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Terri
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2008-04-16 5:59 PM (#82124)
Subject: diesel



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Ok, I know this isn't a truck forum, but right now I am to tired to find one.  My husband bought a mototcycle so I have been driving our car instead of my truck.  My quiestion is, will diesel go bad like gas will?  I don't want to cause problems by NOT driving my truck.
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wendmil
Reg. Aug 2006
Posted 2008-04-16 6:03 PM (#82125 - in reply to #82124)
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My brother is a truck driver and when I bought my sister-in-law's Dodge Ram from her he told me to always use the diesel additive/stabilizer/octane booster stuff and keeps the diesel from gelling.  Right now the name escapes me, but it comes in two types.  One is in a square white bottle and the other in a silver square bottle.  He swears by it and since my raggedy old truck is still going, I guess I kinda do too.

Course I'm open to hearing what everyone else has to say.  Good, bad?  Any better suggestions?  Anything that saves diesel and wear and tear on my Cummins I'm open for. 



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Terri
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2008-04-16 6:38 PM (#82129 - in reply to #82125)
Subject: RE: diesel



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The Cetane(sp?) stuff?  I use that and I've actually got a bit better fuel mileage with it but it doesn't say that it is a stabelizer.  It just talks about they fuel milegae and non gelling properties.  (and yes, I paid extra for the talking bottle!

 

Went out and found the bottle.  It's the white one that says diesel fuel supplement + cetane boost.



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Spooler
Reg. Aug 2006
Posted 2008-04-16 6:45 PM (#82130 - in reply to #82124)
Subject: RE: diesel


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Biggest problem with diesel that sits around is water getting in it and algae forming in the tank. Best thing to do is park it with a full tank of fuel to make sure the rollover valves are closed.  No water intrusion, no problem. You can put some power service (silver bottle) in it or some algacide if you want but you shouldn't have a problem.
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Terri
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2008-04-16 7:00 PM (#82131 - in reply to #82130)
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It's sitting at about 3/4 of a tank and has the stuff from the white bottle in it.  I still dirve it ocassionally, I'm gonna hafta go get hay soon.  What is the stuff for the algae?  Once we get hay I predict that it will sit most of the summer.  Probally just driven once a month about 10 (round trip) to the local gymkahanas. 
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gard
Reg. Aug 2007
Posted 2008-04-16 7:36 PM (#82133 - in reply to #82124)
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If you run your truck once a month you should have no problem. Gelling is caused by cold temperatures in the winter. I've used a product called Stabil in cars and one diesel tractor that I store unused all winter, with no problems in the Spring. During the winter my truck and one tractor are used infrequently, and with no additives besides Marvel Mystery Oil, I have never had any fuel problems.

Gard

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Terri
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2008-04-16 7:50 PM (#82135 - in reply to #82133)
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Moving further north is why I started using the PS in the tank.  I've always lived in a warm.... well ok, hot climate and was parinoid about the truck starting and the diesel gelling up.  What is the marvel mystery oil?

 

Thanks for all the info by the way.

 

 

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Towfoo
Reg. Jan 2008
Posted 2008-04-16 8:53 PM (#82138 - in reply to #82124)
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Here's what BP says about diesel storage:

http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/australia/corporate_austra...
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Terri
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2008-04-16 9:04 PM (#82139 - in reply to #82138)
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That's good info, but is geared to large storage tanks.  My truck is only 36 gallons.  I was just worried that my lines and such would get gummed up like on lawn equipment that isn't used regularly.  It's a pain fixing a lawn mower or weedeater, I'd hate to see the price of fixing a diesel engine because of fouled lines.
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Towfoo
Reg. Jan 2008
Posted 2008-04-16 9:13 PM (#82140 - in reply to #82139)
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The shelf life info applies exactly the same to diesel in your truck's tank. Only the part about prolonging storage life is for large storage tanks.
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gard
Reg. Aug 2007
Posted 2008-04-16 10:24 PM (#82143 - in reply to #82124)
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Stabil is a product I've used for a number of years. My boats are stored 7 months a year, my diesel lawnmower is stored 5 months a year, two of my cars are stored 6 months a year. Using this product, none of these engines has had a fuel gelling problem or any contamination issues. Restarting the motors after storage is immediate, and there are no driveability issues.

When I first started working as a mechanic on imported cars, Mercedes diesels had injector issues, with contaminated tips causing spray pattern problems. The fix was to pull the injectors and manually clean them every 20k miles. We started to recommended that the owners, add some Marvel Mystery Oil to every other tank of diesel fuel. They did, and every owner that had their injectors checked at the next maintenance schedule, had clean injectors. The manual cleaning was stopped for the owners using the oil additive.

Using this additive in every diesel I've owned since, has become the norm for me. In addition, with the new diesel fuel, the additive that lubricates the injectors has been reduced. Just as when unleaded gas became the norm, new cars had to have different valves and valve guides installed, to make up for the lack of the lead lubricant. My PS diesel is of the old design, and I want the injectors and valves to have the best protection I can afford.

In both of my old cars and my four diesels, I routinely use the Marvel Mystery Oil as a top cylinder lubricant and cleaning agent. It has worked flawlessly.

With these two additives, I have had no fuel maintenance issues of any kind, in any number of engines.

Gard

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PaulChristenson
Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2008-04-17 1:14 AM (#82153 - in reply to #82135)
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Originally written by Terri on 2008-04-16 8:50 PM

 What is the marvel mystery oil? 

A waste of money...

http://inchoate.harm.org/~halbritt/dodge/Diesel%20Fuel%20Additive%20V3.pdf Check Page 9!!

And if you have a GM Duramax...NO additives are required or acceptable under the warranty...



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Towfoo
Reg. Jan 2008
Posted 2008-04-17 7:22 AM (#82155 - in reply to #82143)
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MMO and Stabil are both solvents. MMO is mostly naptha with some mineral spirits in there. Stabil is mineral spirits with some alcohol and other emulsifiers. They'll both clean gum and varnish deposits, but they'll actually lower lubricity of ULSD. I wouldn't use either in a modern diesel.
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greyhorse
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Posted 2008-04-17 8:14 AM (#82162 - in reply to #82124)
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To add my 2ยข, I would be more concerned with making sure the batteries stay fully charged if it's going to sit for a long time. There's always a small draw on the batteries so they do get lower and lower. Topping the tank off isn't a bad idea either.
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gard
Reg. Aug 2007
Posted 2008-04-17 8:44 AM (#82165 - in reply to #82124)
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Since my diesels aren't technically modern, and these products have proven their worth for me in both gas and diesel motors for many decades, I will continue their usage.

Gard

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genebob
Reg. Nov 2007
Posted 2008-04-17 10:31 AM (#82175 - in reply to #82124)
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If you are driving it once a month or more, technically it's not sitting. When it's running and/or moving you are remixing the fuel and are getting the lubrication taken care of. I am in charge of a fleet of school buses and they actually sit for about three months a year. I have the drivers top[ off the tanks for the summer and change the fuel filter in the fall during regular preseason service. The main thing is you should let the engine warm up some if it has been setting for even a week. best to do it even daily. the best part of having a full tank though, is that you are hedging against the price increases.
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Terri
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2008-04-17 6:36 PM (#82196 - in reply to #82124)
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Thanks for all the info ya'll.  We got the motorcycle because the payment, insurance and 2 tanks of gas (3.7 gallons) is cheaper than the 2 tanks fof diesel I was going through every month.  And after 2 years its paid off and we have something to show for all that money we spent!!

I hate not driving my truck, but I HATE paying $4 a gallon for diesel.

 

 

 

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wendmil
Reg. Aug 2006
Posted 2008-04-17 8:16 PM (#82200 - in reply to #82124)
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Oh yeah, and for what it's worth, you may want to move it around once a week; not far but just enough to get the transmission fluid circulated.  I know this sounds weird, but I found that my Dodge (1996 2500 Ram) gets cranky if I let it sit too long.  She won't want to budge and I'll have to give her some fuel to get her moving.  She's always been like that, even with the newer rebuilt tranny.  My brother-in-law has a 1996 and his is like that also.  Don't know if any of the other brands or later Dodges are like that.  Any of the rest of you have any such problems?  Personally I'd be interested in your input.
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Terri
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2008-04-18 4:51 PM (#82232 - in reply to #82200)
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Originally written by wendmil on 2008-04-17 8:16 AM

Oh yeah, and for what it's worth, you may want to move it around once a week; not far but just enough to get the transmission fluid circulated.  I know this sounds weird, but I found that my Dodge (1996 2500 Ram) gets cranky if I let it sit too long.  She won't want to budge and I'll have to give her some fuel to get her moving.  She's always been like that, even with the newer rebuilt tranny.  My brother-in-law has a 1996 and his is like that also.  Don't know if any of the other brands or later Dodges are like that.  Any of the rest of you have any such problems?  Personally I'd be interested in your input.

 

 

My truck is a 2002 Dodge 2500 and it does that too.

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