Posted 2005-07-11 12:13 PM (#27896 - in reply to #27195) Subject: re: horse that paws..
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Posts: 55 Location: Kingston, Ontario
I don't travel with him much right now...but if he settles, will be on the road more...I don't know if he is frightened...when we were out with him yesterday, only one car went by!Before I left, quietly eating out of hay net, before I left the driveway, he'd started pawing....
Posted 2005-07-11 12:20 PM (#27898 - in reply to #27896) Subject: re: horse that paws..
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Posts: 2828 Location: Southern New Mexico
Maybe he just needs more trailer time. I have one that paws everytime we come to a stop, but I think he is just impatient. Or hot and wants a breeze. Maybe your horse doesn't like the wind. There are just to many possibilities, but I would give him more trailer time even with the pawing. If he thinks the pawing is getting him out of riding in the trailer, he will keep it up.
Posted 2005-09-13 2:13 PM (#30296 - in reply to #27195) Subject: re: update on horse that paws
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Posts: 55 Location: Kingston, Ontario
Well,Here's what's happened...I rode in the back of the trailer while a friend drove in circles around my yard....When he pawed, I would smack him, when he stopped, I would pat him and try to reward him.He stopped pawing....while I was there , but the minute we were on the road and I was back in the truck, he would paw again.So, I decided to use a dog training collar.I really did not want to resort to this, but I didn't want my trailer damaged ..it already had some scapes from hi abuse...I tied the collar on his neck and had it on a med low setting.I started out with him tied in his stall...he never pawed!Then tried it with him tied to a post in the paddock..he stood like rock.SO, into the trailer he went...within 2 mins he was pawing so I pushed the button on the remote.... there was a little scrambling that went on...then silence. I peeked into the trailer and he was standing rock still...ahhhhhh good pony..here's a carrot!So, started down the road....he pawed once...I hit the button again...Heard a little scrambling then nothing.I have had him in the trailer 2X's since then...no pawing....YAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!This seemed a little extreme, but it seems to have worked...This is a good horse who wasn't mean or stupid, just immature and inpatient....This may not have worked on a more hyper or high-stung animal, but it seems to have worked on him... so I will keep my fingers crossed ( and the "remote" in my pocket!)
Posted 2005-09-13 7:37 PM (#30341 - in reply to #27195) Subject: RE: How to stop a horse that "paws"
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Posts: 489 Location: CA
Interesting results! Sounds great! When my mare first started kicking in the trailer a friend recommended using a "bark" collar, which assumes the kicking would set the collar off the same way a bark would. I still haven't tried it and still don't trailer the mare. Maybe I should rethink that one....hmmmmm.
Posted 2005-09-14 8:38 AM (#30355 - in reply to #27195) Subject: RE: How to stop a horse that "paws"
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I'm glad to know people actually use them and that they work. I have seen the ones made for horses but never listened to a report of them working. Now can I fit my students with them, or will their parents complain?
I've also wondered about those dog collars that shock when the animal leaves within a set radius of the "central device." Would that work for children in public? Mom just places the "central device" in her purse and when the kids start to roam and they get too far, WHAMMO! I would think it would be far superior to the "kiddy leash" type of thing you see out today.
Posted 2005-09-15 10:23 AM (#30413 - in reply to #27195) Subject: re: bark collar
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Posts: 55 Location: Kingston, Ontario
I had an offer of a bark collar to use on the "pawing" pony, but felt that it wouldn't be useful since his pawing on a rubber trailer mat may not be sufficiant to activate the signal.The training collar seems to have worked, but you really have to be prepared to push the botton asap...since punishment must be during the episode of bad manners...But, maybe the bark collar may work for kicking.(loud in a trailer)..as long as it produces a "quick" zap!I am thankful that this horse only pawed (it can do enough damage)...kicking would do far more...Good luck....ps....I also use the invisible fence for my dog..it works well(as long as the battery doesn't die!)Or dog jumps in pool and kills batteryOr if the dog is a Jack Russell Terror who really wants out after that darn squirrel!!!!!LOL***
Posted 2006-05-10 11:56 PM (#41587 - in reply to #27233) Subject: RE: How to stop a horse that "paws"
I just bought a 9 yr paint mare and loaded her for the first time for a trip to vet . They told me she was bad in trailer , but didn't say why . She wasn't bad to load , but when we tried to tie her she went crazy and jurked the lead out of my hands and jumped out of the trailer . We loaded her again and she tried it again , we got her tied first and she started pawing and pushed me into corner . She was hopping and pawing and starting kicking at the walls . It was a stock trailer , thankfully and I got out side door . When we unloaded her she did the same thing and tried to jump out fast .Stood like a champ in the stocks , then loaded right up again with out anyone going in with her . I held her while the door was shut , and she started the pawing , kicking again . Don't know if this was the right thing to do , but we untied her and put water and hay in trailer and left her in it over night . The moment we left her alone she stopped pawing and started eating her hay and we didn't hear a sound all night .Let her out the next morning and walked her around and then loaded her up and unloaded her 3 or 4 times and haven't had any trouble with her since .
Posted 2006-05-11 10:11 PM (#41625 - in reply to #27898) Subject: re: horse that paws..
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Posts: 94 Location: Minnesota
A word of caution: be careful with the use of a haynet with a pawing horse. My horse has pawed his leg over the triangle-shaped snap-in corner feeder in my trailer on 2 occasions.
Now I do not use the feeder, but tie a hay bag up real high. I refuse to use a net after seeing a wreck with one (someone else's horse).
Posted 2006-05-12 1:47 AM (#41626 - in reply to #27195) Subject: RE: How to stop a horse that "paws"
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Posts: 189 Location: nashville, In.
Have you tried a kick chain? This will work on either one that paws or kicks. Take a dog collar and fasten it above the knee or hock. Snap a chain (like is used on the end of a lead) on it. When the horse paws or kicks, it punishes itself.
Posted 2006-05-12 7:34 AM (#41631 - in reply to #27195) Subject: RE: How to stop a horse that "paws"
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Posts: 41 Location: Merrillville, Indiana
I don't have a cure, but sure know what you're going through. Daughter has a 17 year old mare that we've had 15 years. This horse has never stopped pawing and kicking in the trailer. Two weeks ago she went nuts in our new American Spirit trailer. Now I get to spend some time and money to repair the damage. If it was up to me the mare would never look at another trailer.
Posted 2006-05-12 6:06 PM (#41645 - in reply to #27195) Subject: RE: How to stop a horse that "paws"
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Posts: 45 Location: Midwest
I had a mare that loaded like a dream but when in the trailer pawed at our door and what i did was i feed her very VERY high quality hay in her trailer bag and about 4 ounces of grain and she was awesome! it worked for me it should work for you!
Posted 2006-05-16 10:13 AM (#41781 - in reply to #27195) Subject: RE: How to stop a horse that "paws"
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Posts: 113 Location: Lyons Oregon
some horses freak at being tied in a trailer because they've been tied too short and the ride was hell. Make sure they can move their head comfortably without getting turned around. Also a shock collar activated by sound seems like a very bad idea in a trailer. If someone should honk their horn or a big truck pass by ect... it would only teach the horse to associate bad things with the trailer or with sound. The kind you hand operate would be the better choice. I had pretty good luck with working a horse every time he pawed. It exhausted me though. A cowboy pal of mine tried hobbles on him and tried tying up one foot. They both worked but were a pain and of course wouldn't work in a trailer. I devoted an entire day to working him on ground manners every time he pawed. It seemed like he couldn't stop himself-- like cribbing-- but eventually the light bulb went on and he stopped. If you go this route, get some help and take turns!
Posted 2006-08-18 12:15 AM (#46891 - in reply to #46830) Subject: RE: How to stop a horse that "paws"
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Posts: 385 Location: washington
Okay, so this is related in a round-about sort of way - My horse was tied to the trailer after a ride. I unsaddled him and was letting him rest a bit before loading up to go home. He began to paw a little and I scolded him and kept brushing, then put everything away and loaded up. I came out of my trailer and a really weird guy was right there-he came out of nowhere. I said "Whoa". Not what you want to encounter when there are not alot of other folks around. He came up to me, held his finger up and asked in a strange quiet way "why do they paw?" Trying not to show how freaked out I was, I told him the horse was either nervous, impatient or bored. He said "Exactly. Sometimes when I am nagging in a negative way, I too will paw" and he made a pawing gesture with his hand... Oooookay- that's my cue to get the heck outta there. I said "oh, that's nice. See you later." Now whenever I see or read about horses pawing, I will think of this weirdo. Now that I think about it, is there any other way to nag other than a negative way?
Posted 2006-08-21 4:53 PM (#47093 - in reply to #27195) Subject: RE: How to stop a horse that "paws"
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Posts: 385 Location: high desert, CA.
How bizarre!! Sure wish I could get Siseley to kick on command, I would kick the living daylites out of a couple of Dirt bikers in my neighborhood!! Also those folks that leave their dogs loose at nite and they tip over trashcans. Or the inconsiderate people who let their kids just run screaming up to any horse and expect the horse not to react!
Posted 2006-08-22 6:16 AM (#47109 - in reply to #27195) Subject: RE: How to stop a horse that "paws"
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Posts: 1205 Location: Danielsville Georgia
I was at this old horse traders place one Saturday.He also pasture boards(has a 100 acres) Middle age guy drives up in all things a Chevite.Dressed in street clothes.Gets a saddle and bridel out after minor small talk pickes them up and goes to the gate,goes in the pasture carring saddle/bridle and starts waking.While later he comes back riding a pale yellow bad toed in gelding.Gets off and leads him over to the Old horse trader and I. He says he's MAD.Someones been riding HIS horse.Old man says Naw and what makes you think that.Well horses mane is in KNOTS with a big one near the wither.Someone did that on purpose for a hand hold! Old horse trader told me the guy had owned that pale gelding about five years and only appeared about every 6 months.Said he asked him once why he toted his saddle all over that hundered acres instead of catching the horse FIRST.Said he never got a answer.I was like WOW.How strange.He never did believe us that the KNOTS were from a lack of grooming and a person did not put them there for a hand hold.
Posted 2006-10-01 7:24 PM (#49484 - in reply to #46717) Subject: RE: How to stop a horse that "paws"
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Originally written by SLICKRNSNOT on 2006-08-16 9:56 AM
This one used to paw.
I'm using my hubby's username but had to post to this....I cannot quit laughing!"quarter horse""half-linger""made for short trailers"Oh jeez I am choking from laughter!OH..everyone about the pawing....Thanks SO MUCH!I've got a mare that has inherited the pawing. Only when it's time to eat.
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How bizarre!! Sure wish I could get Siseley to kick on command, I would kick the living daylites out of a couple of Dirt bikers in my neighborhood!! Also those folks that leave their dogs loose at nite and they tip over trashcans. Or the inconsiderate people who let their kids just run screaming up to any horse and expect the horse not to react! 