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gemm
Reg. Feb 2005
Posted 2009-03-06 3:18 PM (#100807)
Subject: supplementing salt


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Do any of you supplement with granular salt? I've read recently that we could give 2Tbsps/day, in addition to a free choice salt block, and that seems like a lot. I think it would make all the food taste salty and the horses would refuse to eat? Just wondering...Anyone have experience? How much do you feed? How do you mix it with the feed? Do you vary the amt with the seasons? Thanks in advance!
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Marla
Reg. Mar 2008
Posted 2009-03-06 7:25 PM (#100825 - in reply to #100807)
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I personally would not add salt to my animal's ration.  They  have free-choice  mineral blocks available, and will eat only what they need.

Marla

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sinful
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2009-03-06 7:33 PM (#100827 - in reply to #100807)
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I agree with Marla..   Free choice Salt & Mineral bocks. Thats all my horses get.  Plus good Hay & Oats.    Just curious...Why would you want to add salt on top of their feed? 
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rose
Reg. Feb 2004
Posted 2009-03-06 10:08 PM (#100834 - in reply to #100807)
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If you thinking about electrolytes, dehydration etc, then you may want to off lite salt (it contains potassium too), but don't think I would add it to feed.  I usually just put it in my hand and offer it....if it is really hot and they have been sweating hard.
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huntseat
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2009-03-06 10:53 PM (#100838 - in reply to #100807)
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I offer a mineral block (aka, red salt) and sulphur salt block (aka, yellow salt) free choice in the hay bin but that's it.  Horses are pretty smart...they'll take what they need.  (Some horses get bored and eat mineral blocks, these idiots should only be allowed mineral blocks under supervision.)

* Note sulphur helps with bone and tendon developement in young and developing horses.

I do know a lady that puts minerals and salt into her rations and those are the sickest horses...thyroid this and laminitis that, correlation?  You decide.



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pupsnponies
Reg. Mar 2009
Posted 2009-03-07 4:56 AM (#100841 - in reply to #100807)
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Yeah, I've read similar. Reason I read is that horse's tongues are smooth and they can not get enough salt off of the block. What I read suggested to offer the granular free choice as opposed to putting it in the food. Since my horses are doing fine with their mineral and salt blocks, I decided not to upset the applecart and change. I take granular salt to rides where the horses will be sweating a lot - but just offer it free choice.



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hounddog
Reg. Dec 2005
Posted 2009-03-07 8:28 AM (#100846 - in reply to #100807)
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I feed FREE CHOICE minerals to pasture horses.ADM free choice and horses that we gran we had the same 1 tablespoon or so twice a day.ADM Horse minerals. MorMons Grow Strong.

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Angelmay84
Reg. Jan 2008
Posted 2009-03-07 8:55 AM (#100848 - in reply to #100807)
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I found loose red mineral salt for cheap at the feed store. I put it in a bucket and offered it free choice without problem.  I recently bought one of those protein and mineral buckets....gawd...my horse devoured the thing while I was gone. She was a sticky disgusting mess.   I was worried that she'd be sick from it...  Some horses ARE stupid about free choice things especially if molassas is involved, as it is in many of the pressed salt blocks.  I offer gross plain mineral salt without molassas.

Amanda

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hounddog
Reg. Dec 2005
Posted 2009-03-07 9:11 AM (#100849 - in reply to #100807)
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The free choice sticky thing you used was it a horse protein block in black or green tub? In the winter/cold/poor grass situation mine will go through them pretty quick.But as the forge improves and after they have used them a while they back off on it considerably to the point they won't touch the rest of the year and if one is only partialy used then I remove it and store until next fall/winter.Cold weather and poor pastures they jump on them.Good weather and grass they back off and then leave alone until the winter.I did not use them this year.Price on them went way up.I just use the Grostrong free choice minerals in mineral feeders set out in the pastures just like for cattle.Sometimes they have red all over their lips and at times they go a while between usages.

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gemm
Reg. Feb 2005
Posted 2009-03-09 12:51 PM (#100944 - in reply to #100807)
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Sorry I haven't responded to any of your notes. I've been unable to get to my computer for a couple of days.

Here's the info (in a nutshell) that I got from Horse Journal in their most recent issue(Mar.09), but recently I've heard about salt intake from other sources too. If a horse gets too little salt for his minimum requirements his body will adjust by holding less water. This leaves the body fluid ratio normal, but it leaves the horse in a continually dehydrated state. This is because his total body fluid is below normal, plus he won't have his natural instinct to eat free-choice salt because his brain isn't getting a "low sodium" signal. This is normally fine if the horse is just hangin' out, but if the horse sweats or gets diarrhea(hard workout, heat, illness) it can cause severe dehydration and overheating can occur. Remember, this is a synopsis of an article, not my personal opinion.

The recommendation for daily salt intake in this article is:1-2oz(2-4Tbsp) in cool weather, and 2-4oz(4-8Tbsp)in hot weather. Many variations within these parameters exist according to exercise, ill health, etc. A daily consumption of 1-2 oz is absolutely necessary to avoid a dehydrated state. When using a salt block the horse should eat a minimum of a pound (16oz) of salt every 16 days, and more if he is working or the weather is hot. The article highly recommends monitoring your horse's salt intake with the free choice salt blocks to ensure the right amt is getting eaten. I guess that means weighing the salt block. Then the article goes on to say that some horses don't like to spend all the time it takes to lick off 1-2 oz/day, the block might be located far away from the grassy areas the horse grazes, other horses may keep low pecking order horses away from the block, already salt-deficient or mildly dehydrated horses will not have a normal salt hunger, and monitoring an individual horse's intake is impossible when housed with a group.

So that's why I asked! I'm confused by the free-choice vs daily supplement ideas. My horse did get a mild colic this past Fall and the vet said it was due to mild dehydration in combination with stress. He passed the "pinch test", but still was dehydrated. I priced a bag of white salt at Costco and it was cheap, cheap, cheap. This seems like a simple, cost effective way to help my horse, but I wondered what you all thought since you're in the "real world". Thanks for all your responses!

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farmbabe
Reg. Nov 2003
Posted 2009-03-09 3:02 PM (#100957 - in reply to #100807)
Subject: RE: supplementing salt


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In the summer, I mix a scoop of yeast,a scoop of salt and half scoop of selimun/vit ADE and mix it together. I then put about 2 tsp on top of their pellets.The horses do not have access to a salt block. The horses did fine on it without side effects ( been doing this for years). You cannot draw a blanket conclusion based on "someones horse is sick and gets salt therefore its the salt" A tsp of salt for a 1000 lb horse isn't that much at all and horses eat stuff we don't so you cannot compare what we think would be salty and what a horse would prefer.
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gabz
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2009-03-09 6:16 PM (#100972 - in reply to #100807)
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I add salt to the horse's diets in the winter, in order to encourage them to drink more water. Since the water is so cold, even with the de-icer (only keeps it at about 40 degrees), they don't drink as much as they should. Plus, when horses are eating hay / dry food, they need more water.  So, the salt is to encourage water consumption and keep the horses properly hydrated.

When horses can graze on grass, they get a good amount of water through the grass.  I have also seen horses not drink water from troughs in the summer if it's too hot. so setting water in a shady area can help.

In the summer, I provide bins of loose salt and loose minerals. The horses seem to know when they need more. I do not use trace mineral blocks because they are usually 93 - 97% salt. If a horse needed minerals, they would have to take in more salt then they might need.

Also - horses tongues are not rough like cows and other ruminants, so it's more difficult for horses to lick a block.

Just like people, salt helps horses retain water. When feeding alfalfa, horses need more water than when eating a grass hay, to help flush their systems of the higher proteins from alfalfa hay.

When I buy big bags of it from the grain store, the salt costs about 7 cents a pound. Minerals are much more expensive. I use Purina's 12;12.

I add the salt to pellets that are wetted or soaked (depending on the season - winter they get soaked alfalfa cubes; summer, dry feed that I put some water over, to make everything stick.)



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gemm
Reg. Feb 2005
Posted 2009-03-09 6:34 PM (#100979 - in reply to #100807)
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I'm tempted to take the conservative route and work up to 1Tbsp daily with my horses' supplements. That way I can be assured they're getting the minimum amt/day. If that works out OK I can up the amt in the summer or when one of them is working and sweating extra. If it saves just one vet bill it'll be well worth it, and like I said, my gelding is sensitive to getting colicky when slightly dehydrated. I just don't want to overdo it and get too much salt, which I'm sure could cause a whole host of other problems! Also, if I feed too much then will my horse/s overcompensate and drink too much and end up peeing a bunch more? That would be a pain, but again I'd rather clean up more pee and NOT get another colic. Choices, choices!!
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farmbabe
Reg. Nov 2003
Posted 2009-03-10 7:54 AM (#101021 - in reply to #100807)
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sounds to me like you are complicating the whole thing. Offer free choice loose salt which is easier for the horse to take in compared to a block. Its not expensive and the horse can make the choice as to when,where,how much....then you don't have to worry.Oddly enough, in the winter up here,my horse eat more snow and don't comsume much liquid water as evidenced from the many times I break the ice apart or empty ice from a tub. They are fed alfalfa and get some salt in their feed. I guess horses don't read those article on nurition.
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hounddog
Reg. Dec 2005
Posted 2009-03-10 12:17 PM (#101058 - in reply to #100807)
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There's also a special circumstance where I will "salt" a horse. When traveling or with a weather change or other cause where I KNOW a horse is off the water, I will shove a fistful of table salt way back on their tongue,maybe twice or three times to make them drink. I have averted colic and other problems caused by low water intake by doing this.
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gabz
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2009-03-10 5:25 PM (#101076 - in reply to #100807)
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gemm - if your horse also gets a pelleted feed, there is salt in that.

Read your tag on any sweet feed or pellets. 

Keeping water as fresh as possible is also a big help. 

Throwing the loose salt in with the feed, the horse will sort through and eat what he needs and leave the rest.

Fortiflex makes a GREAT double bin...  I screw it to a board first, then screw the board to a wall. Otherwise, the salt and minerals corrode the screws and I can't move it. http://www.kvvet.com/KVVet/search_results.asp?mscssid=640B1E342F4947D8B8B9F042ECF0B5A3&Gift=false&GiftID=

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gemm
Reg. Feb 2005
Posted 2009-03-13 3:26 PM (#101300 - in reply to #100807)
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Now there's an idea I hadn't thought of...Duh... I can put loose salt out for the horses to eat w/o putting it IN their feed! I don't know why I thought I could only do that with a salt block! I did check all the labels on my feeds and none of them have additional sodium. Gabz, the divided feeder looks nice(cheap too!), but I can't justify buying a new feeder when the ones I have are still fine. I guess I could tell my husband I was helping the economy though?
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gabz
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2009-03-16 4:18 PM (#101488 - in reply to #101300)
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If you have any kind of bucket that you can hang up, that works good too.

When I boarded, I used the divided bin thing, since it was in the stall and I didn't want to take up a lot of space.  With the horses outside 24/7, you can hang smaller buckets in a run-in or under the eaves, depending on your weather.

I have seen the 2-bin things at TSC.  They are also nice to hang up in the shop or garage for small parts... so maybe you could buy some for the horses and some for your hubby?



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ntcowgirl
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Posted 2009-03-19 4:58 PM (#101771 - in reply to #100807)
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I keep trace mineral blocks out at all times but when I travel I take loose mineral salt and add about a Tbsp a day.    Especially if it is hot and they have been ridden hard.

I just buy a big bag of the loose salt and put some in a coffee can.   It's always in my trailer.

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Hank
Reg. Sep 2007
Posted 2009-03-20 12:36 PM (#101820 - in reply to #100807)
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Here in NE Wisconsin, the free choice loose salt will freeze in the winter and the blocks get buried under three feet of snow, so I top dress the boy's grain with loose salt.  Encourages water intake.  Water is good.
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Marla
Reg. Mar 2008
Posted 2009-03-21 7:36 PM (#101880 - in reply to #100807)
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Yes, water is good, but excess salt is just as bad for your horse as it is for you.

Marla

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Hank
Reg. Sep 2007
Posted 2009-03-21 8:16 PM (#101881 - in reply to #100807)
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Thank you Marla for your reply.  Carbs, bacon, whiskey and soda are bad for me.....what's that got to do with my horse?
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loveduffy
Reg. Feb 2006
Posted 2009-03-21 9:18 PM (#101887 - in reply to #100807)
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I have salt licks and when need ( that means that the horse is not drinking enough water) I give stress dex
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Terri
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2009-03-22 12:55 PM (#101900 - in reply to #101881)
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Carbs, bacon, whiskey and soda are bad for me.....

But oh so good......  I've got a bacon sandwich and a Dr Pepper right now.

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siseley
Reg. Jul 2006
Posted 2009-03-22 1:48 PM (#101903 - in reply to #100807)
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Just sneakin in here to say;  here in the high desert we always give a teaspoon to a tablespoon to our animals with their feed in the morning. We have a 50 lb block available ALL the time, and have never had a colic episode or a horse tie-up from lack of electrolytes. When we are trailering for several hours, I will give the horses an extra amount of electrolye salt for a day before we leave so they drink plenty BEFORE they are trailered. That way if someone doesn't drink on the trip for some reason, I'm sure they have enough fluid in them. We have temps in the 90's to 110 daily, as well as about 13% humidity as an average here in late spring to late fall, so lots of water I think has been the key.

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