I have been asked to consider delivering a horse for someone. I was wondering what is the going rate per loaded mile and/or unloaded mile. One way is about 260 miles. Any information would be appreciated on knowing how much to charge if I dedcide to do this. Thanks.
Posted 2008-08-21 9:48 PM (#90154 - in reply to #90147) Subject: RE: mileage rate
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Posts: 105 Location: parker, co.
Be very carefull if you do this as there is a liability issue. Also most insurance policies state that if you get in an accident and it is being used as a business, they will NOT cover the damage.
Posted 2008-08-21 10:21 PM (#90157 - in reply to #90147) Subject: RE: mileage rate
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Posts: 5870 Location: western PA
Most homeowner's insurance policies specifically exclude large animals and "car pooling". Check your policies with your agent before you decide to haul.
Posted 2008-08-22 5:09 AM (#90169 - in reply to #90147) Subject: RE: mileage rate
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Posts: 3802 Location: Rocky Mount N.C.
Say if you charged a dollar a mile for the round trip. 520 miles x $1.00 per mile = $520.00 total.... You're going to spend $200.00+ of that on fuel. What if you blow a tire? loose a wheel bearing? It's going to take you approx. 10 hours or better to do the trip, not counting the time loading, unloading, hitching and unhitching from the trailer. Your time is worth something...... What's the horse going to tear up on your trailer? Is he a kicker, stomper, cribber? Do you really want to do this?... Think about it.
Posted 2008-08-22 6:35 AM (#90172 - in reply to #90147) Subject: RE: mileage rate
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Posts: 317 Location: Barnesville, Ga.
Ok, let me start again. First I am not wanting to get into the horse hauling business. The horse to be delivered is an pony from the lesson barn where my daughter has taken lessons for 2-3 years. I know the pony and he is not destructive and hauls well. The seller does not have a trailer to make the trip nor the time to deliver him due to working a daily job in addition to her lesson barn. The seller is late in a pregnancy and does not need to make this trip. Regardless of who delivers the horse I was trying to find out a mileage rate for whoever hauls the pony. The seller does not want to have someone she does not know or trust haul the pony and I can't blame her. I know there are risks and that things can happen on the road; but just trying to help a friend and maybe make a little money at the same time. It is not something I plan to do for a living. I have a good truck and reliable trailer and the trip is mostly interstate. I just wanted an idea of what to charge if I decide to do this. Thanks.
Posted 2008-08-22 7:19 AM (#90173 - in reply to #90147) Subject: RE: mileage rate
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Posts: 1283 Location: Home of Wild Turkey Whiskey
I would say that $1.00 a mile would cover expenses, and if it where a friend of mine that's what I would charge. If you are wanting to pocket some cash out of the deal you would go up from there.
Posted 2008-08-22 10:41 AM (#90190 - in reply to #90147) Subject: RE: mileage rate
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Posts: 5870 Location: western PA
The best time to find out if you have insurance coverage is before there is an accident. Be very careful hauling or handling anyone elses animals, until you have proper, verified, coverage. Helping someone out, and just doing a favour could be very expensive.
Posted 2008-08-22 11:28 AM (#90192 - in reply to #90147) Subject: RE: mileage rate
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Posts: 1283 Location: Home of Wild Turkey Whiskey
Only you know how good a friend you have in her, if she is a good friend, then she will be very appreciative for you helping her out. I try to error on the side of my friends, not the lawyers.
Posted 2008-08-22 11:32 AM (#90194 - in reply to #90147) Subject: RE: mileage rate
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Posts: 58 Location: Foley, MO
Well, I've never lied to an insurance company, but if I ever did it would go something like this...
I was haulling my daughter's lesson pony we sold to another barn out of state and XXX happened. Here's the accident report. Send me my check.
Keep it simple. If it were me, I'd charge a reasonable price for hauling and handling...$1.00 sounds about right. If it's a friend and you're doing a favor, keep the price reasonable.
Posted 2008-08-22 11:55 AM (#90197 - in reply to #90147) Subject: RE: mileage rate
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Posts: 1391 Location: North of Detroit, MI
Use Mapquest and determine the mileage.
Then using your known MPG, compute how many gallons of fuel. Add 5% to cover getting to the originating farm, getting lost, stopping for food, etc.
Then, add something appropriate for your time & wear & tear on your rig.
$1 a mile as been the standard for quite a while now. I'm not sure if that really covers all costs involved anymore.
I agree with the potential liability issues. You need to, AT A MINIMUM, have a verbal discussion about who pays for vet in the event of injuries to the horse, and who pays for repairs, in the event of injuries to your rig.
AND... if the pony has been sold to the buyer already - then you MUST make these agreements WITH THE BUYER - not your friend who is the seller.
Posted 2008-08-22 12:58 PM (#90203 - in reply to #90147) Subject: RE: mileage rate
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Posts: 105 Location: parker, co.
If you charge anything for taking the pony, the insurance co. can and will consider it business use and it may not be covered. Just be sure to cover all your bases....
Posted 2008-08-22 1:13 PM (#90205 - in reply to #90147) Subject: RE: mileage rate
Location: Georgia
Maybe figure up your cost at $1.50/mile and swap out the amount in lessons. Your daughter gets more lessons, your friend is not out any cash, and the lessons will cost you less, everybody wins. In case of an accident you can state you received no money for the trip.
Posted 2008-08-22 8:07 PM (#90218 - in reply to #90205) Subject: RE: mileage rate
Location: Kentucky
Good luck on your decision and, if you go, your trip! It's nice to know there are some folks out there still willing to help out a friend. I trust all will turn out well for everyone.
Posted 2008-08-22 8:39 PM (#90219 - in reply to #90147) Subject: RE: mileage rate
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Posts: 317 Location: Barnesville, Ga.
Thanks for all the suggestions. We have not decided what to do about delivering the pony yet or who will take him. I'm just trying to help her out; she has taught my kids so much and I know she is unable to deliver him herself.
Posted 2008-08-22 9:11 PM (#90222 - in reply to #90147) Subject: RE: mileage rate
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Posts: 1283 Location: Home of Wild Turkey Whiskey
You sound very appreciative for what she has done for you and your family, I feel that she will feel just as appreciative towards you. I say haul the girls pony and don't worry about the lawyers.
Posted 2008-08-26 1:25 PM (#90429 - in reply to #90147) Subject: RE: mileage rate
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Posts: 85 Location: Ocala, FL
As soon s you haul a horse for any money (even gas money) you are hauling commercially and special insurance is required. Your auto/trailer insurance will NOT cover you. If something really bad happens and the horse is injured or dies ........... then what???? Is the buyer going to sue you? or report you????? You could lose a great deal by trying to help a friend. If you are indeed trying to help a friend, why are you also trying to make money? Your "friend" should hire a professional, properly insured hauler.
Posted 2008-08-26 4:36 PM (#90440 - in reply to #90147) Subject: RE: mileage rate
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Posts: 317 Location: Barnesville, Ga.
I never imagined how much negative feedback this question would cause. Yes I know the risks and more that likely it won't be me to deliver the horse. Second believe it or not the seller does not even own a computer so she asked me to research what the going rate is to ship or haul a horse. And as far as hiring someone qualified and licensed as a hauler there is no in this area that does that. I am sure the pony will eventually make it to it's new home; I guess it's one of those things you never think about until the situation arises. I have always bought and sold locally so this is new for me. Thanks to the folks who seemed to understand that there are still folks out there who just want to help out a friend.
Posted 2008-08-26 6:58 PM (#90463 - in reply to #90147) Subject: RE: mileage rate
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Posts: 2828 Location: Southern New Mexico
Have the seller ride with you. Then she can pay for the gas and money never exchanges hands. No "commercial" problems. I've hauled for friends, but never people I dont know.
Posted 2008-08-27 10:31 PM (#90575 - in reply to #90429) Subject: RE: mileage rate
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Posts: 54 Location: Danielsville,Ga.
Originally written by Buffy111_99 on 2008-08-26 1:25 PM
As soon s you haul a horse for any money (even gas money) you are hauling commercially and special insurance is required. Your auto/trailer insurance will NOT cover you. If something really bad happens and the horse is injured or dies ........... then what???? Is the buyer going to sue you? or report you????? You could lose a great deal by trying to help a friend. If you are indeed trying to help a friend, why are you also trying to make money? Your "friend" should hire a professional, properly insuredhauler.
Two rules apply in this case number one: In the event something happens to the pony in transit,you have be proven negligent or at fault. Number two: The most they can collect under any scenario,is the amount they paid for the pony. Its not a big deal,haul the pony for your friend.
Posted 2008-08-28 6:34 AM (#90586 - in reply to #90147) Subject: RE: mileage rate
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Posts: 1069 Location: MI.
What does your gut tell you?.........If you want to help her, then do it. You sound to me like someone who if an incident occured in transit, would be able to word things accordingly as to minimalize any legal issues. One thing, have an open communucation with the seller about who pays the buyer (cost of the pony/vet bills etc.) if something were to occur in transit. Sorry, you don't want to ruin a friendship but certain aspects of this should be acknowledged. If she's a good friend she'll understand and won't be offended.
Posted 2008-08-28 12:10 PM (#90601 - in reply to #90586) Subject: RE: mileage rate
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Originally written by Gone on 2008-08-28 7:34 AM
What does your gut tell you?.........If you want to help her, then do it. You sound to me like someone who if an incident occured in transit, you would be able to word things accordingly as to minimalize any legal issues. One thing, have an open communucation with the seller about who pays the buyer (cost of the pony/vet bills etc.) if something were to occur in transit. Sorry, you don't want to ruin a friendship but certain aspects of this should be acknowledged. If she's a good friend she'll understand and won't be offended.
Exactly how I feel. "certain aspects of this should be acknowledged"
I've hauled friend's horses ... but it was always with the understanding that "stuff happens".
Posted 2008-08-28 4:47 PM (#90623 - in reply to #90147) Subject: RE: mileage rate
Location: KY
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there are bunches of ads by commercial haulers in the classifieds of all the horse magazines. You might call one or two and find out how much they charge. Also, one of them may be going the same way as the pony and can add it to the van. Really I kind of agree with HWBAR in that since I am now retired (from being a lawyer) maybe I should come get the pony.....
Anyway, I would do it for a friend for the cost of the fuel. jmho