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horsin around
Reg. Jun 2005
Posted 2012-12-31 11:17 AM (#149053)
Subject: Winter storage and batteries


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This summer we built a new barn where now I'm able to store my horsetrailer inside for the winter.  In the past I've had the batteries pulled out and put in my semi-heated garage and was wondering if I still need to pull the batteries and would you advise to leave the trailer plugged in if I do?  Does it hurt anything to leave my trailer plugged into electric?

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gard
Reg. Aug 2007
Posted 2012-12-31 1:47 PM (#149057 - in reply to #149053)
Subject: RE: Winter storage and batteries


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Reg. Jun 2005
Posted 2013-01-01 9:40 AM (#149068 - in reply to #149053)
Subject: RE: Winter storage and batteries


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Thanks Gard for the information, I was hoping you'd answer me. I bought these batteries new this last summer so I'd like to keep them around for awhile.

I have a 1997 Sidekick and had my electrical looked over and serviced in the fall of 2011 and everything seems to be working fine but it is an older system. So if I'm understanding this right, I'd be better off not to leave my trailer plugged in, to buy one of the chargers you've recommended and I could get away with one charger for two batteries.

With it being 12 degrees today I probably still would be better off to leave the trailer plugged in until I can do something different?

Thanks!!
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gard
Reg. Aug 2007
Posted 2013-01-01 10:22 AM (#149069 - in reply to #149053)
Subject: RE: Winter storage and batteries


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Depending upon the age of your trailer, you may or may not have a converter, that allows a maintenance charging system for your batteries. Our Sidekick did not. The result was, if the power were constantly applied through the shore cord, the batteries would become over charged when no load was applied to deplete them. The system was adequate when it was actively being used, but not for long term storage.

A charged battery with no drain, can maintain a charge for a month or more in very cold weather. Every time the temperature drops, it's not necessary to recharge it. However, if there are parasitic losses or the battery is aged, then as its voltage drops, it can become more suscepatble to freezing and damage.

As I previously mentioned, some battery maintenance chargers are quite inexpensive and have worked well for my needs. The battery lives of my LQ batteries have been the same as my automobiles, one is now seven years old. It takes only a short time to disconnect the B+ lead, and clip on the charger. In the Spring, the reverse is effected, the water is checked, and another season starts. The various trailers' electrical systems have not been constantly powered, which reduces the probability of component failures.

Even with converters having maintenance capabilities, I have chosen to use aux maintence chargers, instead of the expensive built in converters for long term cold storage. Even after replacing and updating the converter in the Sidekick, it was subsequently stored whilst using a maintenance charger. I've been successful and pleased with the results.

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horsin around
Reg. Jun 2005
Posted 2013-01-02 5:43 PM (#149101 - in reply to #149053)
Subject: RE: Winter storage and batteries


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I talked with they guy that works on my trailer at the RV dealership and he said I do have a converter and I also have a switch to shut down the system.  He suggested to fully charge the batteries and then use the shut off switch.  I would think I could have a problem with the battery loosing charge after time and then having a problems not knowing.  The safest route sounds like having a charger put on.

As always thanks for your knowlege and help!!

 

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gard
Reg. Aug 2007
Posted 2013-01-02 10:09 PM (#149104 - in reply to #149053)
Subject: RE: Winter storage and batteries


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http://www.harborfreight.com/automatic-battery-float-charger-42292.html

This is currently on sale for $4.99. Item # 42292, coupon #98472441

Yes your trailer has a converter, but does the converter have a 3 step battery maintenance ability?



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dkhunter04
Reg. Oct 2008
Posted 2013-01-03 8:15 AM (#149105 - in reply to #149053)
Subject: RE: Winter storage and batteries


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I recently looked into the inexpensive float chargers from Harbor Freight that Gard mentioned above.  Looking at their website I found the user ratings for this product to be less than stellar.  When multiple ratings are negative I usually take notice, especially when the poster "claims" the product either didn't work or supposedly ruined their batteries.  Worth checking out for yourself before purchasing. 
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hosspuller
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2013-01-03 11:04 AM (#149111 - in reply to #149053)
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The situation is complicated by two batteries.  The float chargers stop when the voltage rises to the preset limit.  If one of the pair doesn't take the charge, it draws the voltage down, the charger keeps charging, and the other battery get over charged.

In another situation, two batteries connected in parallel will discharge each other.

Two 12 volt batteries are cheap (relatively!) but cause structural problems in 12 volt systems.

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gard
Reg. Aug 2007
Posted 2013-01-03 11:33 AM (#149112 - in reply to #149053)
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"I recently looked into the inexpensive float chargers from Harbor Freight that Gard mentioned above.  Looking at their website I found the user ratings for this product to be less than stellar.  When multiple ratings are negative I usually take notice, especially when the poster "claims" the product either didn't work or supposedly ruined their batteries.  Worth checking out for yourself before purchasing".

I included the mention of this product, because I have owned and used four of them for several years and have enjoyed perfect reliability and maintenance. Prior to their acquisition I purchased two "Battery Tenders" at a cost of over thirty dolars each, that now sell for about $40 each. Both of these brands have worked equally well and are interchangeable in their service.

Any expenditure should involve research. I had hoped my experiences would help others towards that goal. If my usage had been anything less than acceptable, I would not have taken the time to promote a product that would harm anyone's property. Whenever possible, my pre purchase research is biased towards the testimony of owners with the product of which I'm contemplating. There are various reasons why some people find a product acceptable while others don't. In addition, any electronic device can fail at any time for a multitude of reasons. My neighbour's recommendation was enough that I tried the HF brand.

Spending $5 to save a $100 + battery seems a bargan to me. Spending $40 to save a $100 battery is still a good bargan. Your choice.

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trot-on
Reg. Dec 2009
Posted 2013-01-04 9:51 PM (#149127 - in reply to #149053)
Subject: RE: Winter storage and batteries


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Change from a cabover camper to LQ this year. I never worried about the camper battery, as we were using the truck all winter, and camper never came off. We don't have hard winters in TX, and ride year round...But, now with the LQ, the batteries are mounted up front like most, and more exposed to the cold than the camper battery was. We still use the trailer at least 1X a month through winter. I have a solar charger on the trailer. Will this work to keep the batteries in good condition thru the winter? Our cold is sometimes in the teens, but usually only a day or so. Just below freezing at night for many nights in Jan. and Feb.
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PaulChristenson
Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2013-01-04 10:08 PM (#149128 - in reply to #149053)
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Everything you wanted to know about batteries...
http://www.batteryfaq.org/
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d2allen
Reg. Jan 2011
Posted 2013-01-05 10:45 AM (#149131 - in reply to #149057)
Subject: RE: Winter storage and batteries


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I bought a battery tender for my 2011 l.q. trailer batteries (2). After hooking up the battery tender to the batteries and plugging it in, do I leave the main power switch to the trailer on or off?d2allen
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gard
Reg. Aug 2007
Posted 2013-01-05 11:02 AM (#149132 - in reply to #149053)
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You will leave the battery switch to your LQ in the OFF position. To prevent any parasitic loads on the batteries, you can also pull the B+ lead. Leave the cross over lead between the batteries in place. Removing the trailer lead will completely isolate the batteries from the trailer. The battery tender will then maintain the batteries until you again need them.
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d2allen
Reg. Jan 2011
Posted 2013-01-05 11:29 AM (#149133 - in reply to #149132)
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Thank you so much! I had the power switch on and will go out and turn it off immediately. This is such helpful information on battery maintenance. We have a lot of batteries around here and it seems like one is always going bad. Now I know how to better care for them. d2allen
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horsin around
Reg. Jun 2005
Posted 2013-01-12 10:38 AM (#149272 - in reply to #149053)
Subject: RE: Winter storage and batteries


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Gard,

What is a 3 step battery maintenance?  I really don't know what I have other than what he told me that I have a converter and it's built in the fuse box/breaker box system.

Thanks!

 

 



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gard
Reg. Aug 2007
Posted 2013-01-13 12:33 AM (#149291 - in reply to #149053)
Subject: RE: Winter storage and batteries


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A three stage charger will vary the recharging voltage to the battery, depending upon how depleted it is. If it is very low, the charging voltage can be a high as 14.4 volts. If you are using the LQ, it may charge at 13.6 volts, and if it's fully charged, the charger may drop to 13.2 volts.

A maintenance charger goes another step. If the battery recharging needs are very small and the charging only requires milliamps, the charger will temporarly shut off, and then reset if the battery's needs increase. This is a long term maintenance step, some of the older converters do not include. Some of the older converters are nothing more than fancy battery chargers, that if left alone, can overcharge and sulfate the battery.

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horsin around
Reg. Jun 2005
Posted 2013-01-13 7:47 PM (#149308 - in reply to #149291)
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Thanks for answering, that's good to know. Next time I have the trailer serviced, I'll have to ask if they can tell me.
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Reg. Jan 2013
Posted 2013-01-14 2:04 AM (#149326 - in reply to #149053)
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With it being 12 degrees today I probably still would be better off to leave the trailer plugged in until I can do something different?_____________________Falling Skies Season 2 DVD
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Rockinghorserun
Reg. Feb 2006
Posted 2013-03-31 11:05 PM (#151010 - in reply to #149053)
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I have an older trailer that does not have the battery charger. My truck will charge the battery but not 110V. I bought a 3 stage battery tender and it plugs into the electric breaker in the trailer. My question is can I keep this attached to the battery year around and do I have to leave the battery box cover off when charging.
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Saddleup
Reg. Apr 2012
Posted 2013-04-01 6:54 AM (#151016 - in reply to #149053)
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Just put a solar panel on, 30 watt panel, which is about 2 amp charge., your good for all winter. It will maintain your batteries even in very cold weather.  I use solar on three different outfits, all winter. We get pretty cold winters, and batteries are always still fully charged in spring. No messing  with electrical cords ,and everything stays outside if you want.
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Rockinghorserun
Reg. Feb 2006
Posted 2013-04-01 8:38 AM (#151020 - in reply to #149053)
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Thanks about the solar. Have been thinking of that. My battery is inside the tack area in back. Can I just hook the wires thru the battery cover for either the solar or 110v battery tender or does it need the cover off to charge?
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Saddleup
Reg. Apr 2012
Posted 2013-04-01 9:36 AM (#151021 - in reply to #149053)
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With a minimum charge.. maintenance charge of less than 2 amps there is no need to remove battery covers I have found. The solar panels are available thru most automotive stores and usually come with various kinds of clips for the battery. This works best for me as once I hook it up in the fall, its good for all winter, just add some distilled water to your batteries in the spring if they are not the sealed type. I made a clamp that attaches the solar panel to the outer frame of the trailer window. I did the same for my motorhome and in both units maintain two batteries each. I have been using solar chargers for about 5 years now, and they sure do the job. I used to pull the batteries in fall and keep in warm shop over winter, this just eliminates all that.
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