Posted 2008-12-23 10:18 AM (#96395) Subject: Help!!
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There is a man here in Tucumcari who routinely starves his horses and mules. Today they have no feed and no water. This is an ongoing problem that has been happening for years. The local livestock inspector has no authority to remove the animals, and the local judge is reluctant to take action until the animals are dead. Is there any avenue I could take to remedy this situation? Are there any groups in NM who have the authority to claim these animals BEFORE the die of neglect? Marla
Posted 2008-12-23 10:33 AM (#96396 - in reply to #96395) Subject: RE: Help!!
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Would a call to the state's attorney general's office point you in the right direction? How about some calls to the local newspaper and TV stations? It sounds as if the local authorities need an incentive to do their job. Bad publicity can be a good persuasion.
Posted 2008-12-23 11:42 AM (#96398 - in reply to #96395) Subject: RE: Help!!
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Marla, see if Walkin N Circles ranch in Edgewood has some suggestions. They are a horse rescue with alot of connections. Web site is wncr.org. Strange that the NM Livestock Board won't do anything had a smiular situation here and the inspector took all the horses away 40-50 horses. This guys heart was in the right spot, but couldn't provide the care for them. He went around to auctions buying horses. Another thing is get the media involved, there has been a couple of incidents in Cruces of neglect and hording that was reported. And with the public pressure the animals were taken away.
Posted 2008-12-23 12:08 PM (#96399 - in reply to #96396) Subject: RE: Help!!
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Originally written by gard on 2008-12-23 10:33 AM
Would a call to the state's attorney general's office point you in the right direction? How about some calls to the local newspaper and TV stations? It sounds as if the local authorities need an incentive to do their job. Bad publicity can be a good persuasion.
Gard
Gard, good suggestion about the AG's office. We have no local TV station, and the local newspaper, a bi-weekly paper, has no interest in "stirring up trouble", the editor says. I have been trying to get the Humane Association to step in, but we have no local chapter and the chapter in Clovis, NM has no authority outside their district. I'll try the AG's office immediately.
Posted 2008-12-23 12:13 PM (#96400 - in reply to #96398) Subject: RE: Help!!
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Originally written by NM-Rider on 2008-12-23 10:42 AM
Marla, see if Walkin N Circles ranch in Edgewood has some suggestions. They are a horse rescue with alot of connections. Web site is wncr.org. Strange that the NM Livestock Board won't do anything had a smiular situation here and the inspector took all the horses away 40-50 horses. This guys heart was in the right spot, but couldn't provide the care for them. He went around to auctions buying horses. Another thing is get the media involved, there has been a couple of incidents in Cruces of neglect and hording that was reported. And with the public pressure the animals were taken away.
Thanks for the reply! I'll contact Walking in Circles right away. Your idea of media involvement strikes a chord. Since the local newspaper isn't interested, maybe channel four in Albuquerque would be interested. This guy only has a few animals at a time, 6 or 8 or so, probably because the others die off and he just replaces them.
Posted 2008-12-23 12:36 PM (#96401 - in reply to #96400) Subject: RE: Help!!
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I agree with NM rider about the live stock inspector. The one here will seize animals if they are being neglected. Maybe a call to a different county inspector to find out what the rules really are and if yours isn't doing their job report them. If you want the number to the one here I have her number. I've talked to her about some starving dogs last year and she came and got those too.
Posted 2008-12-23 1:28 PM (#96402 - in reply to #96395) Subject: RE: Help!!
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Marla--
Thank you for taking this project on. I would talk to law enforcement (you probably already have if the judge is reluctant to step in) and also to local government officials. In our state the Town Chairman has a certain amount of authority to step in. Appear at a government meeting if you have to. Ask to be put on the agenda ahead of time. Then notify the press so they can be there as well. Also, if the local editor doesn't want to get involved, start submitting well-written letters to the editor on the topic in general without singling out a specific person. People will likely know who you are talking about anyway. Send these letters to the press all over the state. Time to mobilize? Good luck!
Posted 2008-12-23 6:46 PM (#96408 - in reply to #96395) Subject: RE: Help!!
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As soon as you get the media involved, even the local paper, people start coming out of the wood work to get involved. The health dept. in our area is the one that usually takes action in a case like you have there. Once the problem is exposed by the media, you'll have peta, spca and maybe some local rescue people involved. The problem right now, is everyone's budget is stretched to the max because of the economy. Our local humane society is constantly running adds for help because people are dropping off their pets because they can't feed themselves, much less take care of a pet.
Posted 2008-12-24 8:18 PM (#96456 - in reply to #96395) Subject: RE: Help!!
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Thanks everyone for the replies. When the livestock inspector checked the animals this morning he took pictures and showed them to the judge to try and get a removal order. The local judge wouldn't issue the order, so the inspector took his request to the district judge and did get permission to impound the animals. They were loaded up this afternoon and taken to the inspectors home, since Quay county does not have a facility for this sort of thing. At least they will have feed and water. I donated a ton of hay and another neighbor donated several sacks of feed. Looks like we won this one!
Posted 2008-12-24 8:43 PM (#96459 - in reply to #96395) Subject: RE: Help!!
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Your thought fullness and caring is commendable. If everyone were so considerate, these problems would never occur. Only people like you, who go out of your way to ensure these animals' welfare, can protect these innocents from negligent, thoughtless, scum. Animal cruelty is a strike against the character of mankind. If someone can be cruel to one living animal, how will he treat others?
It sounds as if this incident should be repeated to the local population, when ever your local judge is next running for reelection.
I bet you will sleep well tonight, knowing that part of this situation is better because of your efforts. Thank you for affirming that mankind can be kind and considerate.
Posted 2008-12-25 11:43 AM (#96469 - in reply to #96395) Subject: RE: Help!!
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I am going to start a crusade to establish a rescue center here in Quay county. The livestock inspector says that a big obstacle is the lack of a facility and lack of funds for needed vet care and feed. I don't know if rescue centers are funded at the county, state, or federal level, but I guess I will get myself educated on the subject next week. Thanks again for the advice everyone.
Posted 2009-01-15 9:52 PM (#97592 - in reply to #96395) Subject: RE: Help!!
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I am so dissapointed I could spit! The judge determined that the animals were not sufficiently near death to deny the man ownership of the animals. He returned the animals to their owner. They are back across the fence from me crying for feed everytime I feed my animals. I put a small water trough across the fence and got back what was left of the ton of hay I had donated to their care. I wonder if I am doing the animals a disservice by feeding and watering them. They might be better off if their agony were ended sooner rather than later. But I just CAN'T let them starve! Maybe I can find a way for them to just disapear some dark night. I wish I could make the judge miss a few meals and go without water and shelter for a week or so. Maybe then he would have some compassion for those poor animals.
Posted 2009-01-16 5:32 AM (#97598 - in reply to #96395) Subject: RE: Help!!
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Try posting the situation on this blog - pictures are very helpful. The owner of this blog is quite effective at getting things done - she has quite a large following around the country.
Posted 2009-01-16 8:35 AM (#97608 - in reply to #97592) Subject: RE: Help!!
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Originally written by Marla on 2009-01-15 10:52 PM
I am so dissapointed I could spit! The judge determined that the animals were not sufficiently near death to deny the man ownership of the animals. He returned the animals to their owner. Marla
Perhaps a campaign to provide this information to various news agencies, would effect a change. In our area, similar events had gone unnoticed by the public, until the evening newscasts started showing these emaciated animals. As the public's reaction became more vocal, the authorities were forced into a more corrective approach. Public opinion can be a strong argument.
Posted 2009-01-16 10:07 AM (#97611 - in reply to #96395) Subject: RE: Help!!
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Marla, You are taking on a task that is quite large. Unless you cut/open your fence so the animals can walk onto your place to get food and water. I would be doing the same thing. Also remember the saying "What goes around comes around." You might not know it but that person will be paid back. I think the judge was thinking that since there isn't a care facility for the animals it would be better to just keep them where they were. I didn't say I agree with his decision. I live in MI so the winter can be brutal on animals, but I don't know what it is like where you live. I am just hoping that the weather will remain decent until action can be taken. Others have excellent advice and I hope you get the attention to solve this problem and future situations like this. If writing anyone to help you with this you can count me in. Just let me know the details - this is just another problem that we (who have equine) need to work out.
Posted 2009-01-17 11:06 AM (#97667 - in reply to #96395) Subject: RE: Help!!
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Sadly, by feeding and watering his horses, you are not helping the case against him. If the judge does send someone out to check on the animals they are going to find feed and water and you know this guy is going to take credit for that. There are no easy answers and it would be hard to watch animals die in order for the judge to get off his ass and do his job, but sadly that seems to be where are legal system is in most States.
I would say make an offer for the animals, but rehabbing and rehoming horses is expensive and not easy. Otherwise, hard as it is, stop feeding his animals unless you can get him to pay you to care for his animals.
What you can do is keep a photographic record of the animals and post them on the internet for the world to see. One tip is do not trespass to get the pictures as they may not be admissible should legal action be sought against him. Only take pictures from your property, neighbors property that you have permission to be on, and public space, such as the road.
Posted 2009-01-17 2:44 PM (#97669 - in reply to #96395) Subject: RE: Help!!
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The problem with re-homing these animals is that their breeding and conformation is so poor that no one would want them. A couple of the mules are decent looking, but the two fillies are so poorly bred that they are never going to have the conformation anyone would be looking for. The saddest part of all this is that this man owns a really scruffy stallion which he breeds to anything, even it's own daughters and grand daughters. He doesn't bother to separate the fillies from their sire, leading to a horrendous case of inbreeding.
These animals, regardless of their breeding, are still living creatures and deserve to be cared for. They say that there is no law against stupidity. Must be so, because this guy is unbelievably dumb and gets away with it.
I do have some pics, and if I can figure out how to post them here I will do so. Thanks to all for the replies and suggestions. I will follow up on each of them.
Posted 2009-01-17 4:01 PM (#97672 - in reply to #97669) Subject: RE: Help!!
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Originally written by Marla on 2009-01-17 3:44 PM
The problem with re-homing these animals is that their breeding and conformation is so poor that no one would want them.
I have one of those types as a rescue - she is quite a handful - one day she will try to kill you and the next you are her best friend. But she makes a wonderful 'pasture ornament'. She is in her 20's and has a forever home with me - I wanted to make her final years on earth happy ones (with lots of food). When she passes on, I will get another rescue. But I do understand that homes like mine are hard to find. Best of luck. I hope you try the Fugly website - they really do have a great network to rescue horses around the U.S.and will be able to help you if they can.
Posted 2009-01-17 6:15 PM (#97677 - in reply to #96395) Subject: RE: Help!!
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Before you "open mouth" and insert foot, are you sure the animals are in need? If this has been going on for years and none of them have died or are in extremely poor health they may simply be on a diet. Better for them to be a bit on the thin side as obese. I see a lot more obese horses than any other, and that is really animal abuse.
Posted 2009-01-18 1:27 PM (#97706 - in reply to #97677) Subject: RE: Help!!
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Several of his animals have died, and no, this is not just a diet. The animals are woefully thin and have swollen, bulging bellies from eating the extremely coarse dried weed stalks which is their only sustenance. Being left without water for days at a time is not "dieting." It is animal abuse. I would like to see this man get a terminal overdose of his own medicine