Posted 2007-07-25 3:21 PM (#64395 - in reply to #64321) Subject: RE: Nice Horse for sale, need some help!
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Posts: 376 Location: Missouri
You want to sell the mare. She has been for sale on Dream Horse for almost 3 months and still for sale. Here is what I see. One, she is not a "show stopper" color. She is bald faced. A lot of folks don't like baldies. You say "Never been breed and doesn't have a noticable heat" and "You will make your money back on one foal out of her". You don't know what kind of a producer she is and from your statement, don't really know if she has ever come in season. Promoting her as brood stock in this manner, only reduces her saleability. If you don't know, don't say anything about it.
Four months of training and some show experience does not make a well trained, trail horse. Your best bet at selling her, based on what we see sell, is training. Will she side pass, half pass, back well? Can she be ridden with and without a bridle or halter? Will she follow well on the trail? Will she lead well? Can she follow a trail? How is she with spooks? How are her gaits, and does she take her leads well? Does she have an easy walk, trot and canter?
If she is registered you should have her actual DOB. Showing it as "UNK" doesn't help promote her as breeding stock. Show her complete pedigree.
If you have a good horse to sell, you have to tell the readers why she is worth what your asking.
Leave out what you don't know. Don't raise questions that are not already there.
Leave out priced to sell, that raises the question"what's wrong" Buyers are not interested in why she is named the way she is.
Posted 2007-07-25 4:50 PM (#64400 - in reply to #64115) Subject: RE: Nice Horse for sale, need some help!
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Posts: 1205 Location: Danielsville Georgia
I have had nice colts,nice well trained mares and geldings on Dreamhorse and Equine.com that the ad ran for a YEAR without one inquiry.Left them on there and had SOLD them many many moons before eaither on Ag Direct or LOCAL publications.I don't have a whole lot of faith in selling off Dreamhorse.Some might but I'd sure like to see referances from those two big sites. As far as backing/side passiing etc.I agree with you to a point.Most of the riders I've sold to hadn't a CLUE to proper riding and I've heard many times that the horse was OVERTRAINED.A good SAFE pretty horse is what most are looking for or at least thats the impression wife and get from the tire kickers that come through our place.
Posted 2007-07-25 8:27 PM (#64410 - in reply to #64115) Subject: RE: Nice Horse for sale, need some help!
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The problem is- there are LOTS of horses within the 1000-3000 price range- most are nice, well mannered but just not super stars, the horses that have bloodlines in demand and the overall quality to win where-ever you go. Even 4-H shows are highly competetive let alone large open or breed shows. I have two horse in my barn that I wouldn't let go for less than 7500 bucks BUT the market would tell me otherwise. There can be a big difference in what we think our horses are worth ( we are emotionally biased) and what someone else is willing to pay ( just look at auction results) To be realistic, we have to be very honest with ourselves and thats hard to do.
Posted 2007-07-25 10:38 PM (#64416 - in reply to #64310) Subject: RE: Nice Horse for sale, need some help!
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I wouldn't payany amount of $ for a reasonably trained "quarter" stock TRAIL horse when I could have a good gaited trail horse for the same amount of money and enjoy myself while riding too.
Posted 2007-07-26 1:03 PM (#64445 - in reply to #64416) Subject: RE: Nice Horse for sale, need some help!
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I wouldn't payany amount of $ for a reasonably trained "quarter" stock TRAIL horse when I could have a good gaited trail horse for the same amount of money and enjoy myself while riding too. (quote)
Where? The "good gaited trail horses" in my area are 2X what the stock types are. Are they better? Some maybe are, some not. I like both, gaited and stock. I'd buy what my wallet afforded and my mind likes. I think the OP was just asking about the market and what she needed to do to sell this mare. Guess we all have opinons.
Posted 2007-07-26 5:47 PM (#64455 - in reply to #64115) Subject: RE: Nice Horse for sale, need some help!
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If I see a well trained horse going at that price..I wonder what is wrong with it.That is cheap for a good horse in my area.I also have a horse on dream horse now and it has had 400 hits.
Posted 2007-07-26 8:03 PM (#64460 - in reply to #64445) Subject: RE: Nice Horse for sale, need some help!
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Yes I know that.And I wasn't talking to her,either.I PM'd her to let her know that.I was talking about another's post.And,it wasn't yours as I recall either.
Posted 2007-07-26 10:30 PM (#64464 - in reply to #64115) Subject: RE: Nice Horse for sale, need some help!
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Crowley: I meant no offense by my post. I know you have great gaited horses (we've PM'd), I just don't see lots of them up here. Stock types are more common, so easier to afford (supply/demand).
If I said something "off", I apologize. I meant no offense to anyone.
I also think it depends on your perspective, what I call cheap and you all cheap may be worlds apart.
Posted 2007-07-27 10:00 AM (#64482 - in reply to #64464) Subject: RE: Nice Horse for sale, need some help!
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That's OK.Guess I was just shoooting off my mouth because I saw a really ugly reply on another thread (not horses) that some people had made to this innocent well meaning person,and I'd just finished firing off about that.Didn't mean to come off like a smart alec.I do that a lot.
Horse market is down here,also.We've also got a really nice horse for sale on Dreamhorse with only about one possibly good sounding response to our ad.He is an excellent well bred blue papered (in the MFTHBA that is 4 generations back of registered sires/dams) gelding that has had professional trail training in the Missouri Ozarks,and will handle just about whatever you want to put him through on a trail.But,hay is scarce,prices down,and we may not be able to sell him.Because we're not giving him away,that's for sure.I understand this girl's dilemma,things are tough and there are a lot of horses out there.
Yeah,I've seen lots of gaited horses that sure weren't trail horses,too,and would jar your teeth out as if you were riding some quarter stock that isn't smooth.Not all quarter stock is rough riding,either.Gaited just seems to be the preference where we ride,is all I meant.Probably not the case elsewhere,but,we ride where else,in the Missouri Ozarks.So that's what we're going to see the most of there on trails.
Posted 2007-07-28 10:34 AM (#64529 - in reply to #64526) Subject: RE: Nice Horse for sale, need some help!
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I have Quarter horses and Apps and I trail ride AND I enjoy them. For me the whole point is not to race down the trail or keep up with the "crowd", but to relax with my family. Someone else wants to go fast, fine, good for them, they can go around. You wouldn't pay for a non gated horse, I wouldn't pay for a gated one. To each his own.
Posted 2007-07-29 10:29 PM (#64618 - in reply to #64115) Subject: RE: Nice Horse for sale, need some help!
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Posts: 207 Location: Illinois
Terri: I agree 100% with you. I like to "smell the roses" too. I have only had Apps/QH all my 39 years! Ok, one shetland pony in the mix too:-)
BUT, I will have to defend the gaited ones too. I'm so impressed to see gaited trail horses going along the trail. To me, the biggest thing is that you have to ask yourself "what breed is that?" When I find myself asking that question, that's a great horse, regardless of breed. What I see in gaited that impresses me is when they can walk along with my QH's and when they want to, gait off nicely!!
Love em both (stock/gaited)
A good horse is a good horse, regardless of breed.
Up in northern Illinois where Im at, they like to see how fast they can go, that turns off lots of people. Down south, they ride really nice!!!! THAT ISN'T always true, just my opinion!
Posted 2007-07-30 10:07 PM (#64710 - in reply to #64115) Subject: RE: Nice Horse for sale, need some help!
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Thanks very much for all the help! Someone saw the add and liked that she was quite, of color, and had so much TB in her. She is a pony hunter jumper trainer and wants something safe for her to ride when she takes the kids for trail rides. Something that if she had to take over one of the kids horses they would be safe to ride. She also may use her for lessons and is thinking of getting into western pleasure. She didn't want a pony but didn't want a large horse as she is very small. So it was perfect, she jumped on her bareback, rode her around in a rope halter and fell in love. Thanks again for the help. Megan
Posted 2007-08-01 7:32 PM (#64852 - in reply to #64529) Subject: RE: Nice Horse for sale, need some help!
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Originally written by Terri on 2007-07-28 10:34 AM
I have Quarter horses and Apps and I trail ride AND I enjoy them. For me the whole point is not to race down the trail or keep up with the "crowd", but to relax with my family. Someone else wants to go fast, fine, good for them, they can go around. You wouldn't pay for a non gated horse, I wouldn't pay for a gated one. To each his own.
We don't race down any trails on gaited horses.Not the gaited breeds we ride.Others riding rackers,ect.may do that,and that's the way they like to ride on trails,we don't.We relax with our friends and family when we ride,too,and we're not going full blast while we're doing it.We can just do so without getting our teeth jarred out,is all.
Posted 2007-08-01 9:36 PM (#64859 - in reply to #64852) Subject: RE: Nice Horse for sale, need some help!
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My horses don't "jar your teeth out". Well maybe my 3yr old, but I just started riding him and he sometimes gets tense under saddle. Once he starts to relax he is pretty smooth.
Posted 2007-08-01 9:53 PM (#64863 - in reply to #64859) Subject: RE: Nice Horse for sale, need some help!
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That's good.As I said in an earlier post,there are smooth riding Quarter Horses,and some Apps are gaited.And,not all gaited horses are smooth by any means.I've seen ones with top breeding in several gaited breed associations that look rough riding,and,their riders obviously aren't getting a good ride.
But we ride Missouri Foxtrotters,and most other riders that ride MFT's aren't hurrying down the trail.I do see people riding trails on racking horses,tho,that are obviously ridden in a show ring most of the time,and can't imagine why they want to rack through the woods dodging limbs and working like a fool watching every step their horses take,just to stay on them.
I've ridden Quarter myself.I just prefer gaited especially in my years of age,because I have to have a really smooth horse,and find most Quarter horse riders we have ridden with just can't keep up over a long ride.Our gaited horses naturally outwalk them at a flatfoot walk.I don't see much about gaited horses on this forum.
No offense,Terri.You and I just tell it like it is.
Posted 2007-08-01 10:01 PM (#64866 - in reply to #64863) Subject: RE: Nice Horse for sale, need some help!
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My dad's got a bad back, had to quit riding, but before he did he tried many gated/ungated breeds and finally found that mules were the easiest on his back. Who'd have thought.
The smoothest horse I've ever ridden was a paint stud that behaved like a gelding. You could hold a full cup of "liquid" and not spill a drop at a trot.