Posted 2009-02-22 6:25 AM (#99859 - in reply to #99858) Subject: RE: Cimmarron Trailer
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They make a good trailer, but it's more in line with a Hart, than it would be with the 4 Star. They use the FRP for the roof, some folks like it, I have had bad experiences with it leaking after some years. The people that like it, usually make a claim about it insulates the ceiling ect. The big difference in the high end trailers(4 Star, Bloomer, Elite) is those guys use a much heavier grade of aluminum for the wall studs, bottom and top rails. Now having said that, if you are hauling once or twice a month on average then those trailers will last forever, If you are hauling to 2 shows every weekend then you might want to step up to the high end trailers. I would assume that since you are asking, you are part of group 1.
After seeing your location, just look at what the pro's are hauling, look for the ones that don't have a trailer deal(as I'll pull anyones trailer if it's free), see what the pros are spending their own dollars on.
Posted 2009-02-22 7:19 AM (#99862 - in reply to #99858) Subject: RE: Cimmarron Trailer
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I found Cimarron's specs but not 4-star's. Cimarron...extruded aluminum floor at 6 inch centers, .050 aluminum sides, .090 top and bottom plate. I'll keep searching for 4-star's specs.......
Posted 2009-02-22 8:24 AM (#99869 - in reply to #99858) Subject: RE: Cimmarron Trailer
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You can look for specs if you want, the extruded floor you talk about has no I-Beams as it's all integrated, that's how they claim the 6" spacing, very difficult to install holding tanks under it, so they will LQ prep the trailers buy cutting out a section and installing a flat piece of aluminum there. Also as far as the wall studs go I can send a self tapping screw into a Cimmaron, on a 4 Star you have to pre-drill the hole. I have been all over, on top of, and under, most brands of trailers I just finished a Cimmaron and it left here last week.
Posted 2009-02-22 8:43 AM (#99873 - in reply to #99858) Subject: RE: Cimmarron Trailer
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From the outside most of these trailers look the same, there are a few manufacturers that use this FRP, for the roof, some use it in the dividers, and slant wall. It has been around for a long time. The biggest difference in these trailers I have found is in the actual aluminum, most folks just see aluminum, the upper end trailers use a much thicker aluminum for everything, look at the frame around the windows on a high end trailer, then go look at the lower end ones. There is an incredible difference. Same with the wall studs and bottom rails. Having said all this if you are not going to drag a trailer around but a few huindred or few thousand miles a year, this stuff doesn't matter. Some of these show/rodeo folks drag around a trailer 30-75K a year, these people are pulling the top brands of trailers, unless they are pulling a sponsors trailer, and it that case what does it matter.
Posted 2009-02-22 10:34 AM (#99882 - in reply to #99858) Subject: RE: Cimmarron Trailer
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Top end trailers are 4 Star, Bloomer, Elite and C&C. Then you have some that are nice but just not in the same league as these. I have worked on just about every brand out there, and studied them all.
Posted 2009-02-22 4:21 PM (#99903 - in reply to #99858) Subject: RE: Cimmarron Trailer
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HBar dont you think Hart is at the same level as 4star? You know these trailers better than me but when I looked at the welds and the material they both used and the designs I felt like they were equal. What do you think?
Posted 2009-02-22 6:35 PM (#99914 - in reply to #99903) Subject: RE: Cimmarron Trailer
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Originally written by AQHA 123 on 2009-02-22 4:21 PM
HBar dont you think Hart is at the same level as 4star? You know these trailers better than me but when I looked at the welds and the material they both used and the designs I felt like they were equal. What do you think?
Nope, I'll say that Hart is the best of the manufacturers that use the FRP roof, all of the manufacturers that use the FRP roof use the same top rail, it is not near as beefy as the top rail in a 4 Star/Bloomer ect. The way the roof is attached to the top rail lends itself to leaks after some years. I have a Hart coming tomorrow for some repairs, the slideout is leaking, that softened the glue under the linolium, so I am replacing the floor covering with a laminate flooring.
Posted 2009-02-22 6:52 PM (#99919 - in reply to #99858) Subject: RE: Cimmarron Trailer
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Does a synthetic laminate hold up better than a vinyl floor for a LQ application? (sorry OP, I don't mean to highjack)Is it the sun that breaks down the seals on the fiberglass tops and makes them leak? My trailers are kept in the barn, I hope to not have this problem.
Posted 2009-02-22 10:17 PM (#99938 - in reply to #99919) Subject: RE: Cimmarron Trailer
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Originally written by AQHA 123 on 2009-02-22 7:52 PM
Does a synthetic laminate hold up better than a vinyl floor for a LQ application?
Either one will probably last as long as your ownership of the trailer
Is it the sun that breaks down the seals on the fiberglass tops and makes them leak?
The sun will weaken the caulking as well as the fiberglass. Replace any silicone caulking with a marine polyurethane and it will seal longer. A barn storage will significantly decrease the maintenance of your trailer.
Posted 2009-02-22 10:39 PM (#99941 - in reply to #99869) Subject: RE: Cimmarron Trailer
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Originally written by HWBar on 2009-02-22 8:24 AM
Also as far as the wall studs go I can send a self tapping screw into a Cimmaron, on a 4 Star you have to pre-drill the hole.
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I have a 4-Star and I know what HWBar is talking about. I bought SS self tapping screws when I was doing the conversion. I couldn't beleive that I had to drill a starting hole in the aluminum with the SS self taping screw. The aluminum was harder than the SS.
Posted 2009-03-26 8:40 PM (#102184 - in reply to #99858) Subject: RE: Cimmarron Trailer
Had several trailers that you have mentioned. I just purchased a '09 Cimmarron and so far so good. Went with it due to the FRP (we have lots of hail around here and skinned roofs don't do as well with hail). Put 10-15k miles a year on them and would put Cim. and Hart up against all others. The floor is another selling point to me as it is put together like a puzzle. My experience with I beam/sheeting floors is that they have a tendency to "oil can" and after a few years, they sag where the horse stands. By the way, the Bloomer dealer told me that Bloomer has the same floor as the Hart and Cim. I looked at $100k 4 Stars, and questioned how they could put cheap exposed weather stripping on the drop frames & doors, that would eventually come off. I chose Cim. over Hart due to price, removable fenders, and a few other minor features. The owner of Cim. I was told, was a manager for Hart for years. As like spouses, we all like something a little different!
Posted 2009-03-26 9:08 PM (#102186 - in reply to #99858) Subject: RE: Cimmarron Trailer
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I didn't have a 4star dealer in my area so I compared the Hart and the Elite. Both looked great but I liked the design and feel of the Hart so I went with that. The trailer this one is replacing is a Featherlite, so it should be a big step up from that. I'm a little bummed there wasn't a 4star place closer, I would have liked comparing that brand as well.
Posted 2009-03-27 11:08 PM (#102280 - in reply to #99858) Subject: RE: Cimmarron Trailer
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Here is some info for those interested.
The roof panel on Cimarron and Hart trailers is not FRP. FRP is Fiber reinforced plywood. The roof panels on current Hart and Cimarron trailers have a composite honey comb style center in a fiberglass sandwich and a special UV protective cover on the top side. It has actually proved very robust over time and is quieter and cooler than the thinner aluminum roofs.
One of the highest mileage trailers I know of is a Hart that is well past its million mile mark.
Cimarron has one of the thickest walls in the industry and probably the strongest doors I have seen.
Posted 2009-03-28 9:02 AM (#102284 - in reply to #99858) Subject: RE: Cimmarron Trailer
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Another bit of information: FRP, when used in the fiberglass construction industry, means fiberglass reinforced plastic, not fiberglass reinforced panels or plywood. Plastic is a generic term for the various resins used in the layups, and does not describe the core material.
The resins hold the fiberglass in a particular shape, while the fiberglass provides the layup with strength. The addition of various core materials, adds greatly to the total overall strength and rigidity of the construction.
Posted 2009-03-28 10:52 AM (#102293 - in reply to #99858) Subject: RE: Cimmarron Trailer
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Cimmarron builds a great trailer. They are getting very popular around Weatherford with the cutters. Mike Terry calls the shots at Cimmarron and he is incredible when it comes to his demand for quality. He ran Hart for a long time, and does a great job. They have a big selection at NRS in Decatur. 4 Star, Bloomer, Platinum, Elite, Cimmarron are all really good trailers. I have owned a nd pulled all of them. We hook alot of the medium duty trucks to all of the above and that is where you seperate the "players from the fans"...A big truck will tear up alot of trailers.
Posted 2009-03-30 8:10 PM (#102462 - in reply to #102184) Subject: RE: Cimmarron Trailer
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I sure am glad to find this thread, I was going to start a new post but we'll see if I can get some advice just joining in here since the post is so recent. I am trailer shopping for a 4 horse with large tack or weekender, on the net. Looking for used to maximize what I get for the price I spend. The trailer will be hauled a minimum of 2,000 miles to get it home and I plan on hanging on to it for a long time so really want the right trailer! I have been looking at ( via the net) 4 Stars, Elite, Hart ,CM Norstars, and a few C&C's. My number one priority is durability. I travel on lots of rough or uneven roads, live in a corrosive area ( bluff on the sea), haul 1,200-1,500lb horses, and often get sideways rain that could find its way into a sealed coffee can! ( so dont want any leaky roof problems) :) . I have spent a lot of money repairing my steel frame/aluminum skin current trailer and am ready for an upgrade.
I had thought I was only going to consider a Hart as I had hauled my friend's 06 4 horse and found it pulled like a dream, was quiet and was pretty impressed by the structure. A few things about it bothered me though, such as flimsy wheel wells that are so dinged up, the plastic gaurds wont stay on. The sheet metal on the siding seems quite thin compared to the mid 90 LQ Sundowners I have owned. Personally , I've seen very few Harts in the 7' plus width, and her 6' ? " Hart stalls were just too short length for my horses. I havent ruled Hart out but am trying to do some structural comparisons between some of the others I have mentioned shopping for. I am looking at a 04 CM Norstar and am now a little concerned about the composite roof having leakage issues. I climbed up top of my 97 Aluminum roofed Charmac and was appalled at what is considered a factory standard roof! I bet there is a case of Caulking on the upper exposed roof nuts. To it's credit though, it doesnt leak. Have to say the 4 star's thickness and grade of aluminum used in structural support is VERY appealing as a commercial fisherman know high quality welding and heavy grade aluminum is incredibily strong and lasts forever. I am just trying to weed out fact from hype and get to the performance of these trailers. Any input you all have to contribute I appreciate. Many Many questions I have had , were answered and am narrowed down to these trailers. Just feeling anxious to know as much as I can to make the right choice.