM (#106854 - in reply to #106838)
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Your truck, your trailer, your responsibility... If this type of accident is going to happen, it shouldn't smash into the Cleavers out on a Sunday drive. Nobody "wants" to be attached to that kind of mess, but it has become your mess. Use the chains...

 



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brew26
Reg. May 2009
Posted 2009-06-22 5:32 PM (#106855 - in reply to #106838)
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I just don't think those chains are going to hold a 28ft trailer with a 12ft living quarters.  And if it does hold whats going to happen to the back end of your pickup.  Thats alot of weight to hit those chains at 70mph. 
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barrelhorses
Reg. Feb 2009
Posted 2009-06-22 6:13 PM (#106860 - in reply to #106855)
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If the chains fail and innocent people still die, at least you will have not have to answer that "what if?" question that would haunt you all the days of your life.  I think the chains will hold more and longer than you might expect.  The truck and trailer are generally traveling the same direction so there would not be an immediate snap applied to the chains.

 

Originally written by brew26 on 2009-06-22 6:32 PM

I just don't think those chains are going to hold a 28ft trailer with a 12ft living quarters.  And if it does hold whats going to happen to the back end of your pickup.  Thats alot of weight to hit those chains at 70mph. 

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chadsalt
Reg. Nov 2004
Posted 2009-06-22 6:58 PM (#106862 - in reply to #106855)
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Originally written by brew26 on 2009-06-22 5:32 PM

I just don't think those chains are going to hold a 28ft trailer with a 12ft living quarters.  And if it does hold whats going to happen to the back end of your pickup.  Thats alot of weight to hit those chains at 70mph. 

You would 'just' be wrong.  By law each safety chain has to have a breaking strength equal to, or greater than the GVWR of the trailer.

My trailer has a GVWR of 7000# and came with 1/4" grade 70 chains installed (grade 70 is overkill for my size trailer, 1/4" grade 43 would satisfy the law).  Those two chains would require 25,000# to break them.  A set of 3/8" grade 70 chains would require twice that. 

And you seem to be overly concerned with your own safety and damage to your property.  Those chains are they to keep the public safe from your mistakes.  If you lose your trailer, take responsibility and deal with it......same goes for the emergency break away system, I hear same lame ass excuses for not using that.

Oh, to answer your question, I've never lost a trailer but I always use the safety chains. 

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sinful
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2009-06-22 7:36 PM (#106863 - in reply to #106838)
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I Agree with the above posts.   Use Your Chains....  There is a reason they are there.   I've seen bumper pulls  come un-hooked.    With chains, you still have some control over the trailer....Without chains.....Well,   I have seen them cross the mediam of the interstate and wedge itself into the safety rail.  Those folks were just plain glad it didn't kill anyone.   

Use them on your Gooseneck too.   I Do.

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flyinghfarm
Reg. Mar 2004
Posted 2009-06-22 7:48 PM (#106864 - in reply to #106838)
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I always hook both chains on the GN's, and cross and connect the 2 on the BP's. 

Once had a BP come off the hitch because it was never latched. (truly, I did not hook it up........but I was the driver and it was MY responsibility to do a walk around and check EVERYTHING)  The trailer settled onto the crossed chains, but I felt and heard an uncharacteristic bump......and I eased over and checked it.  The main cord had been sheared off by the wandering hitch, but all else was well.  I hooked up and LATCHED it, and when I got to the farm, put the plug on the now shorter cord, and went on my way.  The ititial event happened on a bridge, and those chains kept a TB 2 horse from gliding out into traffic on a bridge, a very bad scenario.

I don't know if the GN chains would hold in an event, but if there was an accident, and whomever's insurance found out those chains had never been attached.........well, kiss the insurance goodbye.  That alone should keep us hookin em up!  I don't relish the idea of being tied to an out of control trailer, but as said above, the mess is MY mess......I really don't want see my free-as-a-bird trailer wipe out a mini-van of girl scouts either!

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Linda Y
Reg. May 2007
Posted 2009-06-22 8:02 PM (#106865 - in reply to #106838)
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Once had a 2 horse bumper pull come unhitched in the middle of New Orleans rush hour traffic.
There was a National Champion Paso Fino stallion in there. If those chains hadn't been on, it would have surely gone out across all those lanes of traffic and who knows what would have happened. As it was, we managed to let it keep bumping into the back of the truck until it slowed, then pulled over. The horse was fine, the truck just a little dented and the trailer was none the worse for wear. I know now it was because it had a collar on the hitch that hit the bumper and was pushed open. I will never ever pull a trailer off the bumper again. OR not use chains!
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hogtownboss
Reg. Sep 2008
Posted 2009-06-23 10:58 AM (#106898 - in reply to #106855)
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Originally written by brew26 on 2009-06-22 5:32 PM

I just don't think those chains are going to hold a 28ft trailer with a 12ft living quarters.  And if it does hold whats going to happen to the back end of your pickup.  Thats alot of weight to hit those chains at 70mph. 

Weather they "hold" or not, they are installed at the manufacture for a reason!  If the trailer happens to come loose from the truck for whatever reason the truck and the trailer would have been traveling at the same speed to start with so that much weight will hitting the chains at close to the same speed.  The only way the weight would hit the chains at 70mph would be if, well it would be IMPOSSIBLE! 

Bottom line the use of chains or calbes is the law and just spend the 10 seconds it takes to hook them up!

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brew26
Reg. May 2009
Posted 2009-06-23 11:13 AM (#106903 - in reply to #106898)
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Weather they "hold" or not, they are installed at the manufacture for a reason! 

This maybe true. But just over half the state require that you even hook them up on a gn trailer. I'm not trying to argue with anybody that its a good idea to hook them up(even though I'm guilty of not hooking them up). I just wanted to know if anybody has ever had a gn come unhooked while driving with them on.
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HWBar
Reg. Nov 2005
Posted 2009-06-23 11:23 AM (#106904 - in reply to #106903)
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Originally written by brew26 on 2009-06-23 11:13 AM

I just wanted to know if anybody has ever had a gn come unhooked while driving with them on.

 

 

 

You hear a few urban legends about them coming off, but I have never seen pictures of a gooseneck that came off the ball. I have seen 2 wrecked trailers that bent the coupler almost 90 degrees, but were still hooked to the ball. To each their own. JMHO

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Bells
Reg. Jun 2007
Posted 2009-06-23 1:12 PM (#106913 - in reply to #106838)
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I had a bumper pull hop off the hitch once.   I was using the trailer to move so I was thanking my lucky stars that I didn't have a horse in the back.  The chains kept if from taking off.

Years ago my dad was moving across country before chains were used.  He used to tell us about the trailer getting loose and watching it pass them and luckily plow on through the median.  They were lucky it didn't end up in the other lane.

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genebob
Reg. Nov 2007
Posted 2009-06-23 1:20 PM (#106915 - in reply to #106838)
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My father-in-law had the hitch come off his GN flatbed trailer. Forgot to latch the pin. Tailgate saved it from flying away. Needless to say he need a new tailgate.
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Gone
Reg. May 2005
Posted 2009-06-23 2:04 PM (#106925 - in reply to #106838)
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If the right sized ball is hitched properly, what would cause it to become detached? Why would a coupler fail?  

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Hillview
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2009-06-23 2:14 PM (#106928 - in reply to #106838)
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I had a 2H BP come off the ball last year. The coupler failed and came undone while going down a pretty big hill. The trailer slammed into the truck, but it didn't feel like anything other than a horse moving inside the trailer so I went on. When we leveled out at the bottom of the hill, the safety brake engaged (the dealer installed it shorter than the chains)and the chains ripped right off the truck. My trailer was sitting in the middle of the road unhitched with my horse inside! Luckily, no one rear-ended it.

My point is to use your chains, but make sure your safety break cord is longer than your chains. You don't want to be disconnected like I was.

Even if the chains fail, they may delay the trailer from becoming detached and give other motorists time to get out of the way.
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genebob
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Posted 2009-06-23 2:18 PM (#106930 - in reply to #106925)
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Originally written by Gone on 2009-06-23 2:04 PM

If the right sized ball is hitched properly, what would cause it to become detached?

As you say "hitched properly." He didn't pin the locking collar.

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Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2009-06-23 2:18 PM (#106931 - in reply to #106925)
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Originally written by Gone on 2009-06-23 11:04 AM

If the right sized ball is hitched properly, what would cause it to become detached?

The same cause of most human disasters through recorded history.  3 Mile Island, Hubble telescope, etc.  ...Cascading human error. 

Not using the safety chains is merely the first error of the cascade.

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Gone
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Posted 2009-06-23 2:25 PM (#106933 - in reply to #106838)
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I just went and looked at my EB cable and it is about 3-4 inches longer than the chains. So, I take it that in the event of the trailer becoming disconnected from its ball, you do not want the EB cable tripped right away. You want the EB cable tripped if the chains break, right?

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Tresvolte
Reg. Feb 2008
Posted 2009-06-23 2:29 PM (#106934 - in reply to #106925)
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That's how I would want it. Not sure what everyone else out there thinks.
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chadsalt
Reg. Nov 2004
Posted 2009-06-23 2:33 PM (#106936 - in reply to #106928)
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Originally written by Hillview on 2009-06-23 2:14 PM

I had a 2H BP come off the ball last year. The coupler failed and came undone while going down a pretty big hill. The trailer slammed into the truck, but it didn't feel like anything other than a horse moving inside the trailer so I went on. When we leveled out at the bottom of the hill, the safety brake engaged (the dealer installed it shorter than the chains)and the chains ripped right off the truck. My trailer was sitting in the middle of the road unhitched with my horse inside! Luckily, no one rear-ended it. My point is to use your chains, but make sure your safety break cord is longer than your chains. You don't want to be disconnected like I was. Even if the chains fail, they may delay the trailer from becoming detached and give other motorists time to get out of the way.

When you say; "chains ripped right off the truck" where was the failure?  Broken chains? Chain hooks? Chain loops on receiver?

If I may also inquire;  What make was the receiver/hitch? What grade of chain & hooks?  "S" or forged hooks?  How was the chain attached to the trailer?  For example; bolted on, welded on with weld-able links, or just welded a link of chain to the tongue?

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