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Tips on swapping from Coastal Bermuda to Alfalfa Hay

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Spooler
Reg. Aug 2006
Posted 2007-04-30 1:21 PM (#60192)
Subject: Tips on swapping from Coastal Bermuda to Alfalfa Hay


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I have ran out of hay in my area and have found some Alfalfa hay a couple of hours away.  Any tips on swapping my horses over? I know I will have to be careful on the amount I feed but I need more infomation on do's and don'ts.

HELP!!!!

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huntseat
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2007-04-30 3:46 PM (#60199 - in reply to #60192)
Subject: RE: Tips on swapping from Coastal Bermuda to Alfalfa Hay


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I only fed one flake at a time and fed in a low hay bunk, not on the floor.  If you can transition over a two week period it would be best.  I had too much waste to make it economical for my horses, lots of stems on the floor as mine only ate the leaves.  Don't feed yellow bales...they should be dark to medium green, think well fertilized yard grass.  Not all Alfalfa is horse quality...it could really be dairy quality but sold to horse folk!

I found feeding the alfalfa pellets or cubes worked better and then I could buy as I needed, no storage issues, no waste and no fear of blister beetles or other problems.

I only fed the alfalfa to my show horses but they also ate bermuda hay to meet their roughage requirements and fill their bellies.

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Spooler
Reg. Aug 2006
Posted 2007-04-30 8:42 PM (#60206 - in reply to #60192)
Subject: RE: Tips on swapping from Coastal Bermuda to Alfalfa Hay


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The problem is alfalfa is all I kind find at this time.  Guy is a horse owner also and feeds to his own horses. Haven't seen it yet so I can't say to much about it.
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Terri
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2007-04-30 9:06 PM (#60208 - in reply to #60206)
Subject: RE: Tips on swapping from Coastal Bermuda to Alfalfa Hay



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Pretty much all they grow here is alfalfa, but one of the growers didn't want it for her horses and put in a coastal field.   You need to look at the inside of the bale because sometimes the good stuff will be yellow on the outside because of sun bleaching.  My horses will eat the leaves first then the stems, then the coastal.

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Painted Horse
Reg. May 2005
Posted 2007-04-30 10:12 PM (#60214 - in reply to #60192)
Subject: RE: Tips on swapping from Coastal Bermuda to Alfalfa Hay



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Here in the west Alfalfa is the dominate forage for livestock. Including horses. Many old timers fed nothing but alfalfa and their horses did just fine.

It's richer than grass hay and will give your horse the "runs" if you change over too quick. Like any change in feed, transition over a week or two to allow the gut bacteria to adjust.

Dairy quality alfalfa is 20-22% protien. This is very rich for a horse that has been eating grass at 10-13% protien. Alfalfa has more calories than grass. So you will need to feed less unless your trying to put weight on.  Some horses feel very cheated when they get all the calories they need in a few minutes of dinner and don't get to linger over a manager of hay. Try to find some not  dairy quality alfalfa, It's cheaper and better for the horse. Dairy quality alfalfa is cut just before the bloom. If you see dried purple blossom in the hay it's past the prime for Dairy quality and they Protien drops very quickly.  Hay in a haystack will bleach in color on the outside, But should be green inside the bale. Watch for mold and don't feed bales that have any mold in them. Also don't buy bales with any Foxtail

A horse will not use all the extra protien in alfalfa. Hence the excess is converted into Urea and pee'd off in the urine. This has two effects. First, the horse goes through more water to eliminate the waste. If not allowed to drink more, they can dehydrate. Usually not a problem with a horse standing in stall, But it's a concern to endurance racers and other long distance performance horses.  2nd the extra urine produces more amonnia vapor in a closed in stall. Which in a closed in stall can hurt lungs. Also horses that eat a diet high in Alfalfa often have a heavier lather for sweat.

Alfalfa is also very high in Calcium.  This can upset the Calcium - Phosphorus ratio in your horses system. There are many suppliments available that will boost the Phosphorus level to offest the calcium from alfalfa.

 

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huntseat
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2007-04-30 10:12 PM (#60215 - in reply to #60192)
Subject: RE: Tips on swapping from Coastal Bermuda to Alfalfa Hay


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Spooler, around here in SW OK we are already cutting grass hay and baling.  You might keep looking and find someone on their first cutting.
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hconley
Reg. Feb 2005
Posted 2007-04-30 10:44 PM (#60217 - in reply to #60192)
Subject: RE: Tips on swapping from Coastal Bermuda to Alfalfa Hay


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Check your genetics and age of your horses. HYPP horses don't need very much alfalfa, same with young horses. Always have plenty of water available when feeding alfalfa.

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Spooler
Reg. Aug 2006
Posted 2007-05-01 9:24 AM (#60238 - in reply to #60192)
Subject: RE: Tips on swapping from Coastal Bermuda to Alfalfa Hay


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Thanks for the response from everyone.  We are in a drought here in case you didn't know. I have only had .9 of an inch of rain in over 2 months. I am about 1hr 30min. North from the wildfires here in Georgia hence the drought issue.
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ponytammy
Reg. Jan 2005
Posted 2007-05-01 12:09 PM (#60248 - in reply to #60192)
Subject: RE: Tips on swapping from Coastal Bermuda to Alfalfa Hay


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Not sure if Blister Beetles are located in your area. You should call your extension office to find out. Not to scare you, but these beetles are extremely poisonous to horses and can cause death. Ask your hay source how the hay was baled. Crimper style balers can crush the bugs within the bale. If the little buggars are not in your area, then you have no worries. I live in area where they are present and have to be extra cautious on where I purchase the alfalfa hay.

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farmbabe
Reg. Nov 2003
Posted 2007-05-01 2:14 PM (#60255 - in reply to #60192)
Subject: RE: Tips on swapping from Coastal Bermuda to Alfalfa Hay


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I'd just feed smaller amounts more often during the day instead of dumping a bunch all at once. Give it a day or two and I think they will be fine.We also feed alfalfa ( 2-3 cutting) without any problems just a couple of healthy horses to show for it.
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Spooler
Reg. Aug 2006
Posted 2007-05-01 3:05 PM (#60258 - in reply to #60192)
Subject: RE: Tips on swapping from Coastal Bermuda to Alfalfa Hay


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I did know about the blister beetle issue.  Anybody have in insight on how to spot them and what they look like. I need  more knowledge before I pick it up on Saturday.

 

Never mind. I found a ton of information.

http://www.google.com/search?q=alfalfa+blister+beetles&hl=en&rls=GGLR,GGLR:2005-46,GGLR:en&start=0&sa=N



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Spooler
Reg. Aug 2006
Posted 2007-05-07 8:35 PM (#60536 - in reply to #60192)
Subject: RE: Tips on swapping from Coastal Bermuda to Alfalfa Hay


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I picked up the alfalfa hay this weekend.  It is not dairy quality.  The protein was 18% as tested. I had enough coastal hay to swap over in 2 days only. The didn't really care for it at first but they love it now. I am only feeding in very small amounts. About a 1 in. flake 2 times a day.  Never feed this stuff but have read alot in the last week. It should get me to the first cutting in my area and then some. Any more info would be great.  I have no idea if it is going to hip them up. Guess I will wait and see.
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huntseat
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2007-05-08 8:52 AM (#60554 - in reply to #60192)
Subject: RE: Tips on swapping from Coastal Bermuda to Alfalfa Hay


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It should help them burn off their winter coats.  That kind of protein boost can affect the joints of very young horses, so watch for any swelling around the base of the cannon bone.  Feeding alfalfa also helping smooth the underline of my show horses, their hay belly slimmed down if you will.
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hconley
Reg. Feb 2005
Posted 2007-05-08 11:27 PM (#60593 - in reply to #60192)
Subject: RE: Tips on swapping from Coastal Bermuda to Alfalfa Hay


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To explain "dairy quality" the dairy industry has assigned a "Relataive Feed Value" or RFV to hay. This value is based on digestability and intake potential then combined for a score. Midbloom alfafla has a score of 100. Most grass hay scores between 75-105. Hay in the 90's will most times be more than enough for horses. Hay with a score of 150 or better is to rich for horses. If you take a sample of the hay and send it in to be tested, a report will be returned with 2 columns one is "as fed" the other is "dry matter". It will list protein, ADF and NDF, TDN or DE for both columns then at the bottom it will be assigned a RFV. This is the only way to know how good/poor your alfafla is. I forgot to say Digestable Energy (DE) is a good way to calculate the cost of your feed. 

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Spooler
Reg. Aug 2006
Posted 2007-05-09 10:12 AM (#60606 - in reply to #60192)
Subject: RE: Tips on swapping from Coastal Bermuda to Alfalfa Hay


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I do have a report for that hay when it was tested. Hang on I'll get the numbers. I only had 3 numbers on the report.  The last was Nitrates<1250ppm whatever that is. What are good numbers for RFV?

RFV=18.97

CP=18.54

 

 



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hconley
Reg. Feb 2005
Posted 2007-05-09 8:47 PM (#60633 - in reply to #60192)
Subject: RE: Tips on swapping from Coastal Bermuda to Alfalfa Hay


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Wow that tells you alot, don't it. Very informative.
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Spooler
Reg. Aug 2006
Posted 2007-05-09 10:10 PM (#60637 - in reply to #60192)
Subject: RE: Tips on swapping from Coastal Bermuda to Alfalfa Hay


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Well, help me with the RFV. I have no clue on this. I am trying to learn it though.
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hconley
Reg. Feb 2005
Posted 2007-05-09 10:25 PM (#60640 - in reply to #60192)
Subject: RE: Tips on swapping from Coastal Bermuda to Alfalfa Hay


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RFV is a quality score set by the dairy industry, RFV is based on digestability and intake potential and that score is combined, Mid-bloom alfalfa has a RFV of 100. Most grass hay has a score of 75-105. Hay with a RFV in the 90's is more than enough for horses

Edited by hconley 2007-05-09 10:27 PM
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hconley
Reg. Feb 2005
Posted 2007-05-09 11:11 PM (#60642 - in reply to #60192)
Subject: RE: Tips on swapping from Coastal Bermuda to Alfalfa Hay


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Check here to see how RFV effects prices http://www.uwex.edu/ces/forage/pubs/hay_market_report.htm
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Spooler
Reg. Aug 2006
Posted 2007-05-09 11:12 PM (#60643 - in reply to #60192)
Subject: RE: Tips on swapping from Coastal Bermuda to Alfalfa Hay


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Well, I am acutally going by memory so I might have got the numbers wrong.  Sure looks like it. Dang it, I should have got a copy. Thanks for the help. The only one I know for sure is correct is the CP value. I wrote that one down. If RFV was 18 that would be terrible for sure.  Thanks for the help. I am learning. This is the only hay I could find in my area.

Edited by Spooler 2007-05-09 11:18 PM
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bluecat
Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2007-05-29 7:39 PM (#61424 - in reply to #60192)
Subject: RE: Tips on swapping from Coastal Bermuda to Alfalfa Hay


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there is a coastal bermuda hay supplier in Moultrie, ga.   avery farms.   148 avery rd.

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Spooler
Reg. Aug 2006
Posted 2007-05-31 3:44 PM (#61571 - in reply to #60192)
Subject: RE: Tips on swapping from Coastal Bermuda to Alfalfa Hay


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Thanks, that hooked me up.  I hope I can get some before they sell out........ I did give them a call.
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